Will this CF adaptor work with A600?

Fingerlickin_B · 06 December 2006, 02:23

Hi all,

I don’t know anything about the A600, but will this work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280056403149&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSEE_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=280056261689&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=UpSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

If not, what should I be looking for (what IDE plug type)?

PZ.

Magno Boots · 06 December 2006, 02:31

I have no idea what those things in the auction are, but the A600 has an inbuilt PCMCIA slot - so you should be looking for something like this..

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...ywords=compact

Fingerlickin_B · 06 December 2006, 02:34

I want to install it instead of a hard drive, not as a removable card...if that makes sense

Looks like there are different IDE connectors with different numbers of pins. How many pins does the A600 IDE plug have? Anyone?

PZ.

superBuster · 06 December 2006, 02:53

yeah I know what you mean, I wonder if it has been attempted on a 4000?

Fingerlickin_B · 06 December 2006, 03:23

Looks like I need one with all 44 pins, not one in the middle missing.

Also think I need a 40-44 pin adaptor.

I'll take a risk and buy this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/44pin-IDE-to-Com...QQcmdZViewItem

If it doesn't work I can just use it for one of my PCs

PZ.

Fingerlickin_B · 06 December 2006, 03:28

As for the adaptor cable...do I need one especially for Amiga, or will a normal laptop adaptor cable work?

PZ.

gizmomelb · 06 December 2006, 04:16

a 44 wire laptop cable is needed to connect it to the A600 or an A1200 - they can be difficult to find, I know it took me months to track down a couple (without paying extravagent prices for shipping from Europe).

Fingerlickin_B · 06 December 2006, 04:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by gizmomelb

a 44 wire laptop cable is needed to connect it to the A600 or an A1200 - they can be difficult to find, I know it took me months to track down a couple (without paying extravagent prices for shipping from Europe).

Like this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-5-Notebook-HDD...QQcmdZViewItem

PZ.

gizmomelb · 06 December 2006, 04:46

Nope, wrong type of cable.. unless you want to fry the A1200/A600 motherboard

You need a 44 pin female to 44 pin female IDE cable, preferably only 5-10cm in length (if you're using the mounting bracket for the HDD). But if you're using an IDE to Compact Flash adapter then having a slightly longer cable shouldn't be a bad thing (though it does increase the possibility of data corruption through interference from the motherboard - unlikely, but is still possible).

Fingerlickin_B · 06 December 2006, 05:06

Now I'm thoroughly confused...I thought I needed an adaptor cable, not just a connecting cable?

I thought that the Amiga's IDE connectors were different to PC IDE connectors (as on the card).

The PC IDE device has only 40 pins BTW.

I'll just wait 'till the A600 mobo arrives and hopefully it'll make more sense to me once I see it.

Fingerlickin_B · 06 December 2006, 05:55

Ok, now I think I finally understand.

Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I think:

The IDE plugs for the Amiga are just like normal PC ones, but have 44 pins instead of 40.

As I am purchasing a 44 pin IDE/CF converter I just need a 44 pin ribbon cable like this:

Is that correct?

So I just plug it in and then what?

How do I format it?

Do I need special drivers since it isn't a HDD, or can't the Amiga tell the difference?

Sorry for all the stupid questions, I've done heaps of searching and reading but not come up with anything definitive.

PZ.

Zetr0 · 06 December 2006, 09:51

Heys Fingers.

Its cool getting an amiga to boot from CF card I have done this many times

What I recomend
I would recomend that firstly you get an IDE interface card... this cost about £10-15 but offer soooo very much more than the standard IDE interface, namely 2 buffered IDE Channels (4xdevices)

you can get these from fleabay or from www.amigakit.com

you should get a cable with it two.. now from here you will have

a 2.5" 44pin port for 2.5" harddisks and two 40pin ide ports (one of these shares the primary channel.

What CF to IDE adapter to get

Now as far as CF adpater goes I would recoemend a standard 40pin IDE device its a lot less messing arround and is quite cheap..

something like this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dual-CF-2x-Com...QQcmdZViewItem

Once you have your interface, cf to ide adapter and obviously CF card you will need to configure it so the amiga can use it properly.

