Which Zorro Gfx card to buy???

jabsy · 11 May 2007, 11:29

Hello all,

I've got an A4000D which I want to fit a graphics card to. Which one is the best o buy?? It looks to be between a Picasso iV and a Cybervision 64/3D from what I have read. (or I guess it could be neither...)

I dont really have a need for one, I just want one, and I want the best one. Which one do I get???

Oh yeah, I just have the stock 3640.

keropi · 11 May 2007, 12:03

ofcourse 1st choise is the PicassoIV and after the Cybervision64 (NOT the cv64/3D, just plain cv64, it is actually faster...) then as a third choise there is cv64/3D and the piccoloSD64 ... all are good cards, I ranked them in terms of speed... the pIV is excellent, and it has built-in sd/ff ...
the cv64/3d sd/ff is 16bit and you loose some color detail...
good 24bit sd/ff are the Arxon/Compserv ones and the petsoff dblscan4000...

jabsy · 11 May 2007, 14:23

Ace. I've got an Arxon already, so the plain old Cybervision 64 sounds like the way to go.

Any idea of an average price for a Picasso IV these days??? The single slot idea looks tidy.

keropi · 11 May 2007, 14:46

a pIV can cost from 250eur to 400+ based on ebay prices... I got mine from a person in amiga.org for 230eur (just place a wanted ad there) ... pIV has also some other advantages... u can add to it a concierto sound card and a paloma tv-tuner... one slingle slot with rtg+sd/ff+sound+tvtuner (with vhs/svhs inputs!) clearly a space saver!!!!

Zetr0 · 11 May 2007, 15:09

I would have to kinda dissagree a little smidge with the keropi

Indeed the best is the Picasso IV, but the Cyberstorm 64/3D Mk2 is indeed a very good card (i have one) but this is indeed on an expanded 1200 Zorro 2 backplane.

Just did a bit of reading up on the original card on www.amiga-harware.com

Built-in monitor switcher
Hardware support for chunky to planar conversion
Digital video expansion bus.

it then goes on to say that the Cybervision 64 should not be confused with the Cybervision 64/3D, they are completely different graphics cards.

Wich i just did, sorry keropi-san

keropi · 11 May 2007, 15:19

you are forgiven, now gimme your cpu's for redemption!

Zetr0 · 11 May 2007, 15:20

all of them?!

keropi · 11 May 2007, 15:29

you can keep your i8088 ...

jabsy · 11 May 2007, 15:33

Thanks Keropi, but I dont know whether to love you or hate you!!

I just ponied up $US295 for a Picasso IV on Ebay (about EU220) because you made it sound like a bargain. I guess I somehow owe you a beer, but dont think I'll be able to afford it right now.

I hardly use my 4000, but it didn't feel complete without a gfx card. Now to trade the 2065 in on a X-Surf and tidy things up a bit...

I guess I'll have to finally replace the dead mobo in my A2000 so I've got somewhere to plug in the Arxon now. More money. Wouldn't a heroin addiction be cheaper???

Anyway thanks for your feedback Keropi and Zetro.

coze · 11 May 2007, 15:40

Aarrrgghh ! I was camping for that board !

jabsy · 11 May 2007, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by coze

Aarrrgghh ! I was camping for that board !

I guess I can laugh at you for that one, you trumped me on that Cybervision 64 on ebay.au last year!!!!!

I was gonna sweat it out and plop on a $US250 bid and hope for the best, but I remembered that CV64. I wasn't gonna risk losing it for the cost of a carton of beer...

coze · 11 May 2007, 15:57

Haha ! was that you ? I was watching this thread and saying "Keropi ... shut the fuck up man !" I couldn't do a buy it now cause I'm somewhat over my credit limit and I'ld pay a few days later. Now, if I was a nice chap and sold/left you the cv64 back then probabaly I'ld have the picasso now

Argh it's all Karma !

Zetr0 · 11 May 2007, 16:26

indeed karma has a lot to answer for... so does keropi

keropi · 11 May 2007, 16:32

no I'm OK... all your hardware belongs to me...!

alexh · 11 May 2007, 18:43

I notice that the PIV that has just sold used to be in an A2000 so it has been "snapped in two" but at least it is coming with the cables.

