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Old 19 January 2008, 20:08   #1
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BoXeR

The 'original' chipset reimplementation...

There must be at least three chipset projects on the go these days.
Why?
I guess because this famous piece of Amiga vaporware never got to market...
...I guess we all saw the photos in the Amiga-mags. Does anyone know how far Mick Tinker actually got with this project?

The reason I ask is mostly curiosity but I can't help feeling there must be a lot of wheel reinventing going on. (x3) Never mind the current projects haven't even approached the subject of what to plug these 'new' chips into.
(apologies minimig)

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Old 19 January 2008, 21:08   #2
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Each project seems to differ a little in their aim.
From what I seem to remember from reading... (have to do some reading up to get up-to-date)
(I think all these projects were demonstrated to be real)

Minimig wanted to just emulate the A500 in how it functions and in timing (want to be as fast, not faster than the original). It's an opensource project and there are allready people building them.

A-clone wants to emulate the seperate (custom) chips so they can make drop-in replacements for each chip (100% same working and timing). Also it's a commercial project.

Then there's one which focusses on having an a fast as possible Amiga clone with AGA support.
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A-clone is about making an A500 in a joystick to sell at super-markets.
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Old 21 January 2008, 20:05   #4
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I would love to buy an A500 in a joystick from a super-market, then mod the hell out of it.

The BoXeR, on paper, was the superior of the machines, and was actually completed and running with enhanced AGA and heaps of improvements over the origonal Amiga design. What a shame it disappeared, the plans and blueprints could have been a big help to the Minimig and CloneA people.
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Old 21 January 2008, 20:29   #5
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The BoXeR [snip] was actually completed and running with enhanced AGA and heaps of improvements over the origonal Amiga design.
I think you just made this up.

I dont think it was ever completed and I dont think anyone except the author ever saw it running.
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I think that is true, there was a three page special in Amiga Format about the BoxeR and I dont remember the writer seeing the motherboard run.

I actually think Clone A will be much better than BoxeR since they are aiming for 100% clone. Then again it seems it is not going to be more than an A500 clone, but then again what do I know? At least a Zorro slot pinout and a CPU slot pinout would be nice to have on the Clone A
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Sorry, I assumed it was a working prototype that was displayed . I read about it here - http://www.amigau.com/aig/boxer.html

Strange how Mick Tinker suddenly just gave up on the project.

I really hope the Clone A and Minimig do well, I'd love to get both. I think their development would have been greatly enhanced if they had all the BoXeR research to use with their designs though, rather than starting from scratch.
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I dont think he JUST gave up.

I saw prototype ISA boards (probably just mock ups) at the 1998 WoA show in London. Along with the "inside out" PCI Amiga he was working on. The original designs used the Amiga chipset from CSG but they had just closed and stopped manufacturing them.

He also designed the WSICD32f (the CD32 floppy disk interface) currently being sold by Analogic on ebay.

By 2001, everyone from the Amiga professional community was dead or dying. Even Amiga format had come to an end.

BoXer had eaten a big hole in his pocket, probably didn't work well enough for release.

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I think their development would have been greatly enhanced if they had all the BoXeR research to use with their designs though, rather than starting from scratch.
Possibly, but you are assuming that they actually made anything to put in the FPGA's. You have to consider the FPGA's on the boxer board were 1/10th (if not less) the size of the MiniMig FPGA, and even though he had two of them, they had far more to do than the MiniMig one. That might have been the stumbling block, the damn thing just wouldnt fit.

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