Amiga, Linux & Windows

you might want to give simply mepis a try for a pretty painless and usefull install of linux. It's a free download, (liveCD with installer) and comes with a good deal of usefull sofware. I have a server and a laptop running it, and have no complaints. I still prefer the amigaOS [real or emulated] to any other.
I also have to use XP and Vista daily. I think that linux is much better than windows and that Open Office is very close to MS Office.

[Pyromania]

Your right reloader12, we run Linux here on a few machines and it is progressing well.

[Fred the Fop]

Originally Posted by DDNI

Fred you are right of course, but we dont give a shite, we are blinkered retro looking Amiga fan boys!!

Your first girlfriend may well be a crumbly 55 year old 300lb granny of 4, but hey dont you still have "da memories"?

My first gf is now under 35 years of age.

Anyway, my point i that there is definitely ludditism amoung some Amiga fans. Nothing wrong with still using it, but not as a main computer. That is just sad.

[blade002]

Originally Posted by Fred the Duck

My first gf is now under 35 years of age.

Anyway, my point i that there is definitely ludditism amoung some Amiga fans. Nothing wrong with still using it, but not as a main computer. That is just sad.

Whats really sad is conformity. Do what everyone else does, just because everyone else thinks you should, but not doing what you feel just because you listened, life is too short trying to keep others happy. ( But yes, there is some truth to what you say, so what am i really trying to say ? .. lol )

Retro 80's mullet haircuts are now fashionable, so if you really want to look at sad, thats where it is.

[woody.cool]

Amiga OS (a.k.a. Amiga Workbench) really does kick Windows/Linux/MacOS's ass. Amiga OS is blindingly quick on very limited hardware, where as Windows is sh!t slow on decent hardware (depends on version). Linux is far too complex for most home users (although I'm a dab hand at Linux - I work in IT so I should be) and Mac OS is just a customised Linux made specifically for Apple's funky looking machines.

Long live AmigaOS - I find AmigaOS's capabilities fine for my day to day activities.

[Thorham]

All the operating systems are bad, even AmigaOs is getting really old. It's time for something new (and do it on 68k Amiga first!).

Linux is still good for browsing the web though (few viruses). Keeps your xp installation nice and safe.

And can we at least have fast software? Bad os' are more then enough suffering to endure.


And happy Amiga using!

[Methanoid]

[quote=Thorham;362078]All the operating systems are bad, even AmigaOs is getting really old. It's time for something new (and do it on 68k Amiga first!)./QUOTE]

Pity that Austex Softwares Nueron hasnt materialised. That could have been a Coldfire Amiga-a-like.

Although I use Winblows I would like something non-Wintel to use.... (and no not a Mac!)

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by Fred the Duck

You know, this "amiga advantage" shit is about as useful as arguing:

"Hey, all you had to do was hand crank those model T's.
They had great reliabilty, and man were they cheap. Nowadays, these computer chipped, airflow valve turbo fuel injection blah blah blah could use a rumble seat blah blah..."

Yeah, so what?

What can I say... model T's??? Amigas are not model T's. The first computers were more like those... Also, on pcs, a lot of software is just shit and shit slow. If I have large text files, such as edict, witch is almost 7mb, then I won't even bother with pc software, and boot up my......wait for it..... AMIGA. I don't know how it's possible, but my 30 at 50 mhz annihilates my 550 mhz p3 when it comes down to text editing (this is so bad, I haven't even tried to get any editors for windows, so I use PSPad....)

How can you make software witch is so slow, that equivalent software on a computer that is a 100 times slower is not JUST faster, but much, much, much faster? This sort of thing is insane!

So long live Amiga!

[eLowar]

Originally Posted by Thorham

Also, on pcs, a lot of software is just shit and shit slow. If I have large text files, such as edict, witch is almost 7mb, then I won't even bother with pc software, and boot up my......wait for it..... AMIGA. I don't know how it's possible, but my 30 at 50 mhz annihilates my 550 mhz p3 when it comes down to text editing (this is so bad, I haven't even tried to get any editors for windows, so I use PSPad....)

How can you make software witch is so slow, that equivalent software on a computer that is a 100 times slower is not JUST faster, but much, much, much faster? This sort of thing is insane!

So long live Amiga!