Installing upon an Amiga

nowdays I install using winuae (on my laptop with a CF pcmcia converter) i then take the cf card a lump it in the miggy and Whoop there it is.

but since not everyone can do this heres how... to do it amiga style

firstly connect the devices: then slap in Amiga Workbench: Install Disk

allow this to load, from here access the tools directory and run the program HDTOOLS

use the read configuration from device option (this may not always work*)

**IMPORTANT NOTICEyou will need to change the hex mask value in MAX TRANSFERS to the following value 0x1fe000

please see this thread http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25149&page=2 for more info.

now its all done save changes to drive and then exit - reboot - reload hd-tool box and partition the newly found drive to your specifications and then select to install workbench in what ever language you want, from there its all good..

Final Recomendations

I would recomend that you register WHDLoad as its just awsome for gamers with harddsisks (or cf ide cards)

)

Notes:

*Get info from device- may not work
From here you will need to get the specifications from this device, a quick way would be to attach it to the PC and check its info in the bios

*you dont actually need a buffered IDE device
Allthough you dont need this (especially to begin with) i would still recomend it as it not only buffered between 2 devices on one channel (making it stable) but more so giving you a further channel for two more devices.

*Maximum boot device size
Maximum supported size for an A600 / A1200 boot drive is 4GB under OS3.0
there are ways arround this (kickflash and the such like but these are big box solutions and not intended for the A600)

Fingerlickin_B · 06 December 2006, 11:43

Sounds complex...I'll see what I can do when it arrives

PZ.

Fingerlickin_B · 12 December 2006, 05:01

So do I just do a single partition the same size as the CF card capacity?

PZ.

Chain · 12 December 2006, 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fingerlickin_B

So do I just do a single partition the same size as the CF card capacity?

PZ.

you can make more partitions

Fingerlickin_B · 12 December 2006, 11:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chain

you can make more partitions

But to keep things simple I can just make one really big one (like you do on a PC)...yeah?

PZ.

Zetr0 · 12 December 2006, 14:27

yepo

this thread http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25149&page=2 really does cover most of your concerns my friend

)

Smiley · 12 December 2006, 15:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

yepo

this thread http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25149&page=2 really does cover most of your concerns my friend

)

Not valid link

Zetr0 · 13 December 2006, 03:42

yep, my bad... that was a link to the thread before it got amalgamated!!

this is the one

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25274

Smiley · 13 December 2006, 20:44

Yeah I came to the conclusion that IDE<>CF adapters that show as removable media on XP will NOT work!

Its hard to tell which ones do this. Usually they have an led or backplane on them. However mine didnt.

Get one that shows as a standard hardrive and it will work.

Fingerlickin_B · 14 December 2006, 00:04

Cool, according to the description of the one I ended up buying it does just that

PZ.

06 December 2006, 02:23	#1
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 1,770	Will this CF adaptor work with A600? Hi all, I don’t know anything about the A600, but will this work? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280056403149&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSEE_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=280056261689&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=UpSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget If not, what should I be looking for (what IDE plug type)? PZ.

06 December 2006, 02:34	#3
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 1,770	I want to install it instead of a hard drive, not as a removable card...if that makes sense Looks like there are different IDE connectors with different numbers of pins. How many pins does the A600 IDE plug have? Anyone? PZ. Last edited by Fingerlickin_B; 06 December 2006 at 02:43.

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06 December 2006, 02:31	#2
Magno Boots Zone Friend Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 619	I have no idea what those things in the auction are, but the A600 has an inbuilt PCMCIA slot - so you should be looking for something like this.. http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...ywords=compact

06 December 2006, 02:53	#4
superBuster superFreak Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: planet earth Age: 37 Posts: 156	yeah I know what you mean, I wonder if it has been attempted on a 4000?

06 December 2006, 03:23	#5
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 1,770	Looks like I need one with all 44 pins, not one in the middle missing. Also think I need a 40-44 pin adaptor. I'll take a risk and buy this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/44pin-IDE-to-Com...QQcmdZViewItem If it doesn't work I can just use it for one of my PCs PZ.

06 December 2006, 03:28	#6
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 1,770	As for the adaptor cable...do I need one especially for Amiga, or will a normal laptop adaptor cable work? PZ.

06 December 2006, 04:16	#7
gizmomelb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: melbourne Age: 40 Posts: 489	a 44 wire laptop cable is needed to connect it to the A600 or an A1200 - they can be difficult to find, I know it took me months to track down a couple (without paying extravagent prices for shipping from Europe).

