Amiga Clone Natami - Planned For Summer 2008

[Retro-Nerd]

This project is probably the most promising Amiga clone currently. I'm in hope that they release this baby, looks like a nice Minimig killer.

http://www.natami.de/index.htm

The production of developer boards is planned for Summer 2008.

• Developer board:
• NATAMI with below specification
• Including 16 MB high performance Chipmem
• 68060 CPU (up to 90 MHz for CPU and BUS speed)
• 256 MB Fastmem

NATAMI Specification:

The Natami is no expansion card but a complete computer, compatible with Commodore AMIGA.

• GFX: SuperAGA chipset on board
  Compatible to AGA but enhancing it.
  
  
• Supported Resolutions:
  320x256 - 1280x1024
  
  
• Supported Pixelformats:
  Planar 1-8 Planes, HAM 6/8, 8bit Chunky, 16bit Hicolor, 32bit Truecolor
  
  
• Video and VGA out:
  TV resolutions on TV-connector
  Automatic "scandoubling" of low resolutions on VGA-connector
  
  
• AUDIO: SuperPaula
  From: 8bit Samples x 6 Volume
  To: 16bit Samples x 8 Volume
  
  
• SVideo-in and Audio-in:
  SuperAGA has both SVideo-in and SVideo-out with genlock support integrated
  Audio in is provided for your convience as well.
  
  
• COPPER: including original AGA copper
  
  
• BLITTER:
  Fully compatible with AGA-AMIGA
  Speed of SuperBlitter is many times faster than AMIGA AGA blitter
  
  
• 2D Enhancements:
  In Chunky/Hicolor/ or Truecolor pixel mode the Super Blitter can "cookie cut" copy bobs.
  Like the AMIGA Sprites, a "cooki cut" copy needs no blitting mask.
  This enabled the blitter to use less memory and to at double speed compared to planar blits.
  
  
• 3D Accelerator:
  Texturemapping Blitter enhancement.
  Provides Mipmapping, Subpixel 4 way interpolation, Light sources, Antialiasing
  
  
• Amiga Compatible IDE controller
  
  
• Amiga Compatible Floppy Disk controller
  
  
• PCI slots to allow later upgrading
  
  
• CPU on board
  68060 CPU on board for instant compatibility with AMIGA software
  
  
• CPU expansion slot
  Allows upgraded to another CPU (Coldfire/PowerPC/Cell/x86)
  SLOT layout will be fully documented to allow 3rd party upgrade Designs.
  

[Dizzy]

nice

Do you have a link

[Retro-Nerd]

Check again.

[Zetr0]

It would be a dream come true!

now how do i get myself on the list for one of them developer boards

[keropi]

[Dizzy]

Originally Posted by Zetr0

It would be a dream come true!

now how do i get myself on the list for one of them developer boards

try say pleazzzzzzzzzzze



funny they don't have any address you can write to, wonder if this project everwill be released, or if they got sued first

[alexh]

I am giving 10:1 odds that "it doesnt happen in 2008". Any bets?

It is a shame, it's too ambitious too soon. One guy working part time will never finish in five years let alone 1.

If it were more of a community project. But even then I dunno if that would be enough. There have been NO updates to MiniMig in 8 months. It appears no-one with any ability really cares.

[turrican3]

really great project i wish you the best.

[TheCorfiot]

Oh Pls...........Let it be True.

And not cost the Earth!!!!!!

[musashi5150]

I think I've wet myself thinking about it....

[Galahad/FLT]

Please tell me there will be more than 4 sound channels?

[kriz]

If its released I will buy it at once

[MazinKaesar]

Well, better than PPC-only projects and quite better than expensive mini A500 clones... I hope its price will not be too high :|

[Charlie]

Would be great - I wish the developer all the best (hand in pocket, fingers twitching over wallet).

Hmmm, I wonder if someone with the talent to do an updated AGA might try for a 68080 in FPGA..?

Back to reality: I'm sure alexh is correct.

[Npl]

wonder what the dedicated market is.
060 aint exactly a good performer nowadays, and I doubt a selfmade rasterizer will yield competive performance either. Dont see the point in developing new stuff on it.

Personally Id rather buy a new A1200 with modern interfaces (DVI/VGA-Upscaler, Sata, Lan, USB, a normal power connector,...).

[killergorilla]

Originally Posted by Npl

Personally Id rather buy a new A1200 with modern interfaces (DVI/VGA-Upscaler, Sata, Lan, USB, a normal power connector,...).

Agreed. Although stuff an 030 and 128mb of RAM in it for safe measure.

[girv]

Originally Posted by Npl

...a new A1200 with modern interfaces (DVI/VGA-Upscaler, Sata, Lan, USB, a normal power connector,...

