FIXED: Devious Designs (problem resolved!)

Shoonay · 07 June 2007, 10:21

Just tried Devious Designs on a real A1200 blizz030/32mb with the newest WHDLoad and about 6 previous, and it exits with an error message...

KG? could you please check?...

killergorilla · 07 June 2007, 10:34

Yeah I'll see if I can this weekend. I've not touched any whdload stuff since I returned from my holiday (which is also why the May pack hasn't materialised yet!)

I should get a chance to sit down at the computer on saturday and sunday.

What error do you get? Oh and when does the error appear?

Shoonay · 07 June 2007, 10:42

Aaah, skip it, nocache nommu fixes the problem, sorry for the trouble thanks for the care

killergorilla · 07 June 2007, 11:04

Ah magic

Codetapper · 07 June 2007, 13:31

Just to clarify, Devious Designs does not need NoMMU or NoCache. The slave was updated a year ago which fixed the WHDLoad 16.6 compatibility problem.

Everyone reporting bugs please make sure you are using the latest slaves!

killergorilla · 07 June 2007, 13:39

Aye, too true.

People should be using the versions from my packs anyway as this is what this thread (which needs a bit of updating) is about!

Unless you are using the packs from my site (or whdownload) then please do not post your errors here!

Shoonay · 07 June 2007, 13:45

Yes, I am using the latest slave, the latest WHDLoad and yes, KG who just posted below, the version from your pack :]...

The error sais:

Quote:

Exception "Access Fault" ($B008)
PC = $EA2C
Word Write to $103813DA

---=== EDITED ===---
Found what's wrong:
I had the MMU set in the WHDLoad.prefs file, just tagged it ";" againg, and the game works with the usual whdload *.slave preload

So even when the MMU is set on it's not working, by disabling it with the nommu command it works. Check!

killergorilla · 07 June 2007, 14:00

You tried the version from my pack?

Codetapper · 07 June 2007, 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

Yes, I am using the latest slave, the latest WHDLoad and yes, KG who just posted below, the version from your pack :]...

I had the MMU set in the WHDLoad.prefs file, just tagged it ";" againg, and the game works with the usual whdload *.slave preload

So even when the MMU is set on it's not working, by disabling it with the nommu command it works. Check!

OK that's not the standard control error that most of the bugs in this thread are - so the slave has an access fault on your config (writing to memory it shouldn't be) and needs to be fixed.

However, I just played the game now on my Amiga and I didn't get that error so the team will need more information about how to replicate it, when it occurs etc to have any hope of it being fixed! (Assuming it's not an emulator problem)

Shoonay · 07 June 2007, 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codetapper

Assuming it's not an emulator problem

Nope, a real A1200 Blizz 030/50MHz/32MB here, on a ClassicWB with a few extra patches (FBlit, *NOT* MCP). Since it's just me with that error, and it's kind of easly fixed (for good? - tried 11 levels and worked), I've not wanted to couse some unnecessary work.

killergorilla · 09 August 2007, 12:56

Shoonay, did that fix the error completely for you?

Want to know if this has been put to rest or not

Shoonay · 09 August 2007, 14:08

Well, yes... kinda...
Just tested it with the newest beta WHDLoad - acts like with the older one.
Assuming that I don't use the mmu (or disable it with the nommu command) the game works great.

killergorilla · 09 August 2007, 14:17

Fair enough!

I've personally never had MMU set although I have a 68030, and I've never had any problems without it.

I see the documentation recommends you set it. How strange. I'll take a look at setting it in my prefs file

Retro-Nerd · 09 August 2007, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

Well, yes... kinda...
Just tested it with the newest beta WHDLoad - acts like with the older one.
Assuming that I don't use the mmu (or disable it with the nommu command) the game works great.

Crashes with an "Access Fault" here too, with MMU enabled. I've disabled the MMU in the whdload.prefs. You should try it too, Shoonay. You had similar problems with other games, IIRC.

killergorilla · 09 August 2007, 17:06

030 has mmu disabled by default anyway so you don't need to have nommu set in the prefs

Anyway, this problem is solved really, just make sure you don't have MMU set for it. Another one bites the dust.

