Internal IDE for A500(and possibly 1000/2000)

coze · 28 February 2008, 16:42

Hello my dear EAB friends, once again I'm proud to present you a new project

This project was done by a finnish dude, I believe he's bluea who asked some gayle emulation questions in this thread, and the guy Alexh mentioned here.

Anyway, he's recently finished his project and announced at amiga.org. I quickly purchased one board from him and my parcel from Suomi arrived today.

I just tried it and I'm glad to say it works great

As far as I understand, the board emulates a gayle chip, so you're getting some A600 functionality for your A500. You probably need a kickstart > 37.350 for this board to work (I just tried with 3.1 and 2.04 (37.175) which naturally didn't work.). I installed a fresh 3.1 workbench and installed IDE-FIX. Then mounted a CD-Rom drive as slave and it worked just like on a A600

The only catch with this hardware is it needs to fetch some signals from the expansion slot. It's quite easy really, as signal exist side by side (pins 17 and 19 of expansion slot)

I will invite him to EAB too so we can discuss with him about other projects

An internal A500 board with 8 mb fast ram ?

Btw, this project also based on a Xilinx CPLD.

Project Page

Gotta love Finland. They gave us WinUAE, Blizkick, Linux, Lordi and now this

alexh · 28 February 2008, 16:52

Project Page

coze · 28 February 2008, 16:59

Ooops, yes, thanks for the correction

frost242 · 28 February 2008, 17:06

I've asked if it is possible to get one

I'd love to have an A500 with a HD to get some coding done some day

Btw, it costs 40 € for the board and 5 € for postage in Europe ! Quite cheap compared to ebay.

alexh · 28 February 2008, 17:07

I wish he had collaborated with Lordv and added 8Mbytes of FastRAM too

Zetr0 · 28 February 2008, 17:45

This is what i am trying to do.... but i sooo need to get some time!!!!

my hope is to engineer this IDE for a CD32

i do have a small cache of the cpld's

alexh · 28 February 2008, 17:53

If you bought one of those CD32WSI Floppy disk's from Analogic you'd have a great platform for developing one. Whip out the RTC board and plug in your own 4Mbyte RAM plus CF board

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=33303

Zetr0 · 28 February 2008, 18:02

@Alexh

indeed.... this thought has crossed my mind too....

oh the want for time and cash....

frost242 · 28 February 2008, 18:10

Zetro: I've purchase you one of such boards

Zetr0 · 28 February 2008, 18:51

LOL,

thank you

let me know how you get on developing it

remember please take lots of pictures, the need for Hardware pr0n you know

frost242 · 28 February 2008, 20:26

LOL, I'll do !

Jope · 28 February 2008, 21:56

Hmm, I almost ordered one from Mika when he announced those at the saku board, but then I realised I don't really have a machine to put it in. :-)

29 February 2008, 06:38

Hello.
I'm not the same person as Bluea, who asked about the Gayle specifics, and if you look at the post, he tells his name is Thomas.
I got the information to do the "Gayle emulation" from this russian amiga hack from Aminet: http://aminet.net/search?query=hddmem That project also adds fast ram and rom on an external PCB.

frost242 · 26 April 2008, 16:52

I've got one too ! Works great !

frost242 · 28 April 2008, 01:15

Some photos of my A500 here (french topic)

Zetr0 · 28 April 2008, 02:15

Clearly Awesome

rkauer · 28 April 2008, 07:45

Awesome!

OK, now I'm "horny". I'll make a board for me too! I have a lot of old IDE HDs surrounding. And 2 A500 and an unexpanded A2000 to start to play.

Zetr0 · 28 April 2008, 09:19

@rkauer

if you need a couple of CLPD's i have a couple i could send you for your research and testing purposes (i scored a nice load from an ebay job lot) very cheap

frost242 · 28 April 2008, 10:30

Thanks Zetro

About the CPLD's, which type are them ?

Eclipse · 28 April 2008, 12:22

This makes me want an A500 now

Zetr0 · 28 April 2008, 13:15

the CPLD's are infact

XC7336, 36-Macrocell CMOS EPLD (probably not so good for this project)

and

XCR3128XL, 128 Macrocell CPLD

Now the IDE project only uses a 72 cell CPLD, which rules out the 7336, but you could easily use the R3128XL's, on top of this you could also fit the code to have upto 8MB fast ram too...

