PC DOS Drivers in WB3.1

Fingerlickin_B · 04 December 2006, 05:07

Hi all,

I have become aware that 3.1 can read PC formatted and written floppy disks using drivers found on the "Storage" 3.1 disk.

I've also tried to do this, but it won't work.

Seems like 3.1 must be installed on a hard drive for this to work...is that correct?

Tried copying the drivers into the "DOS Drivers" folder on my WB3.1 disk, but that didn't work

BTW, I don't have a hard drive.

PZ.

thomas · 04 December 2006, 08:33

If you run PC0 from the storage disk it should ask you to insert the Workbench disk and if you do so, it should mount the drivers successfully. All needed files are on the Workbench disk (if it is original).

You should load PC0 into a text editor and check if it has an entry like Activate=1 or Mount=1. If not, then add it. If the entry is missing, the driver is only activated on access, i.e. you have to open a shell window and enter Dir PC0: or something similar.

Fingerlickin_B · 04 December 2006, 09:31

Thanks man, I'll give that a shot later on tonight

PZ.

Fingerlickin_B · 04 December 2006, 11:23

Ok, yes it has those entries and it does mount.

No, it still does not work.

I tried formatting the disk with Format 720 in Windows XP and writing the files with XP, didn't work.
I tried formatting the disk in Windows 98 and writing the files in 98, didn't work.

I get messages "The icon(s) have no default tool" or "Not a DOS disk" depending on how I try to open the disk.

Yes, my WB disks are genuine Escom AG disks, circa '95 according to the labels.

This is really trying my patience...everything I read says it is easy...everything I do shows it is hard or impossible

PZ.

srg86 · 04 December 2006, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fingerlickin_B

Ok, yes it has those entries and it does mount.

No, it still does not work.

I tried formatting the disk with Format 720 in Windows XP and writing the files with XP, didn't work.
I tried formatting the disk in Windows 98 and writing the files in 98, didn't work.

I get messages "The icon(s) have no default tool" or "Not a DOS disk" depending on how I try to open the disk.

Yes, my WB disks are genuine Escom AG disks, circa '95 according to the labels.

This is really trying my patience...everything I read says it is easy...everything I do shows it is hard or impossible

PZ.

Try formatting the disks on the Amiga.

thomas · 04 December 2006, 22:44

You should use real DD disks. DD formatted HD disks are not reliable.

If you use HD disks, then you have to close the second hole with some duct tape or something similar.

And I agree with srg86, you should format the disks on the Amiga. Make sure you format PC0: and not DF0:.

Fingerlickin_B · 05 December 2006, 01:51

Ok, proper DD disks and format on Amiga using PC0...got it

The instructions I have read say a new icon comes up once you mount PC0 (or PC1), but I don't see the icon when I mount them.

I know they are mounted because if I try a second time it says "PC0 is already mounted".

Are the instructions wrong?

PZ.

rgen · 05 December 2006, 04:47

The icon comes only up if the device is mounted before Workbench starts.

Fingerlickin_B · 05 December 2006, 04:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgen

The icon comes only up if the device is mounted before Workbench starts.

No worries, except how do I mount the device without loading WB?

Or does the icon do nothing so I don't need to worry about it?

PZ.

rgen · 05 December 2006, 05:13

You can move/copy the PC0 icon from Storage/DosDrivers to DEVS:DosDrivers and it is mounted automatically by the boot script (that is s:startup-sequence and there you find a line C:Mount >NIL: DEVS:DOSDrivers/~(#?.info) which does that).

Fingerlickin_B · 05 December 2006, 05:23

Cool, I'll try that too

PZ.

redblade · 05 December 2006, 07:48

how do you format a AmigaDOS disk to MSDos on Amiga.

When ever I started crossdos, I would put in a Amiga disk then try "Format pc0:" but it would say PC0: is not mounted which makes sense.

The only time I could format a MSDos disk on Amiga was when the disk I was trying to format was already MSDos.

That sux because WinXP ditches the feature to format a 720kb floppy

thomas · 05 December 2006, 08:32

Quote:

When ever I started crossdos

CrossDOS is the name of the package and also the name of the settings program, but the DOS driver is called PC0. Only if you run PC0, you can access PC disks.

Quote:

but it would say PC0: is not mounted which makes sense

If you think this makes sense, then you cannot procede. Only if PC0 is mounted, you can access PC disks (see above).

After running PC0, unless you have installed some icon killer, you should get two icons for each disk you insert. For Amiga disks you get one icon with the disk label and another one labelled PC0:????. For PC disks you get one icon labelled DF0:???? and another one with the disk name.