Retro-Nerd · 09 August 2007, 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

030 has mmu disabled by default anyway so you don't need to have nommu set in the prefs

You are right, of course. Just forgot it again. Yes, this game runs flawless.

Shoonay · 09 August 2007, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Crashes with an "Access Fault" here too, with MMU enabled. I've disabled the MMU in the whdload.prefs. You should try it too, Shoonay. You had similar problems with other games, IIRC.

It's not that I can't live without MMU, even if enabled doesn't do much good...

Another thing is, if I test a game - I do it with all the possible command combinations, etc. That's all.
There are games that can be easly fixed *or* not - don't work properly with a specific mode (Yo!Joe! in NTSC anyone?

), so why not fix/be aware of that specific problem, from the very start?

Retro-Nerd · 09 August 2007, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

It's not that I can't live without MMU, even if enabled doesn't do much good...

Another thing is, if I test a game - I do it with all the possible command combinations, etc. That's all.
There are games that can be easly fixed *or* not - don't work properly with a specific mode (Yo!Joe! in NTSC anyone?

), so why not fix/be aware of that specific problem, from the very start?

You should quote a WHDLoad slave coder for this, not me.

Shoonay · 09 August 2007, 17:35

No, that was my explanation just for you

Come on R-N, I know it's summer time and we're all too lazy, but you're NOT going to convince me that you test those slaves only by clicking on it's icon or with:
WHDLoad *.slave preload

If a slave coder wants to fix that specific combination/configuration is yet *another* thing...

Retro-Nerd · 09 August 2007, 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

No, that was my explanation just for you

Come on R-N, I know it's summer time and we're all too lazy, but you're NOT going to convince me that you test those slaves only by clicking on it's icon or with:
WHDLoad *.slave preload

The most games from KG's packs works fine with the default settings. If a games crashes i try to fix it with the common tool types or try to install another version. No, i don't tinker with some settings unless it is needed.

Shoonay · 09 August 2007, 17:46

Damn... so I'm a bug-whore then... a person that looks for errors "in several wrong places", just to find some...

Retro-Nerd · 09 August 2007, 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

Damn... so I'm a bug-whore then... a person that looks for errors "in several wrong places", just to find some...

LOL, maybe.

There are around 2000 WHDLoad installs. I have better things to do as testing them for all possible bugs.

Shoonay · 09 August 2007, 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

There are around 2000 WHDLoad installs. I have better things to do as testing them for all possible bugs.

Why, oh why, I've not known about WHDLoad when it came in the middle '90s?

... but I still say it's better to be *at least* aware of some specific combinations/configurations issues... ... unless KG says GTFO...

killergorilla · 09 August 2007, 18:06

I personally test a game with "whdload *.slave preload" and (luckily) on my setup I've yet to have a single game that needs an extra tooltype to get it running properly (unless it has an error or needs a slave update).

If a game runs with that basic setup I really don't see the point of testing any other setup with it

In my eyes, it works fine!

If however, it won't work on somebody else's setup then I'll investigate, but in this case the game works fine on your gear with the very basic setup

Hoorah!

killergorilla · 09 August 2007, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

The most games from KG's packs works fine with the default settings. If a games crashes i try to fix it with the common tool types or try to install another version. No, i don't tinker with some settings unless it is needed.

Add all of this to my post above

I completely agree!

Retro-Nerd · 14 December 2007, 02:07

What's now with Devious Designs? It's seems there are no errors besides this "enabled MMU" crash.

Shoonay · 14 December 2007, 05:59

Was a long time since I've last played it, but I *think* there are no more bugs.

killergorilla · 14 December 2007, 10:50

Cool, this is done then. I'll change the title and update the error list. Ta.

07 June 2007, 10:21	#1
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Posts: 5,844	FIXED: Devious Designs (problem resolved!) Just tried Devious Designs on a real A1200 blizz030/32mb with the newest WHDLoad and about 6 previous, and it exits with an error message... KG? could you please check?... __________________ "I used to be an Amiga user, then I took an arrow in the knee."