I have a small cache of 10, if you want one for your tests / research we can sort that out for postage

heres the pdf view of the 9572 (72 macrocell CLPD) used in the IDE project

heres a pdf view of the R3128XL which could easly be implemented into this project

now, the only problem is the core voltage, although the signal lines are 5volt tollerant, you would need a small 3.3v regulator from the 5v rail to the CLPD... there very cheap and i will put up a circuit when i get some time after dinner

frost242 · 28 April 2008, 13:24

Great ! Thanks for the topo Zetro.
I would like to use some CPLD for a 4/8MB fast ram and maybe some ethernet chipset ? Well, that's a wet dream I had

turrican3 · 28 April 2008, 13:27

Really good work

rkauer · 28 April 2008, 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

@rkauer

if you need a couple of CLPD's i have a couple i could send you for your research and testing purposes (i scored a nice load from an ebay job lot) very cheap

Zetro, thanks a lot for the offer m8!

Love to grab one of those 3128 to start play in the new world of CPLDs (new to me, @ least).

You can toss one inside the box with that SCSI controller, please? PM me if you need my street address.

rkauer · 02 May 2008, 06:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

the CPLD's are infact

--snip--

now, the only problem is the core voltage, although the signal lines are 5volt tollerant, you would need a small 3.3v regulator from the 5v rail to the CLPD... there very cheap and i will put up a circuit when i get some time after dinner

I think this is not enough. Don't we need to use some schmitt-triggers in the rails to make them 5V compatible, too? Or a sort of DC-DC adapters in the rails since the IDE side maybe cannot cope with the 3.3V signals?
Opto-couplers, perhaps?

Zetr0 · 02 May 2008, 11:11

hmmmm

a good concern, i hadn't thought of that....

personally i would like to test it before lumping triggers or opto's...

i have no doubt though that the cable length would need to be shorter than normal though...

hmmm.... something to muse over my dinner break

21 May 2008, 13:24

Hi guys! i have this IDE adapter, and i have a problem, maybe anyone here can help me

i install the Ide68k and the workbench's hdtoolbox detect it fine and i can install the workbench in the hd... but when i boot from hd, waits 3 or 4 minutes

In the boot setup of kickstart 3.1 (2 buttons of mouse pressioned on reset) it shows me three units can boot and his boot priority:

DF0 - Boot priority 5 (floppy)
CC0 - Boot priority 3 (PCMCIA slot card¿?)
DH0 - Boot priority 0 (HD detected and fully funcional)

The Kickstart 3.1 was detected a "fake" PCCARD slot and assing it a bigger boot priority than the DH0, and searching the fake pcmcia slot for boot it, slows the boot of the HD...

Can be my supposes true? in that case, can be fixed by a hardware trick?

Thanks you... and excuse me for my bad english

Zetr0 · 21 May 2008, 13:49

@nandove

Hello there,

you can change the boot priority of the HD to a higher priority in the HDTools, make it higher than 5

TheCorfiot · 21 May 2008, 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

@nandove

Hello there,

you can change the boot priority of the HD to a higher priority in the HDTools, make it higher than 5

Or Set it to 4 so you can still boot from floppy if one is inserted.
Sorry Zets.

Zetr0 · 21 May 2008, 13:58

@TC

Bah!!!! floppy!!! is for errr..... floppy people

"clunk clunk, whiirr whiirr", if you know what i mean

21 May 2008, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

@TC

Bah!!!! floppy!!! is for errr..... floppy people

"clunk clunk, whiirr whiirr", if you know what i mean

Maybe this is the Enchantment... but i detect and solve this problem thanks to your indications

a little explain:

I've installed the ide68k in a A500 with this ampliation:
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/a2mb500
and for itself the 3.1 bios not detect any pcmcia, but in combination with your IDE68k, the boot bios detect a "fake pcmcia" in 3 boot order 0_o

Its very extrange, and the hdtoolbox can't change the boot priority of the partition, (¿a bug of workbench's hdtoolbox?, change it in advance options and save it... changes nothing!) but in the floppy install was a folder named prephd and there other folder named scripts(or something like that) i've edit a script to tell him how big i want the partition and what boot order i need. i did it and in the boot setup i see the change and it boots really faster.

Thanks you and i hope this info helps to anybody who can have a problem similar to me.