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Seriously, Natami seems very ambitious for a first go at an A1200 replacement. Why all the extra SuperAGA stuff? It's cool, but surely a better way to get something (anything) finished and "out there" is to get the basics working, then add to them. Worked for MiniMig (apart from the "add" bit). Maybe its marketing as a SuperAGA board would be more competitive. I dunno.

There also seems to be a lot crammed in to what I'm assuming is an FPGA. alexh, does it seem feasible to fit all those features into one chip?

But best of luck to the Natami guys, I look forward to seeing working boards and then falling down crying when I see the price

[Motorola Inside]

Obviously it's a joke.
Not Email,not names of people,nothing to contact the author..

[kriz]

Its not, user have posted to other forums aswell... But if it will get a proper release.. Hehe we have to wait (as usual) ..

[MazinKaesar]

Originally Posted by Motorola Inside

Obviously it's a joke.
Not Email,not names of people,nothing to contact the author..

No, the prototype was exposed sometime ago at MeKa,
http://amigaweb.net/index.php?function=view_news&id=926

[Npl]

Still there are many incoherent things - why beef up the chipset with new features, AGA was already quite a mess because of register-compatibility with OCS. Its not like anyone would/should use the new features.

if you look at the prices of 68060`s you`d be better of getting a powerfull MIPS or ARM Processor for a fraction of the cost and emulate 68k. Those games/app that run on a 060 and dont care for chipsettimings shouldnt be that hard to emulate anyway - so why even bother for compatibility on hardware-level, it only pushes the price way up.

[alexh]

Originally Posted by girv

There also seems to be a lot crammed in to what I'm assuming is an FPGA. alexh, does it seem feasible to fit all those features into one chip?

Who said he has to use one FPGA?

I'll wait and see, but the more I/O you have the more expensive the FPGA.

Just count the I/O required for:

PCI-32 (72-pins)
68k (88 pins)
SDRAM (116 pins)
Floppy disk (16 pins)
IDE (33 pins)
VGA (25 pins)
2x Joystick (14 pins)
PS/2 Keyboard + Mouse (4 pins)
16-bit Audio (In and out)
Svideo in and out

At over 400 user I/O you're looking at a single FPGA where the chip costs around the $300 mark. That's not even considering routing congestion, capacity etc.

Originally Posted by Npl

if you look at the prices of 68060`s

Those are "Military" prices. End user prices are more the €80 mark. I just bought 3.

Originally Posted by Npl

you`d be better of getting a powerful MIPS or ARM Processor for a fraction of the cost and emulate 68k. Those games/app that run on a 060 and dont care for chipset timings shouldn't be that hard to emulate anyway - so why even bother for compatibility on hardware-level, it only pushes the price way up.

Because you'll never be able to "emulate 68k" at the physical level any time soon.

[Mick_AKA]

My bullshit alarm went off the clock when I looked around the Natami site.

This would be great, but it's rather suspicious.

[Retro-Nerd]

http://www.natami.net/contact.htm

[mrodfr]

hello,

yes, there are a contact page. guys must read more the site ;-)

BTW, all must pray to see this verry promising project at final stage, even if 6 months later.

gunnar at amigaworld see the project and even code a demo for the natami (see some grab on the natami site).

the question of the natami is: so promising that I think that the developper work on the project 8 hours per day and/or thomas is a verry talentuous hardware developper to have the skill to do all the work alone.

all must support and hope to see the project finished IMHO.

bye.

[Retro-Nerd]

Originally Posted by mrodfr

hello,

yes, there are a contact page. guys must read more the site ;-)

Thomas added this contact section today as it seems.

[Dizzy]

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Thomas added this contact section today as it seems.

is he a member of this board or did he just read this thread

[Paul_s]

August 2008 - 2 more weeks.

[cv643d]

LoL

[Exit]

amazing project, let it come true and reach production

[MazinKaesar]

Well if it's not a joke, we will have a new toy. If not, we will remain as today, with WinUAE

[Charlie]

Originally Posted by MazinKaesar

Well if it's not a joke, we will have a new toy. If not, we will remain as today, with WinUAE

Most philosophical.

[Zetr0]

and almost close to a HaiKu

[MazinKaesar]

I'm only managing to survive ... Anyway, I'm really a BeOS/Haiku fan

[blade002]

Gulp !!!! ..

[jrom]

Omg!

[Zetr0]

@Blade / jrom

Haiku's aren't that scairy

[MazinKaesar]

lol!!!!

Anyway, I found myself a poet!!!

[Christian]

Cool - hope this really comes out. I'd love one in a Pandora type case ....

http://openpandora.org/

actually ... I'd just love a Pandora too

[Computolio]

The prototype is utterly crazy. It basically looks like a C-One with a 68030 jammed into it.