So, I loaded edict (I assume that's the one you were talking about) onto my Windows PC and opened the file with Notepad++, it took less than a second to load and then editing was nice and speedy (that also works with much bigger files, but yeah). Now admittedly my PC is a 2.6 GHz P4, so I loaded the file onto my little AMD K6-300 (300 MHz) NetBSD server with 32 MB RAM and opened the file first with nano, which took about 3 seconds to load -- and editing was nice and fast -- and then with vi which took a little longer to load but with which editing was even faster.

And any decent Windows editor could've done that too (I've had Windows 98 on the same computer before -- long ago -- and yes I have edited multi-megabyte files with it).

So, meh!

[P-J]

Originally Posted by woody.cool

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion which I've explained in my post - it's a personal preference!

No, you're a retard because your post is full of utter shit.

Let's investigate :

Originally Posted by woody.cool

Amiga OS (a.k.a. Amiga Workbench) really does kick Windows/Linux/MacOS's ass. Amiga OS is blindingly quick on very limited hardware, where as Windows is sh!t slow on decent hardware (depends on version).

Null argument. You've used speed as the benchmark of OS quality for the sake of your own argument. Bzzzt. You suck. Also, this is not opinion, you are trying to state a fact. If you don't believe me you should learn how the English language works. If you simply add 'I think' or 'In my opinion' at the start of your sentence, you might not attract so much hate. Little things, little things...

Then you say...

Originally Posted by woody.cool

although I'm a dab hand at Linux - I work in IT so I should be

...shortly followed by...

Originally Posted by woody.cool

and Mac OS is just a customised Linux made specifically for Apple's funky looking machines.

...which just made me feel sorry for your employer. Oh well, they'll get rid of you one day! Apple is a customised version of Linux? At least most of the trolls in this thread have some knowledge of what they speak!

[Doc Mindie]

Personal opinion:

I enjoy working with the AmigaOS. Give me an Amiga with DOpus4, and I'm a happy bunny. Windows..... I use it, but mostly because I play World of Warcraft, and since my accelerator died, I can't use the Amiga for much of what I feel forced to use the PC for. And let's face it, even though the Windows software gives you the creeps in how slow it is (even on decently speedy computer otherwise) there ARE things that are now far surpassed the Amiga side. Firefox and Opera, for browsers. OpenOffice vs Finalwriter/Wordworth. mIRC vs AmIRC... uhm, no I retract that last one, AmIRC STILL kicks arse

[Minuous]

Yes, there are things you can't do on an Amiga, but that is just because the AmigaOS version of the software has not been written and/or because the hardware that AmigaOS is being run on is underpowered for the task. Neither of these is a problem with AmigaOS itself.

Clearly OS3.9 is the best operating system when compared against Windoze, Linux, etc. if it is run on comparably spec'd hardware and running programs for which native AmigaOS versions are available.

[P-J]

Originally Posted by Minuous

Clearly OS3.9 is the best operating system when compared against Windoze, Linux, etc. if it is run on comparably spec'd hardware and running programs for which native AmigaOS versions are available.

Well, praise be! Thank the lord!

I thought this thread would go on forever, but Minuous has settled it once and for all. There is no doubting the fact now that AmigaOS is better than Windoze [sic], Linux and so on since he has said so. No need for facts, since you can't prove it. Thus it's perfect.

Had he not posted, the world might have come to an end. Praise be!

[Doc Mindie]

P-J, if you care to read his post:

What kind of hardware would be a PC EQUIVALENT of the most powerful real Amiga? If we choose to not consider the PPC, but go with an 060-75MHz, then I'ld say you need a PC with AT LEAST a P-133 to be able to do things faster, BUT you can't use WinXP, you'll have to resort to Win3.11 or Win95. If you insist on using WinXP, then you'll need at least P3-900 and loads of RAM, to run the OS at suficient speeds for comfort.

At least, THAT is what _I_ made of Minuous' post. Because he said "comparably specced hardware" not "the best hardware possible, finely tuned and optimized"

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by eLowar

And any decent Windows editor could've done that too

Right, If you really read my reply, you'll know that's my problem, getting hold of decent editors, witch are fast on any machine, under winxp.
Also, PSPad loads relatively fast, but then search and replace is a huge pig...
What I mean is: CygnusEd is always very fast on amigas.

Next time, just write down a list of good, fast editors, thank you very much.