TjLaZer · 21 May 2008, 16:54

I would like to order one to play with! Who do I contact?

boing_1000 · 30 May 2008, 22:31

Whomever the developer is, please PM me about pricing and ordering. I must have one!

rkauer · 02 July 2008, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by nandove

Its very extrange, and the hdtoolbox can't change the boot priority of the partition, (¿a bug of workbench's hdtoolbox?, change it in advance options and save it... changes nothing!) but in the floppy install was a folder named prephd and there other folder named scripts(or something like that) i've edit a script to tell him how big i want the partition and what boot order i need. i did it and in the boot setup i see the change and it boots really faster.

The HDToolBugs have an issue (more than one, IMHO), that's certain.

To fix it, when you put a new value on advanced settings, always press enter after each new value (clicking on make changes will not change anything!

).

jimbo100 · 04 July 2008, 00:48

Are these still available?

frost242 · 04 July 2008, 08:56

Ask the author, link is provided in the first and the second post of this thread.

Chain · 04 July 2008, 11:42

there will be new batch of boards, fitted with CF connector

jurgen36 · 31 July 2008, 15:43

Sorry gents.
I have an A2000 machine and bought a Buddha Phoenix adapter from Amigakit.com.
No matter what I do the A2000 simply can not find the adapter. Trying to install the software aborts, as it can not find the Buddha adapter. I really must be getting old as I am at the end of my line.
I removed the scsi adapters and 40GB drives as I thought they might interfere. I removed the GVP8HD+ zorro plug in, no matter what I do the Buddha adapter is simply not found. I also removed the Rom switcher, just in case. The exactly same result. I tried the adapter with 32 GB CF drives, 2 GB CF drives, 1 GB IDE drives and 250 MB IDE drives, same result. The adapter simply does not exist as far as the A2000 is concerned.
SORRY I JUST NOTICED THAT I AM IN THE WRONG SECTION.
Please some real help is needed here.
Regards

rkauer · 31 July 2008, 23:15

Maybe Jope or Toni move your ask to a new thread.

But first a little advice: move the Buddha to another Zorro slot and try again.

Boot from a Workbench 2.0x (or up) floppy (with ks2.0x and up, of course), issue a command "showconfig" or start the good/old sysinfo program to see if your card is recognised by your Amiga.

jurgen36 · 31 July 2008, 23:51

Yes I hope they can move it to a new thread. I must be really getting old.

I tried to use KS 1.3, KS 2.05, Ks3.1 rom's no effect whatever. I tried all zorro slots from 1 to 8, always the same result, nothing. I used the good/old Sysinfo, but the card does not show up. However I did not try Sysinfo with the card in all slots. Will do that, maybe ........ I do hope the best as I have plenty of really big Ide hard drives lying around. I consider anything under 300 GB a medium or small drive. In my PC I use 15 x 300+ GB drives in 3 raid 5 arrays. So all my smaller drives 100 to 200 GB are waiting to be used in some other machine.

28 February 2008, 16:42	#1
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 35 Posts: 1,333	Internal IDE for A500(and possibly 1000/2000) Hello my dear EAB friends, once again I'm proud to present you a new project This project was done by a finnish dude, I believe he's bluea who asked some gayle emulation questions in this thread, and the guy Alexh mentioned here. Anyway, he's recently finished his project and announced at amiga.org. I quickly purchased one board from him and my parcel from Suomi arrived today. I just tried it and I'm glad to say it works great As far as I understand, the board emulates a gayle chip, so you're getting some A600 functionality for your A500. You probably need a kickstart > 37.350 for this board to work (I just tried with 3.1 and 2.04 (37.175) which naturally didn't work.). I installed a fresh 3.1 workbench and installed IDE-FIX. Then mounted a CD-Rom drive as slave and it worked just like on a A600 The only catch with this hardware is it needs to fetch some signals from the expansion slot. It's quite easy really, as signal exist side by side (pins 17 and 19 of expansion slot) I will invite him to EAB too so we can discuss with him about other projects An internal A500 board with 8 mb fast ram ? Btw, this project also based on a Xilinx CPLD. Project Page Gotta love Finland. They gave us WinUAE, Blizkick, Linux, Lordi and now this Last edited by coze; 28 February 2008 at 16:59.