To format a disk in PC format, mark the icon labelled PC0:???? and select "format disk" from the menu.

rgen · 05 December 2006, 09:03

As thomas already wrote, you have to start PC0 but then you can open your Workbench disk, the system drawer and start the Format program from there if no icon appears.
Also I would advise you to stay away from the CrossDOS program, its purpose is to change files copied to/from a MD-DOS disk:

it changes the line endings of files (in texts Amiga use a code which means go next line whereas DOS/Windows use two codes with the meaning of go to start of line and then go to next line) but Wordpad and nearly all other editors can read such files today on PCs and Amiga's editors can read pc texts
diacritics have different positions on Amiga and MS-DOS, so CrossDos converts them but Windows 95 and above do not use MS-DOS codes anymore but the same codes as the Amiga (which is uninteresting for English speaking people anyway)

so you see it's not of much use anymore and if you're not cautious you can damage files.

rgen · 05 December 2006, 09:09

To format a 720k disk on XP you can open a dos window and enter:

Code:

format A: /T:80 /N:9

Fingerlickin_B · 05 December 2006, 09:36

I've had no luck.

When I use the format utility it doesn't give me the PC0 option.

When I put the disk in all I get is DF0:??????

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I can do that is different from when the driver is not mounted.

I can't read a PC disk, I can't format a 720 as PC disk, only as normal Amiga disk.

The drivers are on my WB disk, so it is mounted upon booting up.

No extra icons, no nothing except for the drivers which from what I can tell, do nothing at all

I can't do anything...this sucks!

PZ.

rgen · 05 December 2006, 09:55

You need these files:

mfm.device in DEVS:
CrossDosFileSystem in L:
PC0 & PC0.info copied to DEVS:DosDrivers or manually started

If you still have problems copy them form your original disks again.

Fingerlickin_B · 05 December 2006, 10:24

Just tried that and it still doesn't do anything

PZ.

Boo Boo · 05 December 2006, 16:08

To format a 720 you have to put some tape over the hole on the corner of the disk this makes windows think its a 720

And after you mount Pc0: type pc0: then type info

Fingerlickin_B · 05 December 2006, 22:53

Yep, I know about the tape thing, I tried all the above last night with real Amiga floppies instead, so no tape required.

So mount PC0 and then open a DOS shell and type "PC0: info" is that what you mean?

PZ.

thomas · 06 December 2006, 00:17

Quote:

So mount PC0 and then open a DOS shell and type "PC0: info" is that what you mean?

No. Type just

PC0:

and press enter. This is the same as if you enter cd pc0:. Just any command accessing PC0: will do, it just has to be accessed to be activated (in case that Activate=1 is missing in the DosDriver).

After that, enter

info

and press enter. This command will list all mounted devices and volumes. PC0 should be among them.

Before you mount PC0, mark it's icon and choose Icon / Information from the menu. Check the tooltypes if there is an entry for Unit=x. It should read Unit=0 for PC0 and Unit=1 for PC1.

Fingerlickin_B · 06 December 2006, 02:35

Ok, thanks man, I'll try that tonight

PZ.

Fingerlickin_B · 06 December 2006, 08:45

Ok, I found two different CrossDOS files on two different 3.1 disks.

One was on Storage3.1 and the other on Extras3.1 (or something like that).

I moved them BOTH onto the Workbench disk...it works!!!!

Thank god for that and thank you guys very very much for helping!

PZ.

srg86 · 15 December 2006, 02:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fingerlickin_B

Ok, I found two different CrossDOS files on two different 3.1 disks.

One was on Storage3.1 and the other on Extras3.1 (or something like that).

I moved them BOTH onto the Workbench disk...it works!!!!

Thank god for that and thank you guys very very much for helping!

PZ.

hmmmmm interesting, I've just put my A1200 over to kickstart 3.1 and WB3.1 and only needed to do the normal putting PCO into Devs/DOSDrivers for it to work hmmmmmmm

Fingerlickin_B · 15 December 2006, 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by srg86

hmmmmm interesting, I've just put my A1200 over to kickstart 3.1 and WB3.1 and only needed to do the normal putting PCO into Devs/DOSDrivers for it to work hmmmmmmm

It's only on an A500 with no HDD at present, so everything needs to load from the one disk.

I'm assuming that you've got your installed on the HDD and that's why it's simpler?

PZ.

srg86 · 15 December 2006, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fingerlickin_B

It's only on an A500 with no HDD at present, so everything needs to load from the one disk.

I'm assuming that you've got your installed on the HDD and that's why it's simpler?

PZ.

ahhhhhhhh that probably explains it!! he he

Yes mine is installed on a hard disk

04 December 2006, 05:07	#1
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	PC DOS Drivers in WB3.1 Hi all, I have become aware that 3.1 can read PC formatted and written floppy disks using drivers found on the "Storage" 3.1 disk. I've also tried to do this, but it won't work. Seems like 3.1 must be installed on a hard drive for this to work...is that correct? Tried copying the drivers into the "DOS Drivers" folder on my WB3.1 disk, but that didn't work BTW, I don't have a hard drive. PZ.