[P-J]

Originally Posted by Doc Mindie

P-J, if you care to read his post:

I did. He basically said the few things that AmigaOS can do well it does better than Windows, Linux and so on.

That's not true first of all.

Then he said that OS3.9 is categorically better than Windows on deprecated, useless and now overpriced hardware.

Which might be true (I don't know) but is pointless.

(P.S. Care to prove your theory that you need a 133MHz PC to outstrip a 75MHz Amiga? If not, then, well, 'blah'.)

[killergorilla]

Well I use Ultra-Edit, I find it fast, feature-rich and awesome.

I use it to write all my AmigaE code, then compile it within WinUAE.

I don't write the code in WinUAE because I find it a pain in the arse

[Doc Mindie]

Originally Posted by P-J

(P.S. Care to prove your theory that you need a 133MHz PC to outstrip a 75MHz Amiga? If not, then, well, 'blah'.)

Sure.

I'll do my usual business..... My A500, running at 7MHz, ompletely left my brothers 386/25 (with 8MB memory) in the dust.

My A1200 running at 50MHz (with the help of a 030/50 accelerator) left his 486 DX2-66 in the dust.

I've never had an 060 myself, but judging from these two, and the fact that the CPU is doing all the work on the PC, while the Amiga leaves quite alot to it's custom chips, leaves me to believe a P133 should be needed to have a realatively similar performance to an 060/75. This, however, does not take into account that there are programs that uses the CPU only (lha, for example) which of course benefitts from the faster CPU.

But overall... I found PaintShopPro 4 to be a pain to use on a P133 running Win95, for example... the computer was simply too slow.

[P-J]

I said 'care to prove it', not 'care to post some anecdotal evidence'. I feel I was quite clear on that point. Oh well.

My C64 is faster than your Amiga, because my brother said so.

[eLowar]

Originally Posted by Doc Mindie

But overall... I found PaintShopPro 4 to be a pain to use on a P133 running Win95, for example... the computer was simply too slow.

So... how well does PSP4 run on an Amiga then?

[Minuous]

Originally Posted by P-J

On what grounds?

On many grounds. Efficiency/minimal system requirements, user-friendliness, configurability, well thought out design, best API, compatibility with previous versions of itself, etc. I would have thought these advantages were already self-evident to the Amiga community.

Then he said that OS3.9 is categorically better than Windows on deprecated, useless and now overpriced hardware.

Not quite, I said it is better on comparably specified hardware. On comparably specified hardware AmigaOS outperforms Windows, this is true regardless of whether you are talking about modern hardware or older hardware.

[P-J]

So totally subjective grounds then?

Right, now I understand why this thread is going nowhere.

[Charlie]

Ooooo, I can feel the luv.

[Charlie]

Charlie says:
'Miaw, miaw, meaw, miaw, brroaw, moaw...'

roughly translated:

Quote:
Originally Posted by oneshotdead
Whoah, and I thought I was filled with hate!

You guys take the cake. This guy must be a real dickhead to arose such sentiments...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie
Ahhh - One of the things I like about the EAB is its 'relationship' with Big ( A_Hole ) Bill!

EAB members are generally v. civilised to each other, but just when you feel the need to give someone a damn good flaming up he pops with another load of poop!

I think he provides this corner of the Amiga community with a valuable service in being the target of all our pent-up bile.

Keep it up Bill!

You'll need to be from the UK & as old as me for the above to make complete sence.

[rsn8887]

Originally Posted by Doc Mindie

Personal opinion:
(...)
mIRC vs AmIRC... uhm, no I retract that last one, AmIRC STILL kicks arse

I agree, how come that after all these years STILL nothing comes close?


Btw: What about MUI? Is there _any_ equivalent to MUI on non-Amiga OS - I mean
super-detailed and easy customizability of user interface without any hacks?

Concerning the list of Amiga OS advantages, has anybody found a way to make windows _not_ move to the front on single click in non-Amiga OS? It really pisses me off to no end. What's the use of windows if the one you work with is always forced to the front?
This is the most retarded thing I noticed once I switched away from Workbench, and it is default behaviour in any other OS...

[spiff]

nevermind

[P-J]

Originally Posted by rsn8887

I agree, how come that after all these years STILL nothing comes close?

How many IRC clients have you tried? Most of the ones I've used are just as good as AmIRC if not better.