07 June 2007, 10:34	#2
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,889	Yeah I'll see if I can this weekend. I've not touched any whdload stuff since I returned from my holiday (which is also why the May pack hasn't materialised yet!) I should get a chance to sit down at the computer on saturday and sunday. What error do you get? Oh and when does the error appear? __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

07 June 2007, 10:42	#3
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Posts: 5,844	Aaah, skip it, nocache nommu fixes the problem, sorry for the trouble thanks for the care __________________ "I used to be an Amiga user, then I took an arrow in the knee."

07 June 2007, 11:04	#4
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,889	Ah magic __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

07 June 2007, 13:39	#6
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,889	Aye, too true. People should be using the versions from my packs anyway as this is what this thread (which needs a bit of updating) is about! Unless you are using the packs from my site (or whdownload) then please do not post your errors here! __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

07 June 2007, 13:31	#5
Codetapper Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Age: 38 Posts: 2,465	Just to clarify, Devious Designs does not need NoMMU or NoCache. The slave was updated a year ago which fixed the WHDLoad 16.6 compatibility problem. Everyone reporting bugs please make sure you are using the latest slaves!

07 June 2007, 14:00	#8
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,889	You tried the version from my pack? __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

09 August 2007, 12:56	#11
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,889	Shoonay, did that fix the error completely for you? Want to know if this has been put to rest or not __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

09 August 2007, 14:08	#12
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Posts: 5,844	Well, yes... kinda... Just tested it with the newest beta WHDLoad - acts like with the older one. Assuming that I don't use the mmu (or disable it with the nommu command) the game works great. __________________ "I used to be an Amiga user, then I took an arrow in the knee."

09 August 2007, 14:17	#13
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,889	Fair enough! I've personally never had MMU set although I have a 68030, and I've never had any problems without it. I see the documentation recommends you set it. How strange. I'll take a look at setting it in my prefs file __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

09 August 2007, 17:06	#15
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,889	030 has mmu disabled by default anyway so you don't need to have nommu set in the prefs Anyway, this problem is solved really, just make sure you don't have MMU set for it. Another one bites the dust. __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

09 August 2007, 17:35	#19
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Posts: 5,844	No, that was my explanation just for you Come on R-N, I know it's summer time and we're all too lazy, but you're NOT going to convince me that you test those slaves only by clicking on it's icon or with: *WHDLoad .slave preload** If a slave coder wants to fix that specific combination/configuration is yet another thing... __________________ "I used to be an Amiga user, then I took an arrow in the knee."

09 August 2007, 17:46	#21
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Posts: 5,844	Damn... so I'm a bug-whore then... a person that looks for errors "in several wrong places", just to find some... __________________ "I used to be an Amiga user, then I took an arrow in the knee."

09 August 2007, 18:06	#24
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,889	I personally test a game with "whdload *.slave preload" and (luckily) on my setup I've yet to have a single game that needs an extra tooltype to get it running properly (unless it has an error or needs a slave update). If a game runs with that basic setup I really don't see the point of testing any other setup with it In my eyes, it works fine! If however, it won't work on somebody else's setup then I'll investigate, but in this case the game works fine on your gear with the very basic setup Hoorah! __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

14 December 2007, 02:07	#26
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 41 Posts: 8,380	What's now with Devious Designs? It's seems there are no errors besides this "enabled MMU" crash.

14 December 2007, 05:59	#27
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Posts: 5,844	Was a long time since I've last played it, but I think there are no more bugs. __________________ "I used to be an Amiga user, then I took an arrow in the knee." Last edited by Shoonay; 14 December 2007 at 06:19.

14 December 2007, 10:50	#28
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 31 Posts: 7,889	Cool, this is done then. I'll change the title and update the error list. Ta. __________________ I'm totally gratified that people find Interceptor worthy of being downloaded and played after so many years especially in light of its rather rudimentary visual content by standards constantly increasing over time.

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