Your favourite/preferred joystick?

Andrew · 11 January 2002, 00:49

Just saw the other thread about joysticks so I thought I'd ask everyone what their fave joystick is/was. Mine is definately the ZipStick

Thanks

11 January 2002, 01:05

The Bug.

Cheetah made it I think. Great for Sensi Soccer.

Malc · 11 January 2002, 03:05

W/O a doubt - the Zip Stick

RetroMan · 11 January 2002, 08:44

Competition Pro with Autofire and Slowmotion

Paul · 11 January 2002, 12:04

My favourite game controller was the Cheetah BolliStick which I used for my Amiga and also my Master System II.

Tried to find a picture of it on Google, but wasn't anything about it, so I put it in the scanner and it actually worked!

11 January 2002, 15:59

(deleted and reposted to attach the image)

At first, I used two Sega Master System Control Pads, after I broke both of them I used a couple of Sega Mega Drive Control Pads and after they were dead I started using that quickshot pythons but nothing gets close to an SMS pad.

Andrew · 11 January 2002, 20:02

I remember the Amiga Format coverdisk that had Hired Guns on it told you how to tinker around with a Sega Mega Drive games controller and adapt it to the game. Wonder if anyone tried it?

Bloodwych · 11 January 2002, 21:01

I loved the Konix Speedking (autofire version, or you'd get cramp) although if you're left handed they are pretty useless.

My favs however are the chunky desk joysticks like the Cruiser or Competition Pro.

MethodGit · 11 January 2002, 22:46

Back when I first played on my C64 I only had joysticks to use with the games, and remember this old black joystick model with two buttons, one on the top of the stick and the familiar trigger. I think I used to use only one button the first time round (the top one), and then later I discovered the trigger underneath it!

Hey, I was only young! :laugh Like, what, 5 or 6 years old or something?

But when the joystick (and possibly a few others we also bought) broke, I was left without a joystick to play around with.

I later noticed that the joypads for my Sega Mega Drive (which was fairly brand new at the time, having bought it from the Future Entertainment Show '92 in Earl's Court

) had the same port layout and look as traditional C64 and Amiga joystick ports, so one time, when I was playing Wild West Seymour, I plugged the Mega Drive pad in the normal port and, lo and behold, it actually WORKED!

I felt very happy, I just discovered something by myself!

No help from anyone, oh joy, joy, joy! etc.

I worked out that "B" was the fire button, as was with Amiga later on.

(A bit of a stark contrast now compared to my Sidewinder joypad, which, when used with WinUAE, now treats "A" as the fire button!

I can't remember if I used a joystick on my Amiga before the Mega Drive incident, but I do remember receiving a yellow-and-black joystick with two buttons on the front (I think) which I didn't use much with my Amiga because by then I had become too used to using a joypad in order to be any good with a joystick any more! For some reason using a joypad feels more comfortable.

Kada · 12 January 2002, 10:05

My favourite joystick was BOSS, or THE BOSS. I don't have it anymore so I don't remember who manufactured it.

The stick itself was black, with a white button on the top. It had a grey bottom, with the text "BOSS" in the center. It was a very nice joystick! A few years later, I switched to a joypad - a Quickshot! It was greyish with two red buttons and had an autofire option.

Andrew · 12 January 2002, 14:40

MarzAttakz, that black and yellow joystick is the zipstick. Thats interesting about the megadrive pad. If I can find one for sale, I think i might modify it to run on Hired Guns (there was a tutorial on an Amiga Format coverdisk telling you how to do this)

12 January 2002, 14:53

I just remembered that the secondary button of SMS pad worked exactly like RMB/secondary joystick button with amiga. One of the buttons on Mega Drive Pad worked the same but I'm not sure which one.

MethodGit · 12 January 2002, 15:15

@Burseg: I'm sure it was "C" that acted as the 2nd joystick button on some games.

bippym · 12 January 2002, 15:50

I had different sticks for different games. I used a Python 1M for flight sims etc.. The cheetah Bug for action games and a Competition Pro CD32 Pad for slower games, and games which used the pad!!