If it makes you feel better Cose the reserve was well over $150 (This card has failed to sell on several other occaisions).

keropi · 11 May 2007, 18:47

about the a2000 videoslot, what a lame place to put it on the mobo!!!

(btw, I am borrowing a camera to take pics of the tower alexh)

jabsy · 11 May 2007, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by coze

Haha ! was that you ? I was watching this thread and saying "Keropi ... shut the fuck up man !" I couldn't do a buy it now cause I'm somewhat over my credit limit and I'ld pay a few days later. Now, if I was a nice chap and sold/left you the cv64 back then probabaly I'ld have the picasso now

Argh it's all Karma !

Well the CV64 would have been fine, as I already have an Arxon.

But I would have been spewing if you beat me again.

Ebay sucks. I've spent nearly two grand on this old silicon since xmas.

coze · 11 May 2007, 19:21

hmmm, now that you got the picasso, maybe you can part with the arxxon ?

jabsy · 12 May 2007, 09:49

Hmmm maybe... I'll think about it.

Got a spare x-surf???

Zetr0 · 12 May 2007, 12:12

LOL you guys....

crazy... 2 grand since xmas....

imma thinking its a passion ... oh yes.... a passion indeed.

keropi · 12 May 2007, 12:38

since last summer, I must have spent 3500+ eur in amiga stuff...

cv643d · 12 May 2007, 13:04

I have only spent maybe 800 euro since last summer and I already got 060 board, PPC board, three graphics boards including Bvision, Z2 busboard, PCI busboard, A2000, A1200, 4xA500 and lots of other things in three big boxes

keropi · 12 May 2007, 13:12

try getting 3 csppc's , a grex , a loaded picassoIV, a mk1/060, a mk060/60 , a mk2/040, 3 sd/ff , a cv64, 2 goldengates486, an A2000T, 3 A4000, some tower stuff, an algorPRO, 2 subways, bla bla bla...
lol

Secret Vampire · 12 May 2007, 13:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by jabsy

I guess I'll have to finally replace the dead mobo in my A2000 so I've got somewhere to plug in the Arxon now. More money. Wouldn't a heroin addiction be cheaper???

I'm not sure the Arxon would fit an A2000, since the video slot is shorter, owing to it only being 16 bit. Pictures on BBoAH show it as not having a notch to fit the A2000/3000 slot, but AFAIK it is possible to cut a piece out of the connector to make it fit...
Probably better to sell the Arxon and buy an A2320 or microway flicker fixer, which should be cheaper and would be designed for an A2000.

11 May 2007, 11:29	#1
jabsy Yeah Hup! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Age: 43 Posts: 327	Which Zorro Gfx card to buy??? Hello all, I've got an A4000D which I want to fit a graphics card to. Which one is the best o buy?? It looks to be between a Picasso iV and a Cybervision 64/3D from what I have read. (or I guess it could be neither...) I dont really have a need for one, I just want one, and I want the best one. Which one do I get??? Oh yeah, I just have the stock 3640.

11 May 2007, 12:03	#2
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	ofcourse 1st choise is the PicassoIV and after the Cybervision64 (NOT the cv64/3D, just plain cv64, it is actually faster...) then as a third choise there is cv64/3D and the piccoloSD64 ... all are good cards, I ranked them in terms of speed... the pIV is excellent, and it has built-in sd/ff ... the cv64/3d sd/ff is 16bit and you loose some color detail... good 24bit sd/ff are the Arxon/Compserv ones and the petsoff dblscan4000... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

11 May 2007, 14:46	#4
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	a pIV can cost from 250eur to 400+ based on ebay prices... I got mine from a person in amiga.org for 230eur (just place a wanted ad there) ... pIV has also some other advantages... u can add to it a concierto sound card and a paloma tv-tuner... one slingle slot with rtg+sd/ff+sound+tvtuner (with vhs/svhs inputs!) clearly a space saver!!!! __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

11 May 2007, 15:09	#5
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	I would have to kinda dissagree a little smidge with the keropi Indeed the best is the Picasso IV, but the Cyberstorm 64/3D Mk2 is indeed a very good card (i have one) but this is indeed on an expanded 1200 Zorro 2 backplane. Just did a bit of reading up on the original card on www.amiga-harware.com Built-in monitor switcher Hardware support for chunky to planar conversion Digital video expansion bus. it then goes on to say that the Cybervision 64 should not be confused with the Cybervision 64/3D, they are completely different graphics cards. Wich i just did, sorry keropi-san

11 May 2007, 15:19	#6
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	you are forgiven, now gimme your cpu's for redemption! __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

11 May 2007, 14:23	#3
jabsy Yeah Hup! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Age: 43 Posts: 327	Ace. I've got an Arxon already, so the plain old Cybervision 64 sounds like the way to go. Any idea of an average price for a Picasso IV these days??? The single slot idea looks tidy.