28 February 2008, 16:52	#2
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,517	Project Page __________________ Thalion Webshrine

28 February 2008, 17:07	#5
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,517	I wish he had collaborated with Lordv and added 8Mbytes of FastRAM too __________________ Thalion Webshrine

28 February 2008, 17:53	#7
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,517	If you bought one of those CD32WSI Floppy disk's from Analogic you'd have a great platform for developing one. Whip out the RTC board and plug in your own 4Mbyte RAM plus CF board http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=33303 __________________ Thalion Webshrine

28 April 2008, 07:45	#17
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 47 Posts: 3,477	Awesome! OK, now I'm "horny". I'll make a board for me too! I have a lot of old IDE HDs surrounding. And 2 A500 and an unexpanded A2000 to start to play. __________________ Amigan since 1989 Known drunk since 1982 (don't know quite well, I was drunk) 13 Amigas at home Finally a Z3 one! I'll stick with 'Cachaça do Inter' for this week: Chivas gives headaches! :D

28 February 2008, 16:59	#3
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 35 Posts: 1,333	Ooops, yes, thanks for the correction

28 February 2008, 17:06	#4
frost242 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Noisy-Le-Grand / France Age: 33 Posts: 88	I've asked if it is possible to get one I'd love to have an A500 with a HD to get some coding done some day Btw, it costs 40 € for the board and 5 € for postage in Europe ! Quite cheap compared to ebay.

28 February 2008, 17:45	#6
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	This is what i am trying to do.... but i sooo need to get some time!!!! my hope is to engineer this IDE for a CD32 i do have a small cache of the cpld's

28 February 2008, 18:02	#8
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	@Alexh indeed.... this thought has crossed my mind too.... oh the want for time and cash....

28 February 2008, 18:10	#9
frost242 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Noisy-Le-Grand / France Age: 33 Posts: 88	Zetro: I've purchase you one of such boards

28 February 2008, 18:51	#10
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	LOL, thank you let me know how you get on developing it remember please take lots of pictures, the need for Hardware pr0n you know

28 February 2008, 20:26	#11
frost242 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Noisy-Le-Grand / France Age: 33 Posts: 88	LOL, I'll do !

28 February 2008, 21:56	#12
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 32 Posts: 4,061	Hmm, I almost ordered one from Mika when he announced those at the saku board, but then I realised I don't really have a machine to put it in. :-)

29 February 2008, 06:38	#13
mrmkl Posts: n/a	Hello. I'm not the same person as Bluea, who asked about the Gayle specifics, and if you look at the post, he tells his name is Thomas. I got the information to do the "Gayle emulation" from this russian amiga hack from Aminet: http://aminet.net/search?query=hddmem That project also adds fast ram and rom on an external PCB.

26 April 2008, 16:52	#14
frost242 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Noisy-Le-Grand / France Age: 33 Posts: 88	I've got one too ! Works great !

28 April 2008, 01:15	#15
frost242 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Noisy-Le-Grand / France Age: 33 Posts: 88	Some photos of my A500 here (french topic)

28 April 2008, 02:15	#16
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	Clearly Awesome

28 April 2008, 09:19	#18
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	@rkauer if you need a couple of CLPD's i have a couple i could send you for your research and testing purposes (i scored a nice load from an ebay job lot) very cheap

28 April 2008, 10:30	#19
frost242 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Noisy-Le-Grand / France Age: 33 Posts: 88	Thanks Zetro About the CPLD's, which type are them ?

28 April 2008, 12:22	#20
Eclipse Turpentine Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 739	This makes me want an A500 now

28 April 2008, 13:15	#21
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	the CPLD's are infact XC7336, 36-Macrocell CMOS EPLD (probably not so good for this project) and XCR3128XL, 128 Macrocell CPLD Now the IDE project only uses a 72 cell CPLD, which rules out the 7336, but you could easily use the R3128XL's, on top of this you could also fit the code to have upto 8MB fast ram too... I have a small cache of 10, if you want one for your tests / research we can sort that out for postage heres the pdf view of the 9572 (72 macrocell CLPD) used in the IDE project heres a pdf view of the R3128XL which could easly be implemented into this project now, the only problem is the core voltage, although the signal lines are 5volt tollerant, you would need a small 3.3v regulator from the 5v rail to the CLPD... there very cheap and i will put up a circuit when i get some time after dinner

28 April 2008, 13:24	#22
frost242 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Noisy-Le-Grand / France Age: 33 Posts: 88	Great ! Thanks for the topo Zetro. I would like to use some CPLD for a 4/8MB fast ram and maybe some ethernet chipset ? Well, that's a wet dream I had

28 April 2008, 13:27	#23
turrican3 the amiga will never die! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 37 Posts: 1,967	Really good work __________________ AMIGA : the biggest near death experience !