Shatterhand · 12 January 2002, 20:26

I am pretty sure you can use both SMS and Mega-Drive joypads with your Amiga as a 2-button joystick, and with the Mega-Drive pads, you use B as the 1st button and C as the 2nd button.

Electronic Arts claimed you could plug a Mega-Drive pad in the amiga port, and play Desert Strike and Fifa with the same controls as the Mega-Drive versions, but that's bullshit, you use just B and C

I wouldn't be surprised if that's the same case with Hired Guns (I can't remember now if it used 2 buttons or not)

Bloodwych · 12 January 2002, 20:42

Looking through my wardrobe of nostalgia I found 2 interesting joysticks.

1) Magnum by Mastertronic

This really is a kick ass design. It's also from the same era as a top-rated P.I show involving a Ferrari, so the name is cool.

It still works today (those old solid builds and metal micro switches again!

) and is unbelievable comfortable to use. The stick is really responsive and of good quality.

Wish I had a picture but can't find one anywhere and I don't have any image tools.

With an autofire this joystick would rock, as the thumb trigger is a little hard to hammer fast for shoot-em-ups.

The biggest plus about this stick is you don't get cramp from those long gaming sessions - fantastic!

2) Original Vic-20 Joystick. The biggest pile of non-micro-switched junk I've every had the misfortune of using - enough said. :kill

You know what guys, I think we need a joystick poll to follow this thread up. Come on, let's have some more entries. :smoking

Andrew · 12 January 2002, 21:55

Yeah I agree. Someone who knows all the top joysticks back then should start one up.

Djay · 26 January 2002, 01:31

ZipStick
-it had enclosed microswitches, other joysticks seemed to break too easy...

also like the ascii pad (for megadrive/genesis 2), very flat design with a strong die-cast feel to it! Althou, i had to ripp out the MODE button, if you pressed it while connected to the Amiga, it kinda killed the pad!

I still have the ZipStick!

10 February 2002, 17:45

i always preferred pads, but i had some good times with the zipstick.

tended to use my old megadrive pad... but as Shatterhand said above, only two of the buttons (max) would work, in any game.

stainy · 11 February 2002, 03:01

This is the best for me

home made, and the keyboard keyset I like, but in joystick form

UPDATED!

Nian · 11 February 2002, 04:29

The best joystick for the amiga was an australian make called the StarCursor, It was a heavy duty joystick designed for the serious arcade game player, it has thick black heavy duty plastic for the stick and base, arcade style buttons one on the top of the stick and 2 at the base. This joystick has the 2 button crontrol and came with a 3 year warranty. If I find a scanner i will scan a picture of one.

// Amigaboy says - No need to scan it. Here it is :

7-Zark-7 · 13 February 2002, 16:20

I second that Aussie Joystick submission!!
I still have it today,but my old Amiga/C64 aren't really up to handling gaming anymore

But there was any number of times I hurled that joystick in anger & it took every blow & still worked superbly!!

zombie_dk · 15 March 2002, 16:49

my favourite is definatly 'The Arcade Joystick'

i hacked up a crappy USB joypad and added some firebuttoms.

ive had this joystick all the way back from the old Spectrum days and its still works great

CPC464 · 16 March 2002, 05:02

Without a doubt it has to be the QUICKSHOT QS-130F PYTHON 1 JOYSTICK I mean what more could you ask for

Chuckles · 16 March 2002, 05:06

My favorite has to be the Advanced Gravis. Nice large base, and sturdy. Lots of others soon busted on me, but these just kept on working.

ElectroBlaster · 22 March 2002, 01:02

Well mine has to be these:

Powerplay cruiser, even the sick green, blue, pink n yellow one

ive still got four of em, 2 black, 2 sicko colours LOL

my other fave is the Zipstick! i also have the competition pro version that i got back in my speccy days

rock solid joysticks these...

i also have a fair few cheetah bugs including one that's never been used and is sitting in its original box! never even plugged the thing into an amiga to see if it works!

only downside is now iv'e put bloody XP on my pwee cee i cannot use directpad pro to use these on uae etc

AEV · 22 March 2002, 03:41

The Star Cursor II joystick did rule especially when playing Speedball 2, but another favourite was the Tac 2. It had a ball on the top and 2 fire buttons, it was really good until it broke.