06 December 2006, 04:46	#9
gizmomelb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: melbourne Age: 40 Posts: 489	Nope, wrong type of cable.. unless you want to fry the A1200/A600 motherboard You need a 44 pin female to 44 pin female IDE cable, preferably only 5-10cm in length (if you're using the mounting bracket for the HDD). But if you're using an IDE to Compact Flash adapter then having a slightly longer cable shouldn't be a bad thing (though it does increase the possibility of data corruption through interference from the motherboard - unlikely, but is still possible).

06 December 2006, 05:06	#10
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 1,770	Now I'm thoroughly confused...I thought I needed an adaptor cable, not just a connecting cable? I thought that the Amiga's IDE connectors were different to PC IDE connectors (as on the card). The PC IDE device has only 40 pins BTW. I'll just wait 'till the A600 mobo arrives and hopefully it'll make more sense to me once I see it.

06 December 2006, 05:55	#11
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 1,770	Ok, now I think I finally understand. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I think: The IDE plugs for the Amiga are just like normal PC ones, but have 44 pins instead of 40. As I am purchasing a 44 pin IDE/CF converter I just need a 44 pin ribbon cable like this: Is that correct? So I just plug it in and then what? How do I format it? Do I need special drivers since it isn't a HDD, or can't the Amiga tell the difference? Sorry for all the stupid questions, I've done heaps of searching and reading but not come up with anything definitive. PZ.

06 December 2006, 09:51	#12
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 35 Posts: 7,530	Heys Fingers. Its cool getting an amiga to boot from CF card I have done this many times What I recomend I would recomend that firstly you get an IDE interface card... this cost about £10-15 but offer soooo very much more than the standard IDE interface, namely 2 buffered IDE Channels (4xdevices) you can get these from fleabay or from www.amigakit.com you should get a cable with it two.. now from here you will have a 2.5" 44pin port for 2.5" harddisks and two 40pin ide ports (one of these shares the primary channel. What CF to IDE adapter to get Now as far as CF adpater goes I would recoemend a standard 40pin IDE device its a lot less messing arround and is quite cheap.. something like this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dual-CF-2x-Com...QQcmdZViewItem Once you have your interface, cf to ide adapter and obviously CF card you will need to configure it so the amiga can use it properly. Installing upon an Amiga nowdays I install using winuae (on my laptop with a CF pcmcia converter) i then take the cf card a lump it in the miggy and Whoop there it is. but since not everyone can do this heres how... to do it amiga style firstly connect the devices: then slap in Amiga Workbench: Install Disk allow this to load, from here access the tools directory and run the program HDTOOLS use the read configuration from device option (this may not always work) IMPORTANT NOTICEyou will need to change the hex mask value in MAX TRANSFERS to the following value 0x1fe000 please see this thread http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25149&page=2 for more info. now its all done save changes to drive and then exit - reboot - reload hd-tool box and partition the newly found drive to your specifications and then select to install workbench in what ever language you want, from there its all good.. Final Recomendations* I would recomend that you register WHDLoad as its just awsome for gamers with harddsisks (or cf ide cards) ) Notes: Get info from device- may not work From here you will need to get the specifications from this device, a quick way would be to attach it to the PC and check its info in the bios you dont actually need a buffered IDE device Allthough you dont need this (especially to begin with) i would still recomend it as it not only buffered between 2 devices on one channel (making it stable) but more so giving you a further channel for two more devices. *Maximum boot device size Maximum supported size for an A600 / A1200 boot drive is 4GB under OS3.0 there are ways arround this (kickflash and the such like but these are big box solutions and not intended for the A600)

06 December 2006, 11:43	#13
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 1,770	Sounds complex...I'll see what I can do when it arrives PZ.

12 December 2006, 05:01	#14
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 1,770	So do I just do a single partition the same size as the CF card capacity? PZ.

12 December 2006, 14:27	#17
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 35 Posts: 7,530	yepo this thread http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25149&page=2 really does cover most of your concerns my friend )

13 December 2006, 03:42	#19
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 35 Posts: 7,530	yep, my bad... that was a link to the thread before it got amalgamated!! this is the one http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25274

13 December 2006, 20:44	#20
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,284	Yeah I came to the conclusion that IDE<>CF adapters that show as removable media on XP will NOT work! Its hard to tell which ones do this. Usually they have an led or backplane on them. However mine didnt. Get one that shows as a standard hardrive and it will work.

14 December 2006, 00:04	#21
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 1,770	Cool, according to the description of the one I ended up buying it does just that PZ.

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