02 May 2008, 11:11	#26
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	hmmmm a good concern, i hadn't thought of that.... personally i would like to test it before lumping triggers or opto's... i have no doubt though that the cable length would need to be shorter than normal though... hmmm.... something to muse over my dinner break

21 May 2008, 13:24	#27
nandove Posts: n/a	Hi guys! i have this IDE adapter, and i have a problem, maybe anyone here can help me i install the Ide68k and the workbench's hdtoolbox detect it fine and i can install the workbench in the hd... but when i boot from hd, waits 3 or 4 minutes In the boot setup of kickstart 3.1 (2 buttons of mouse pressioned on reset) it shows me three units can boot and his boot priority: DF0 - Boot priority 5 (floppy) CC0 - Boot priority 3 (PCMCIA slot card¿?) DH0 - Boot priority 0 (HD detected and fully funcional) The Kickstart 3.1 was detected a "fake" PCCARD slot and assing it a bigger boot priority than the DH0, and searching the fake pcmcia slot for boot it, slows the boot of the HD... Can be my supposes true? in that case, can be fixed by a hardware trick? Thanks you... and excuse me for my bad english

21 May 2008, 13:49	#28
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	@nandove Hello there, you can change the boot priority of the HD to a higher priority in the HDTools, make it higher than 5 __________________ Luscious Linkie Time:- www.AmiBay.com Old Skooler

21 May 2008, 13:58	#30
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	@TC Bah!!!! floppy!!! is for errr..... floppy people "clunk clunk, whiirr whiirr", if you know what i mean __________________ Luscious Linkie Time:- www.AmiBay.com Old Skooler

21 May 2008, 16:54	#32
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 41 Posts: 619	I would like to order one to play with! Who do I contact?

30 May 2008, 22:31	#33
boing_1000 A1000 Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Eastern USA Age: 26 Posts: 556	Whomever the developer is, please PM me about pricing and ordering. I must have one!

04 July 2008, 00:48	#35
jimbo100 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Western Australia Age: 44 Posts: 225	Are these still available?

04 July 2008, 08:56	#36
frost242 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Noisy-Le-Grand / France Age: 33 Posts: 88	Ask the author, link is provided in the first and the second post of this thread.

04 July 2008, 11:42	#37
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 39 Posts: 1,490	there will be new batch of boards, fitted with CF connector

31 July 2008, 15:43	#38
jurgen36 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Perth Australia Posts: 41	How to fit a Buddha Phoenix adapter in an A2000 Sorry gents. I have an A2000 machine and bought a Buddha Phoenix adapter from Amigakit.com. No matter what I do the A2000 simply can not find the adapter. Trying to install the software aborts, as it can not find the Buddha adapter. I really must be getting old as I am at the end of my line. I removed the scsi adapters and 40GB drives as I thought they might interfere. I removed the GVP8HD+ zorro plug in, no matter what I do the Buddha adapter is simply not found. I also removed the Rom switcher, just in case. The exactly same result. I tried the adapter with 32 GB CF drives, 2 GB CF drives, 1 GB IDE drives and 250 MB IDE drives, same result. The adapter simply does not exist as far as the A2000 is concerned. SORRY I JUST NOTICED THAT I AM IN THE WRONG SECTION. Please some real help is needed here. Regards

31 July 2008, 23:15	#39
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 47 Posts: 3,477	Maybe Jope or Toni move your ask to a new thread. But first a little advice: move the Buddha to another Zorro slot and try again. Boot from a Workbench 2.0x (or up) floppy (with ks2.0x and up, of course), issue a command "showconfig" or start the good/old sysinfo program to see if your card is recognised by your Amiga. __________________ Amigan since 1989 Known drunk since 1982 (don't know quite well, I was drunk) 13 Amigas at home Finally a Z3 one! I'll stick with 'Cachaça do Inter' for this week: Chivas gives headaches! :D

31 July 2008, 23:51	#40
jurgen36 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Perth Australia Posts: 41	Yes I hope they can move it to a new thread. I must be really getting old. I tried to use KS 1.3, KS 2.05, Ks3.1 rom's no effect whatever. I tried all zorro slots from 1 to 8, always the same result, nothing. I used the good/old Sysinfo, but the card does not show up. However I did not try Sysinfo with the card in all slots. Will do that, maybe ........ I do hope the best as I have plenty of really big Ide hard drives lying around. I consider anything under 300 GB a medium or small drive. In my PC I use 15 x 300+ GB drives in 3 raid 5 arrays. So all my smaller drives 100 to 200 GB are waiting to be used in some other machine.