Nian · 22 March 2002, 12:47

Ahhh The Tac2!!!!!!!!
Yeah they were a hardy joystick if there ever was one, and was classed the ultimate replacement for the Atari2600 joystick, they were both easily repaired. Mostly it was their fire buttons that just needed taking out and cleaning. Other than that I can honestly say it has to be one of the longest lasting joysticks ever made. That and the other ones I mentioned.

Akira · 22 March 2002, 17:46

MAn, yeah, how could you BREAK a TAC2??? I love mine...

Im not sure about how to open it tho... it could use a button cleaning... Do you remember how it was done, Nian?

AEV · 23 March 2002, 01:33

Well my TAC 2 actual directional stick stopped working, I guess I could try and find an allen key to open it up and see if it could be fixed. I think it finally died after a session of Shadow Of The Beast 2 and everybody knows how easy and calming that game is right?

Nian · 23 March 2002, 02:38

Erm I havn't seen one for years but I am sure it just had normal screws or allen key screws on the bottom. I do know it wasn't that hard to open.

23 March 2002, 17:21

ZIPSTICK, worked great even with flight sims

25 March 2002, 19:26

cool design, fits nicely in the hand, a little bit brittle but so easy to repair... and I loved to play F18 interceptor with it

Dastardly · 26 March 2002, 18:35

I think the sound of microswitches clicking would drive me mental now Ive got used to the silence of analogue. But the Quickshot and the Zipstick were faves of mine too. Also the Comp pro was a good un.

Miggy2TheMax · 26 March 2002, 23:30

Quickshot is my fave, does mould to the hand nicely, but I don't know about it being industructable, I still use the first one I got, but I bought another one just in case.

15 May 2002, 14:54

Without a doubt, the ZipStick was the best - triple fire, sturdy as a rock and (almost) unbreakable.

Especially good for Team 17's Waggle-O-Mania.

7-Zark-7 · 15 May 2002, 17:23

For all the vaunted improvemnets with analog control, I still prefer the old microswitches & solid joysticks. At least you knew you were pushing/clicking thrashing everything properly!

sarek2k · 16 May 2002, 02:05

My Faveourite was the Zip stick too! (still have 2 now but don't use real amiga anymore

)

i also tried cheetah 125, Comp pro's (the last i had was the crystal blue / chrome shaft/buttons one it shatterd very easily when i chucked it at the wall) My Friend and I were very competative at kick off-Goal/sensi Loosing was a matter to bash/break/snap/throw your joystick.

The Arcade stick pictured in one of the other messages was also very good.

I thought all suncom joysticks sucked big time as did Quickshot lower than II even the qsII+Turbo the Skeleton microswitches where crap at which time i stopped using em! i also tried the Master system/Mega drive controllers but playing goal/sensi was nigh on impossible!

The worst joysticks of the lot where leaf switchers they where pants (ie cheetah 125+) etc some where so bad i don't even want to remeber them

Special Mention goes to Konix speedking they where good for certain games but again not for footy games! anyone remeber the endurance test they did with the drill and a waggle game???
it still holds the record i bet

Also what was looking good was the Konix gamesystem i dunno the name now but was in Ace Computer magazine (still have some of those

) it was gonna be a new console that had 3 modes 1: Bike sim mode, 2: Yoke/driving mode 3: shootem up games. Eventually it came out as a controller for PC but looked too cheap to buy!

Maybe one or two rusty memory's here

Muzkat · 16 May 2002, 14:10

My fav joystick was the Quick Joy Topstar, with auto fire, slow motion, and a funky see through base

I can't remember the name of my fav pad, but it was blue and black and resembled a Snes pad.

I also loved the joystick that came with my amiga, the one which you held in one hand, had the two fire buttons on its sides and had a small stick on top. I was mourning when it eventually broke.

