Using a Compact Flash card on a600/a1200 IDE - Page 12

Akira · 03 February 2009, 20:04

There is a fix for this posted somewhere else on the forums.
The "problem" is in your CF adapter. You can fix it.

Hurrah Brother · 03 February 2009, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

There is a fix for this posted somewhere else on the forums.
The "problem" is in your CF adapter. You can fix it.

Ta for that. Am I to assume that this is purely a cosmetic issue? Or if I don't fix it, is there is a technical problem that is getting ready to bite me in the bum sometime later on?

Akira · 03 February 2009, 21:24

It's cosmetic, the system works fine! Only that you don't get a reading of access (except on the in built LED of the adapter).

Did you find the corresponding thread yet?

Hurrah Brother · 03 February 2009, 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

It's cosmetic, the system works fine! Only that you don't get a reading of access (except on the in built LED of the adapter).

Did you find the corresponding thread yet?

This one?

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ard+disk+light

Finding the key words to search on had me for a while

But my Google-fu got me there in the end.

Thanks for confirming its not a problem for later.

Akira · 03 February 2009, 23:00

Yup that's the one mate, glad you found it!

Tosk · 05 February 2009, 18:57

hi all i was wodering if some 1 could help me out please

ive been using this guide to format and install wb3.1 on my CF card using a cf2ide adaptor
but the part i cant get past is the bit where im adding the sfs filesystem.

when editing the DosType: 0×53465300 Version: 1 Revision 270

it just doesnt like it. any ideas why?

im using a 4gb cf card. and the latest winuae, if you need to know any more
please let me know

thanks for any help

Daz/Tosk

KONEY · 05 February 2009, 21:57

EVERYBODY READ CAREFULLY WHAT HAPPENED TO ME!

I plugged my CF into the pc, to boot under WinUAE. as usual. I switched the infernal machine on and I went to do something else, as usual, while it was booting. The damn thing saw the CF was not correctly formatted and automatically launched FDISK! NOOOOOOO! now the first partition of the CF (the BOOT one) if fucked (no DOS disk

) while the others seems to be ok....

BE WARNED! FDISK STARTS AUTOMATICALLY WHEN YOU BOOT WINDOWS IF YOU DONT SAY "NO" WITHIN A TIME!

...so now...anyone can suggest me a program to (try to...sigh!) resue my lost boot partition? please help me!

Tosk · 07 February 2009, 20:21

hi all, will a 2.5" ide hd work ok in a 1200/600 amiga with out it black screening when adding the hd?

prowler · 07 February 2009, 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by KONEY

...so now...anyone can suggest me a program to (try to...sigh!) resue my lost boot partition? please help me!

@KONEY:
If you know exactly the parameters which were used originally to create
the partition, you should be able to recover it using FDISK by just creating the partition again. All that has happened is that the partition entry has been deleted from the partition table. Put it back and all your data should still be there!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosk

hi all, will a 2.5" ide hd work ok in a 1200/600 amiga with out it black screening when adding the hd?

@Tosk:
Of course it will work! That is exactly the type of drive these machines were designed to accept.

KONEY · 07 February 2009, 22:02

Thanx a lot prowler! I already managed to fix the disaster with Disksalv! I was nearly heartbreaking!

Now the CF doesn't show anymore the strange files when inserted in a PC, but only the Fdisk logfile...

LUCKY ME THIS TIME!

prowler · 07 February 2009, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by KONEY

Thanx a lot prowler! I already managed to fix the disaster with Disksalv! I was nearly heartbreaking!

Now the CF doesn't show anymore the strange files when inserted in a PC, but only the Fdisk logfile...

LUCKY ME THIS TIME!

Well done mate!

The golden rule is not to panic when faced with a situation like this, and it looks like you didn't.

prowler

Tosk · 08 February 2009, 00:31

hi prowler,thanks

i knew it would work, but i just wanted to make sure be for buying 1

Tosk · 08 February 2009, 01:40

hi can some 1 help me please im trying to format the partitions ive made in winaue
using the command Work:SFSformat DRIVE DH0: NAME drivename but i keep getting

Work:SFSformat failed returncode 10 im i using the wrong command?

my 2 partition drive names are DH0:NDOS & DH1:NDOS

can some 1 tell me what i should be using please?

Akira · 08 February 2009, 02:02

Did you install the SFS filesystem in the partition????