11 May 2007, 15:20	#7
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	all of them?!

11 May 2007, 15:29	#8
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	you can keep your i8088 ... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

11 May 2007, 15:33	#9
jabsy Yeah Hup! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Age: 43 Posts: 327	Thanks Keropi, but I dont know whether to love you or hate you!! I just ponied up $US295 for a Picasso IV on Ebay (about EU220) because you made it sound like a bargain. I guess I somehow owe you a beer, but dont think I'll be able to afford it right now. I hardly use my 4000, but it didn't feel complete without a gfx card. Now to trade the 2065 in on a X-Surf and tidy things up a bit... I guess I'll have to finally replace the dead mobo in my A2000 so I've got somewhere to plug in the Arxon now. More money. Wouldn't a heroin addiction be cheaper??? Anyway thanks for your feedback Keropi and Zetro.

11 May 2007, 15:40	#10
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 35 Posts: 1,333	Aarrrgghh ! I was camping for that board !

11 May 2007, 15:57	#12
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 35 Posts: 1,333	Haha ! was that you ? I was watching this thread and saying "Keropi ... shut the fuck up man !" I couldn't do a buy it now cause I'm somewhat over my credit limit and I'ld pay a few days later. Now, if I was a nice chap and sold/left you the cv64 back then probabaly I'ld have the picasso now Argh it's all Karma !

11 May 2007, 16:26	#13
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	indeed karma has a lot to answer for... so does keropi

11 May 2007, 16:32	#14
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	no I'm OK... all your hardware belongs to me...! __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

11 May 2007, 18:43	#15
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,514	I notice that the PIV that has just sold used to be in an A2000 so it has been "snapped in two" but at least it is coming with the cables. If it makes you feel better Cose the reserve was well over $150 (This card has failed to sell on several other occaisions). __________________ Thalion Webshrine

11 May 2007, 18:47	#16
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	about the a2000 videoslot, what a lame place to put it on the mobo!!! (btw, I am borrowing a camera to take pics of the tower alexh) __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

11 May 2007, 19:21	#18
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 35 Posts: 1,333	hmmm, now that you got the picasso, maybe you can part with the arxxon ?

12 May 2007, 09:49	#19
jabsy Yeah Hup! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Age: 43 Posts: 327	Hmmm maybe... I'll think about it. Got a spare x-surf???

12 May 2007, 12:12	#20
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 38 Posts: 9,185	LOL you guys.... crazy... 2 grand since xmas.... imma thinking its a passion ... oh yes.... a passion indeed.

12 May 2007, 12:38	#21
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	since last summer, I must have spent 3500+ eur in amiga stuff... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

12 May 2007, 13:04	#22
cv643d Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stockholm/Sweden Age: 35 Posts: 704	I have only spent maybe 800 euro since last summer and I already got 060 board, PPC board, three graphics boards including Bvision, Z2 busboard, PCI busboard, A2000, A1200, 4xA500 and lots of other things in three big boxes __________________ #1 Amiga 1200, Apollo 1260 @ 50MHz, 32MB fast RAM, 1GB CF-card, IndivisionAGA, MicroniK 1.86MB Floppy drive #2 Amiga 600, ACA630 25MHz, 32MB fast RAM Vintage Amiga Hardware Blog Amiga News Vintage Amiga Programs Amiga Fish disk database Amiga stuff for sale

12 May 2007, 13:12	#23
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	try getting 3 csppc's , a grex , a loaded picassoIV, a mk1/060, a mk060/60 , a mk2/040, 3 sd/ff , a cv64, 2 goldengates486, an A2000T, 3 A4000, some tower stuff, an algorPRO, 2 subways, bla bla bla... lol __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

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