I have to check out this Zip stick...

th4t1guy · 16 May 2002, 17:06

My favorite was the Sigma Ray by Logic 3. It had the best feel and control of any other joystick I've had. However, this thing was cheaply made, as the switches would keep going out on it.

Other than that, I really liked the Wico joysticks. Those things seemed to last forever!

11 January 2002, 00:49	#1
Andrew Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Leicester UK Age: 28 Posts: 167	Whats your favourite Joystick? Just saw the other thread about joysticks so I thought I'd ask everyone what their fave joystick is/was. Mine is definately the ZipStick Thanks

11 January 2002, 08:44	#4
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 40 Posts: 3,704	Competition Pro with Autofire and Slowmotion __________________ --~~= RetroMan =~~-- -= AmigA =- -= ForeveR =-

11 January 2002, 12:04	#5
Paul RIP Friends Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 2,157	My favourite game controller was the Cheetah BolliStick which I used for my Amiga and also my Master System II. Tried to find a picture of it on Google, but wasn't anything about it, so I put it in the scanner and it actually worked! Attached Thumbnails

11 January 2002, 15:59	#6
oldpx Posts: n/a	(deleted and reposted to attach the image) At first, I used two Sega Master System Control Pads, after I broke both of them I used a couple of Sega Mega Drive Control Pads and after they were dead I started using that quickshot pythons but nothing gets close to an SMS pad. Attached Thumbnails

11 January 2002, 22:46	#9
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 29 Posts: 2,579	Back when I first played on my C64 I only had joysticks to use with the games, and remember this old black joystick model with two buttons, one on the top of the stick and the familiar trigger. I think I used to use only one button the first time round (the top one), and then later I discovered the trigger underneath it! Hey, I was only young! :laugh Like, what, 5 or 6 years old or something? But when the joystick (and possibly a few others we also bought) broke, I was left without a joystick to play around with. I later noticed that the joypads for my Sega Mega Drive (which was fairly brand new at the time, having bought it from the Future Entertainment Show '92 in Earl's Court ) had the same port layout and look as traditional C64 and Amiga joystick ports, so one time, when I was playing Wild West Seymour, I plugged the Mega Drive pad in the normal port and, lo and behold, it actually WORKED! I felt very happy, I just discovered something by myself! No help from anyone, oh joy, joy, joy! etc. I worked out that "B" was the fire button, as was with Amiga later on. (A bit of a stark contrast now compared to my Sidewinder joypad, which, when used with WinUAE, now treats "A" as the fire button! I can't remember if I used a joystick on my Amiga before the Mega Drive incident, but I do remember receiving a yellow-and-black joystick with two buttons on the front (I think) which I didn't use much with my Amiga because by then I had become too used to using a joypad in order to be any good with a joystick any more! For some reason using a joypad feels more comfortable. __________________ Meh.

11 January 2002, 01:05	#2
Jim Posts: n/a	The Bug. Cheetah made it I think. Great for Sensi Soccer.

11 January 2002, 03:05	#3
Malc Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 34 Posts: 117	W/O a doubt - the Zip Stick

11 January 2002, 20:02	#7
Andrew Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Leicester UK Age: 28 Posts: 167	I remember the Amiga Format coverdisk that had Hired Guns on it told you how to tinker around with a Sega Mega Drive games controller and adapt it to the game. Wonder if anyone tried it?

11 January 2002, 21:01	#8
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,699	I loved the Konix Speedking (autofire version, or you'd get cramp) although if you're left handed they are pretty useless. My favs however are the chunky desk joysticks like the Cruiser or Competition Pro.

12 January 2002, 10:05	#10
Kada Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: cyberspace Posts: 121	My favourite joystick was BOSS, or THE BOSS. I don't have it anymore so I don't remember who manufactured it. The stick itself was black, with a white button on the top. It had a grey bottom, with the text "BOSS" in the center. It was a very nice joystick! A few years later, I switched to a joypad - a Quickshot! It was greyish with two red buttons and had an autofire option.