Tosk · 08 February 2009, 02:03

hi yea ive added it to each partition from how that guide tells u

what should the command be for the drive with in the wb listed DH0:NDOS please?

this is how it looks so far

sorry for the post edit

prowler · 08 February 2009, 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosk

hi can some 1 help me please im trying to format the partitions ive made in winaue
using the command Work:SFSformat DRIVE DH0: NAME drivename but i keep getting

Work:SFSformat failed returncode 10 im i using the wrong command?

my 2 partition drive names are DH0:NDOS & DH1:NDOS

can some 1 tell me what i should be using please?

Hi Tosk,

Have you got the SFSFormat executable on a drive labelled Work?

Tosk · 08 February 2009, 02:34

hi yea ive added it to the work folder and also changed it to each partition as stated on that guide. i think im using
the wrong command tho. what would you type m8?

Tosk · 08 February 2009, 02:37

oh is the SFSformat a different file?

prowler · 08 February 2009, 02:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosk

using the command Work:SFSformat DRIVE DH0: NAME drivename but i keep getting

Work:SFSformat failed returncode 10 im i using the wrong command?

my 2 partition drive names are DH0:NDOS & DH1:NDOS

can some 1 tell me what i should be using please?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosk

hi yea ive added it to the work folder and also changed it to each partition as stated on that guide. i think im using
the wrong command tho. what would you type m8?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosk

oh is the SFSformat a different file?

SFSFormat is the name of the program you are invoking to format the partitions on your CF card.

For the command Work:SFSFormat to mean anything, the program SFSFormat must be in the current folder of the disk labelled Work.

If it isn't the command just won't do anything, and this is probably what's causing the failed returncode 10.

Other than this point, I can't see anything wrong with what you are trying to do.

Tosk · 08 February 2009, 02:54

i see where can i find the SFSformat file from please m8?

prowler · 08 February 2009, 03:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosk

i see where can i find the SFSformat file from please m8?

The SFSFormat file should have been included in the SFS.lha archive you unpacked.

When you find it, place it in the current folder or the root of the disk labelled Work.

Then enter the command SFSFormat DRIVE DH0: NAME Disk0, where disk0 is the label for the disk (change this label to anything you like). This will format the first partition.

And then enter the command SFSFormat DRIVE DH1: NAME Disk1, where disk1 is the label for the disk (change this label to anything you like). This will format the second partition.

The present descriptor NDOS, associated with DH0: and DH1: indicates that these disks are Non-DOS disks, i.e., they haven't yet been formatted.

Tosk · 08 February 2009, 03:08

hi

the only file in there is the SmartFilesystem.lha i put it in the folder and on the root of the folder

so i dont understand why its not working :/

prowler · 08 February 2009, 03:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosk

hi

the only file in there is the SmartFilesystem.lha i put it in the folder and on the root of the folder

so i dont understand why its not working :/

Did you actually unpack the SFS.lha file? It is a compressed archive containing all the files you require to set up SmartFileSystem and format your drives using this filesystem.

You're going to have to follow that guide exactly in order to be able to set this up.

I can't help you further with this tonight. I've got to get some sleep.

prowler · 08 February 2009, 09:23

Good morning Tosk,

Now that I've had some sleep and I can think clearly, I have some more questions for you before we can proceed with this.

(1) Which SFS archive did you download? It should be either the one from Aminet (SFS.lha), or the later version (SFS_1.279_68k.lha) from http://strohmayer.org/sfs/ When we have the answer to this, we will know what the correct entries for editing the "DosType: 0×53465300 Version: 1 Revision 270" are.

(2) In your screenshot (screenshots are always very useful in these circumstances), what is the disk drive DH2? Have you created the PC folder Work, also given it the volume name Work and assigned it to DH2: in WinUAE? It looks like you've assigned it the volume name DH2 instead. It doesn't matter if this is what you've done, but it will make a difference to the command line syntax necessary when you come to format the CF card partitions later.

(3) The Windows directory Work is where you should have unpacked the archive containing the SFS files. Did you manage to do this? If you are not sure what program to use to unpack this archive, WinRAR will do the trick very nicely!

Stick with it, and we'll get there in the end!

prowler

Akira · 08 February 2009, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosk

hi

the only file in there is the SmartFilesystem.lha i put it in the folder and on the root of the folder

so i dont understand why its not working :/

You didn't unpack your SFS archive.
If you didn't, I even doubt you installed SFS as a filesystem in your HD!

