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Old 16 May 2008, 23:47   #81
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Arguing with AndreasM isn't going to get us anywhere, however much we might enjoy it

Perhaps we could contact Ralph and talk to him directly. Maybe even make some kind of list of people willing to buy a copy? Maybe he will take it seriously again... probably a long shot, but we have nothing to lose right?

As I said earlier I already have the original Guru Book in English. But if the newer edition covered OS 3.x as well then I would be prepared to buy the newer edition. I'd much prefer a printed copy, but I may consider a PDF if that was the only option.
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Old 16 May 2008, 23:50   #82
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Man stop this dicussion. I think this thread should be closed. This won't lead to anything. Same happened some years back with the good old Germand Amiga Emulation Board (GAEB maybe some of you remember it.) and finally led to ist closure. So i won't say anymore to this.
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Old 17 May 2008, 01:42   #83
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what is that guru book ?
explanation of each guru code number ?
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Old 17 May 2008, 12:00   #84
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No, it is/was a general purpose programming book written by one of the better Amiga programmers, Ralph Babel, who (amongst other things) created the GURU ROM for A590/A2091 and GVP hard drives.

The GURU in the title is just a catch word.
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Old 17 May 2008, 13:38   #85
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The Guru Book

I've actually got this book in .PDF format from a torrent, quite a while back.

I thought at the time when I'd seen it, it was a reference guide to all
the Amiga's Software Failure Guru Numbers. Wasn't even aware of this project.

I downloaded it because being an ex-680xx coder, it was one of those things at the time, that were invaluable! I did used to have an in-depth copy of all the guru codes from an Amiga magazine.

As I collect and archive old Amiga related material, in the moment of excitement, I naturally saved a copy to my old Amiga Realm Project folder.

But since reading through the book, its not what I'd thought it would be anyways.

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Old 17 May 2008, 14:02   #86
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So, the book was already missing it's april deadline.

I must say causing a bit of buzz on a few forums has probably done no end to promote sales. I dare say many hadn't even heard of the book being reprinted.

It would be a touch retarded not to release the book now as it will probably sell far better than it was ever going to before the official "cancelling" of the product.
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Old 17 May 2008, 15:18   #87
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I've just created an online petition so we can show Ralph how much we still want a legitimate copy of the Amiga Guru Book in English. Please sign the petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/4m1ga123/petition.html
Thanks.
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Old 17 May 2008, 17:25   #88
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Old 17 May 2008, 17:35   #89
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If Ralph Babel were to release this himself he would sell thousands of copies. If the project went ahead in its current form and was released it would be lucky to sell 3 copies. Thank christ he discontinued the project whilst he still had a chance.

/me goes searching for the torrent
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Old 17 May 2008, 19:07   #91
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I already have the hardcopy, and it is a great book filling in parts I could not find in all my other programming books. As I am coding on OS3.x, I really need the updates provided - also there are not many programming books out there taking OS3.x into account (are there any at all?), so this would be really handy.

As many ppl have said, programmers stare at the screen for hours (even at work doing non-programming tasks) so a book is great when you need a more in depth read. Yeah online is better for searching and reference lookups, but a book is much better overall and preferred by me if you could only have either. Negates the searchability advantage of digital a bit if you know the book well enough and it has a good index.

Have signed the petition that I would pre-order. It is now up to 23 ppl.

btw, I was not going to buy the book as i already had the hard copy, until i found out there were actual updates including OS3.x instead of just bugfixes - I would not have known except for all this commotion.

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Old 17 May 2008, 19:10   #92
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This petition should probably be posted at A.org as well if it hasn't already.
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Old 17 May 2008, 23:24   #93
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Thanks to bippym and all other English Amiga Board users who have signed the petition. It's doing very well, currently showing 35 signatures, and was only created about 8 hours ago.

musashi5150, I have posted about the petition on a.org, as well as the following sites:

amigaworld.net, EAB (naturally!), aros-exec.org, morphzone.org, arosworld.org, amigans.net.

Please post about the petition on any other Amiga forums you are a member of, let's get this damn book released properly!
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Old 17 May 2008, 23:29   #94
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So, the book was already missing it's april deadline.

I must say causing a bit of buzz on a few forums has probably done no end to promote sales. I dare say many hadn't even heard of the book being reprinted.
Yeah just thought about that fact when reading your post. I did not know that the book was out for reprint either. I guess most of the people didn't.

Signed the petiton. #36
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Old 17 May 2008, 23:45   #96
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Old 17 May 2008, 23:49   #97
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Thanks Graham Humphrey and Zetr0. Currently up to 42 signatures now.

EDIT: Thanks to Thalion too. Sorry I missed reading the end of your post before.

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Posted on Amigaworld.net, a few hours ago.

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Dear Hans,

I appreciate your support, but this is not
a question of how many copies could be sold.

Let me try to provide some background:

Piracy is a fact of life in the digital age, and
current copyright law is certainly past its prime.

The new Guru Book, however, wasn't a commercial project
to begin with, and since I didn't expect to make any money
off it, I wasn't too worried about the old RTF/OCR version
(which I even mentioned on my Amiga web page). In fact, it's
been fun to dust off all of my old Amiga equipment, tools,
and documentation. (Though I have to admit that I used
Emacs and TeX on a Linux box to prepare the new edition.)

But claiming that pirates aren't customers anyhow
doesn't quite hit the nail on the head, because
this is where the line is getting blurry:

The new 300-dpi scan was prepared and disseminated not
by Joe Average Pirate with too much time on his hands.
It was a fellow Amiga enthusiast who knew exactly that
an enhanced version was being worked on. Nonetheless, he
decided to make the torrent available - just days before
the extended edition was to go to the printer -, which -
in my very humble opinion - exhibits an enormous amount
of disrespect for somebody else's creative work.

Maybe he considered free availability of the
1993 version more important than the update.

Well, so be it.

As I wanted the reprint to be of the highest possible
quality, print-on-demand was out of the question. Offset,
however, requires a certain minimum number of copies. Let's
face it: this is 2008; the audience for a book like this is
microscopic, and the new scans didn't make it any larger.

So why am I not making it available electronically?

I believe that text needs to be written not only to the
audience, but also with the target _medium_ in mind. An
article I write for my web site will look different from
one to be published in a printed magazine; the original
plain-text list of FAQs I wrote for the Usenet newsgroup
de.etc.sprache.deutsch differs markedly from my web site
http://faql.de etc.

The Guru Book was "designed" to be published on paper.

Yes, it would be nice to have an electronic edition, but
that would require a "redesign" I cannot reasonably spend
any time on. And no, I don't consider PDF adequate (which
the pirate was well aware of, by the way).

I do not depend on writing copyrighted works for a living,
but I feel that the cause of those who do (and thus society
as a whole) is best supported by me _not_ releasing the new
extended edition of the Guru Book.

The decision didn't come lightly. Please respect it - and
try to provide for an environment in which creative workers
are encouraged - and can afford - to share their work.

Sincerely

Ralph

http://babel.de

P. S.: Feel free to forward this message
to an Amiga forum of your choice.
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Old 18 May 2008, 00:15   #99
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hmmm that reads like a bit of a cleverly worded cop out to be honest.
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Indeed, Zetty. He was surely aware of the "miscrocopic" audience before he canceled it. I still think it's possible to cover all costs with 200-300 copies of this book. Of course only when you really want to do it.
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