12 January 2002, 14:40	#11
Andrew Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Leicester UK Age: 28 Posts: 167	Zipstick MarzAttakz, that black and yellow joystick is the zipstick. Thats interesting about the megadrive pad. If I can find one for sale, I think i might modify it to run on Hired Guns (there was a tutorial on an Amiga Format coverdisk telling you how to do this)

12 January 2002, 14:53	#12
oldpx Posts: n/a	I just remembered that the secondary button of SMS pad worked exactly like RMB/secondary joystick button with amiga. One of the buttons on Mega Drive Pad worked the same but I'm not sure which one.

12 January 2002, 15:15	#13
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 29 Posts: 2,579	@Burseg: I'm sure it was "C" that acted as the 2nd joystick button on some games. __________________ Meh.

12 January 2002, 15:50	#14
bippym Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 37 Posts: 8,132	I had different sticks for different games. I used a Python 1M for flight sims etc.. The cheetah Bug for action games and a Competition Pro CD32 Pad for slower games, and games which used the pad!!

12 January 2002, 20:26	#15
Shatterhand Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brazil Age: 30 Posts: 1,637	I am pretty sure you can use both SMS and Mega-Drive joypads with your Amiga as a 2-button joystick, and with the Mega-Drive pads, you use B as the 1st button and C as the 2nd button. Electronic Arts claimed you could plug a Mega-Drive pad in the amiga port, and play Desert Strike and Fifa with the same controls as the Mega-Drive versions, but that's bullshit, you use just B and C I wouldn't be surprised if that's the same case with Hired Guns (I can't remember now if it used 2 buttons or not)

12 January 2002, 20:42	#16
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,699	Looking through my wardrobe of nostalgia I found 2 interesting joysticks. 1) Magnum by Mastertronic This really is a kick ass design. It's also from the same era as a top-rated P.I show involving a Ferrari, so the name is cool. It still works today (those old solid builds and metal micro switches again! ) and is unbelievable comfortable to use. The stick is really responsive and of good quality. Wish I had a picture but can't find one anywhere and I don't have any image tools. With an autofire this joystick would rock, as the thumb trigger is a little hard to hammer fast for shoot-em-ups. The biggest plus about this stick is you don't get cramp from those long gaming sessions - fantastic! 2) Original Vic-20 Joystick. The biggest pile of non-micro-switched junk I've every had the misfortune of using - enough said. :kill You know what guys, I think we need a joystick poll to follow this thread up. Come on, let's have some more entries. :smoking

12 January 2002, 21:55	#17
Andrew Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Leicester UK Age: 28 Posts: 167	Yep! Yeah I agree. Someone who knows all the top joysticks back then should start one up.

26 January 2002, 01:31	#18
Djay breakpointUK.com Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton, UK Age: 37 Posts: 3,062	ZipStick -it had enclosed microswitches, other joysticks seemed to break too easy... also like the ascii pad (for megadrive/genesis 2), very flat design with a strong die-cast feel to it! Althou, i had to ripp out the MODE button, if you pressed it while connected to the Amiga, it kinda killed the pad! I still have the ZipStick!

10 February 2002, 17:45	#19
fodder Posts: n/a	i always preferred pads, but i had some good times with the zipstick. tended to use my old megadrive pad... but as Shatterhand said above, only two of the buttons (max) would work, in any game.

11 February 2002, 03:01	#20
stainy Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Stanstead Abbotts / Hertfordshire Age: 41 Posts: 1,215	Joyboard This is the best for me home made, and the keyboard keyset I like, but in joystick form UPDATED! __________________ KO-GATHERING.COM - KICK OFF 2, PLAYER MANAGER and others. http://www.ko-gathering.com Last edited by stainy; 28 December 2008 at 10:06.

11 February 2002, 04:29	#21
Nian Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sol / Earth Posts: 44	The best Joystick was... The best joystick for the amiga was an australian make called the StarCursor, It was a heavy duty joystick designed for the serious arcade game player, it has thick black heavy duty plastic for the stick and base, arcade style buttons one on the top of the stick and 2 at the base. This joystick has the 2 button crontrol and came with a 3 year warranty. If I find a scanner i will scan a picture of one. // Amigaboy says - No need to scan it. Here it is :

13 February 2002, 16:20	#22
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,237	I second that Aussie Joystick submission!! I still have it today,but my old Amiga/C64 aren't really up to handling gaming anymore But there was any number of times I hurled that joystick in anger & it took every blow & still worked superbly!!