04 December 2006, 08:33	#2
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 3,901	If you run PC0 from the storage disk it should ask you to insert the Workbench disk and if you do so, it should mount the drivers successfully. All needed files are on the Workbench disk (if it is original). You should load PC0 into a text editor and check if it has an entry like Activate=1 or Mount=1. If not, then add it. If the entry is missing, the driver is only activated on access, i.e. you have to open a shell window and enter Dir PC0: or something similar. __________________ Home: thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de Email: thomas-rapp@web.de

04 December 2006, 22:44	#6
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 3,901	You should use real DD disks. DD formatted HD disks are not reliable. If you use HD disks, then you have to close the second hole with some duct tape or something similar. And I agree with srg86, you should format the disks on the Amiga. Make sure you format PC0: and not DF0:. __________________ Home: thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de Email: thomas-rapp@web.de

05 December 2006, 09:03	#14
rgen Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Aachen/Germany Age: 35 Posts: 190	As thomas already wrote, you have to start PC0 but then you can open your Workbench disk, the system drawer and start the Format program from there if no icon appears. Also I would advise you to stay away from the CrossDOS program, its purpose is to change files copied to/from a MD-DOS disk: it changes the line endings of files (in texts Amiga use a code which means go next line whereas DOS/Windows use two codes with the meaning of go to start of line and then go to next line) but Wordpad and nearly all other editors can read such files today on PCs and Amiga's editors can read pc texts diacritics have different positions on Amiga and MS-DOS, so CrossDos converts them but Windows 95 and above do not use MS-DOS codes anymore but the same codes as the Amiga (which is uninteresting for English speaking people anyway) so you see it's not of much use anymore and if you're not cautious you can damage files.

05 December 2006, 09:09	#15
rgen Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Aachen/Germany Age: 35 Posts: 190	To format a 720k disk on XP you can open a dos window and enter: Code: format A: /T:80 /N:9

04 December 2006, 09:31	#3
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	Thanks man, I'll give that a shot later on tonight PZ.

04 December 2006, 11:23	#4
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	Ok, yes it has those entries and it does mount. No, it still does not work. I tried formatting the disk with Format 720 in Windows XP and writing the files with XP, didn't work. I tried formatting the disk in Windows 98 and writing the files in 98, didn't work. I get messages "The icon(s) have no default tool" or "Not a DOS disk" depending on how I try to open the disk. Yes, my WB disks are genuine Escom AG disks, circa '95 according to the labels. This is really trying my patience...everything I read says it is easy...everything I do shows it is hard or impossible PZ.

05 December 2006, 01:51	#7
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	Ok, proper DD disks and format on Amiga using PC0...got it The instructions I have read say a new icon comes up once you mount PC0 (or PC1), but I don't see the icon when I mount them. I know they are mounted because if I try a second time it says "PC0 is already mounted". Are the instructions wrong? PZ.

05 December 2006, 04:47	#8
rgen Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Aachen/Germany Age: 35 Posts: 190	The icon comes only up if the device is mounted before Workbench starts.

05 December 2006, 05:13	#10
rgen Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Aachen/Germany Age: 35 Posts: 190	You can move/copy the PC0 icon from Storage/DosDrivers to DEVS:DosDrivers and it is mounted automatically by the boot script (that is s:startup-sequence and there you find a line C:Mount >NIL: DEVS:DOSDrivers/~(#?.info) which does that).

05 December 2006, 05:23	#11
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	Cool, I'll try that too PZ.

05 December 2006, 07:48	#12
redblade Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Western Australia Age: 29 Posts: 938	how do you format a AmigaDOS disk to MSDos on Amiga. When ever I started crossdos, I would put in a Amiga disk then try "Format pc0:" but it would say PC0: is not mounted which makes sense. The only time I could format a MSDos disk on Amiga was when the disk I was trying to format was already MSDos. That sux because WinXP ditches the feature to format a 720kb floppy

05 December 2006, 09:36	#16
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	I've had no luck. When I use the format utility it doesn't give me the PC0 option. When I put the disk in all I get is DF0:?????? There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I can do that is different from when the driver is not mounted. I can't read a PC disk, I can't format a 720 as PC disk, only as normal Amiga disk. The drivers are on my WB disk, so it is mounted upon booting up. No extra icons, no nothing except for the drivers which from what I can tell, do nothing at all I can't do anything...this sucks! PZ.

05 December 2006, 09:55	#17
rgen Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Aachen/Germany Age: 35 Posts: 190	You need these files: mfm.device in DEVS: CrossDosFileSystem in L: PC0 & PC0.info copied to DEVS:DosDrivers or manually started If you still have problems copy them form your original disks again.

05 December 2006, 10:24	#18
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	Just tried that and it still doesn't do anything PZ.

05 December 2006, 16:08	#19
Boo Boo HONEY Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: -) Posts: 2,580	To format a 720 you have to put some tape over the hole on the corner of the disk this makes windows think its a 720 And after you mount Pc0: type pc0: then type info

05 December 2006, 22:53	#20
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	Yep, I know about the tape thing, I tried all the above last night with real Amiga floppies instead, so no tape required. So mount PC0 and then open a DOS shell and type "PC0: info" is that what you mean? PZ.

06 December 2006, 02:35	#22
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	Ok, thanks man, I'll try that tonight PZ.

06 December 2006, 08:45	#23
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,116	Ok, I found two different CrossDOS files on two different 3.1 disks. One was on Storage3.1 and the other on Extras3.1 (or something like that). I moved them BOTH onto the Workbench disk...it works!!!! Thank god for that and thank you guys very very much for helping! PZ.

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