Originally Posted by rsn8887

What's the use of windows if the one you work with is always forced to the front?

To keep information from different tasks and programs separate, same as on an Amiga.

[eLowar]

Originally Posted by rsn8887

This is the most retarded thing I noticed once I switched away from Workbench, and it is default behaviour in any other OS...

No, it's not. A lot of X window managers have the keyboard focus follow the mouse cursor automatically (that's in fact the classic behavior of the X Window System), which does not auto-raise windows necessarily. And yes, single click does still raise the window, but I don't see how that would matter if you can get keyboard focus without raising.

You can get the same behavior on MS Windows with the Tweak UI Power Toy. Just enable Mouse | X-Mouse | [x] Activation follows mouse (X-Mouse) and disable [ ] Autoraise when activating (you can also set a delay). I believe you can also do it by manually editing the registry, but Tweak UI is more comfortable.

[killergorilla]

I am so impressed.

[killergorilla]

Who are you talking to?

[Paul_s]

Workbench 1.3 is more technically advanced than Vista imo... no bloatware and cool speach synthesis with notepad....

Loads quicker from floppy than Vista on a HDD

[P-J]

Originally Posted by Paul_s

Workbench 1.3 is more technically advanced than Vista imo... no bloatware and cool speach synthesis with notepad....

Loads quicker from floppy than Vista on a HDD

I'm glad you put a smiley face otherwise I might have taken you seriously for second

[woody.cool]

Originally Posted by P-J

I'm glad you put a smiley face otherwise I might have taken you seriously for second

Like you do with everyone else

[Paul_s]

tbh if I could get an Amiga setup for net access that would make me happy tbh.. it's all I use my PC for... But then again it would be more expensive to do that which is the reason I use XP at home....

OS wise the Amiga is nice to use in a 'hobby' kind of way but the Amiga was always about the games for me

[woody.cool]

Originally Posted by Paul_s

tbh if I could get an Amiga setup for net access that would make me happy tbh.. it's all I use my PC for... But then again it would be more expensive to do that which is the reason I use XP at home....

OS wise the Amiga is nice to use in a 'hobby' kind of way but the Amiga was always about the games for me

Well, I am an Amiga hobbiest, hence why I love AmigaOS and think it's superb - for work related activities (so when I'm not at home) I use what's available to me - usually Windows XP or Linux .

For day-to-day activities at home I tend to use AmigaOS - I can browse my fav internet pages, receive email, listen to MP3s and play games - what more do you need!

b.t.w. I've put 'at home' in bold as to clear up what is meant to other forum members who don't understand what they read!

[P-J]

Originally Posted by Paul_s

tbh if I could get an Amiga setup for net access that would make me happy tbh.. it's all I use my PC for... But then again it would be more expensive to do that which is the reason I use XP at home....

Fair comment, I think you'd get a bit racked off with not being able to do quite a few things with it though (quite quickly too!).

[Paul_s]

Originally Posted by P-J

Fair comment, I think you'd get a bit racked off with not being able to do quite a few things with it though (quite quickly too!).

Yea I probably would. I get XP/Office for free from work anyway so I can't really argue...

Amiga hardware is generally really expensive if you want something powerful.... and XP/hardware is pretty cheap/reliable nowadays...

The Amiga to me though has a soul whereas the PC is without... kinda odd to try and describe... nostaliga meets Amiga in bed?

[P-J]

Originally Posted by Paul_s

The Amiga to me though has a soul whereas the PC is without... kinda odd to try and describe... nostaliga meets Amiga in bed?

You're the first person I've seen to really try to describe it

I totally get what you mean, but it's all related to your 'relationship' with the Amiga. Eventually you might just kind of just 'move on', depends really.

I used to be the same until about 2000 or so.

[Graham Humphrey]

EDIT: Never mind...

[rsn8887]

Originally Posted by eLowar

You can get the same behavior on MS Windows with the Tweak UI Power Toy. Just enable Mouse | X-Mouse | [x] Activation follows mouse (X-Mouse) and disable [ ] Autoraise when activating (you can also set a delay). I believe you can also do it by manually editing the registry, but Tweak UI is more comfortable.

Kinda nice... I remember now...
well, but what about getting the Amiga behaviour then?
I mean window activation on single click, but no window-to-front on single click? Maybe I didn't try hard enough, but it seems that is not even possible in X Windows... wtf?