15 March 2002, 16:49	#23
zombie_dk Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 16	my favourite is definatly 'The Arcade Joystick' i hacked up a crappy USB joypad and added some firebuttoms. ive had this joystick all the way back from the old Spectrum days and its still works great

16 March 2002, 05:02	#24
CPC464 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: York Age: 43 Posts: 393	Without a doubt it has to be the QUICKSHOT QS-130F PYTHON 1 JOYSTICK I mean what more could you ask for

16 March 2002, 05:06	#25
Chuckles The Ancient One Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kansas City/USA Age: 58 Posts: 684	My favorite has to be the Advanced Gravis. Nice large base, and sturdy. Lots of others soon busted on me, but these just kept on working.

22 March 2002, 01:02	#26
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 38 Posts: 1,174	Well mine has to be these: Powerplay cruiser, even the sick green, blue, pink n yellow one ive still got four of em, 2 black, 2 sicko colours LOL my other fave is the Zipstick! i also have the competition pro version that i got back in my speccy days rock solid joysticks these... i also have a fair few cheetah bugs including one that's never been used and is sitting in its original box! never even plugged the thing into an amiga to see if it works! only downside is now iv'e put bloody XP on my pwee cee i cannot use directpad pro to use these on uae etc __________________ A1200 3.1roms WB3.1 CF IDE 200w psu Catweasel Mk4 Twin Sid Chips Registered WHDLoad

22 March 2002, 03:41	#27
AEV Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 42	The Star Cursor II joystick did rule especially when playing Speedball 2, but another favourite was the Tac 2. It had a ball on the top and 2 fire buttons, it was really good until it broke. Attached Thumbnails __________________ AEV

22 March 2002, 12:47	#28
Nian Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sol / Earth Posts: 44	Best Joystick, Ahhh The Tac2!!!!!!!! Yeah they were a hardy joystick if there ever was one, and was classed the ultimate replacement for the Atari2600 joystick, they were both easily repaired. Mostly it was their fire buttons that just needed taking out and cleaning. Other than that I can honestly say it has to be one of the longest lasting joysticks ever made. That and the other ones I mentioned.

22 March 2002, 17:46	#29
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	MAn, yeah, how could you BREAK a TAC2??? I love mine... Im not sure about how to open it tho... it could use a button cleaning... Do you remember how it was done, Nian?

23 March 2002, 01:33	#30
AEV Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 42	Well my TAC 2 actual directional stick stopped working, I guess I could try and find an allen key to open it up and see if it could be fixed. I think it finally died after a session of Shadow Of The Beast 2 and everybody knows how easy and calming that game is right? __________________ AEV

23 March 2002, 02:38	#31
Nian Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sol / Earth Posts: 44	Tac2 Erm I havn't seen one for years but I am sure it just had normal screws or allen key screws on the bottom. I do know it wasn't that hard to open.

23 March 2002, 17:21	#32
Mad Mark Posts: n/a	ZIPSTICK, worked great even with flight sims

25 March 2002, 19:26	#33
NoX Posts: n/a	Quickshot 2 turbo cool design, fits nicely in the hand, a little bit brittle but so easy to repair... and I loved to play F18 interceptor with it

26 March 2002, 18:35	#34
Dastardly Into the Wonderful Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gods Country Age: 38 Posts: 2,009	I think the sound of microswitches clicking would drive me mental now Ive got used to the silence of analogue. But the Quickshot and the Zipstick were faves of mine too. Also the Comp pro was a good un.

26 March 2002, 23:30	#35
Miggy2TheMax Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Age: 34 Posts: 369	QuickShot Quickshot is my fave, does mould to the hand nicely, but I don't know about it being industructable, I still use the first one I got, but I bought another one just in case.