Tosk · 09 February 2009, 00:05

sorry for the slow reply

yea it seems i didn't upzip all the files to my work folder lol

thanks guys ive done it all now

--

now im stuck on installing WHDload lol

can any 1 help me install it from with in winuae please,
to my working hd

i was told i need to install install first befor i can do it but i dont even know how to do that :/

prowler · 09 February 2009, 00:11

Hi Tosk,

I'm glad to hear you got the formatting sorted out.

I have attached the Installer program for you below.

Just unzip it and copy it into the C folder of your Amiga boot drive.

prowler

Tosk · 09 February 2009, 00:32

hi thanks prowler m8

how do i go about installing it please within winuae?

prowler · 09 February 2009, 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosk

hi thanks prowler m8

how do i go about installing it please within winuae?

If you are asking how to install WHDLoad within WinUAE, then I can't tell you because I have never done it.

However, I assume that it is done with an Installer script which you should find with the WHDLoad application, and it is this script which the Installer program I attached above will process. As long as you have copied this to the C folder of your boot disk it will be available just like any other command.

If you can't figure it out, then you'll have to put a more general request for help in the thread.

Good luck,

prowler

Tosk · 09 February 2009, 00:41

ive got a guide on how to install whdload, but i dont know how to install the install file you gave me to my hd, ive unziped it and copyed it to my system folder ie my boot drive.

but i dont know what to do with the installer43_3

prowler · 09 February 2009, 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tosk

ive got a guide on how to install whdload, but i dont know how to install the install file you gave me to my hd, ive unziped it and copyed it to my system folder ie my boot drive.

but i dont know what to do with the installer43_3

OK. Is there a C subfolder in your System folder? If there is move it there instead. Now you won't need the installer43_3 file. I didn't realise this file was included, so I attached the later version for you to use.

If the version 44.10 of the installer doesn't work for you, then use the version 43.3 file instead. Just rename it to 'Installer' and overwrite the Installer file in your System/C folder.

Then proceed with installing WHDLoad.

prowler

Tosk · 11 February 2009, 02:05

thanks again prowler

i will try that later on and will let you know if it works m8

kipper2k · 11 February 2009, 23:21

Hi all,

Add this to the compatible list. Works like a charm

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...e=Transcend%20

sebmacfly · 13 February 2009, 13:39

That's what i do to make the Compact flash on IDE work good... :

Use HDToolBox, do a "read" to find the compact flash memory size then save. Go to the partitionning options, clic on "Change" (file system)
Here you can see : 0xfffff
You have to replace the 2 first f with 01 looks like that : 0x01fff

SAVE CHANGES...

Now you just have to boot the Amiga with WB 3.1 (for exemple) and format your new partition.

Now you can install yourWorkbench, WHDLoad and games......
All good, without errors disk access....!

SORRY I DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH VERY WELL... I'M FRENCH

kixs · 16 February 2009, 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by kipper2k

Hi all,

Add this to the compatible list. Works like a charm

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...e=Transcend%20

What transfer speeds do you get?

sebmacfly · 17 February 2009, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by kixs

What transfer speeds do you get?

Are you talking to me?
Hummm i don't know how to see the transfer speed....

Toni Wilen · 17 February 2009, 17:10

All modern CF/SD/etc cards are (much) faster than Amiga built-in PIO0 IDE

kixs · 19 February 2009, 11:19

I understand that. When I tested transfer rates in A1200 with my 4GB CF and 40GB 2.5" HDD I got 1.4MB/s read with CF and 2.1MB/s read with HDD. CF card in PC card reader gets around 6MB/s read. Why is then so slow in Amiga? I expected around as fast as HDD.

Theoretical limit for PIO 0 is 3.3MB/s. So real world performance would maxed out at around 2MB/s

@Kipper2k:
is that Transcend 8GB 133X really working correctly as I got info that it doesn't work with Amiga!?

Gordon · 19 February 2009, 12:48

Can i just confirm that the IDE cable that i am uing for a standard 2'5 hard drive will be compatable with a CF card adapter?

TheCorfiot · 19 February 2009, 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordonbennett

Can i just confirm that the IDE cable that i am uing for a standard 2'5 hard drive will be compatable with a CF card adapter?

It sure will

TC

05 February 2009, 18:57	#446
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	hi all i was wodering if some 1 could help me out please ive been using this guide to format and install wb3.1 on my CF card using a cf2ide adaptor but the part i cant get past is the bit where im adding the sfs filesystem. when editing the DosType: 0×53465300 Version: 1 Revision 270 it just doesnt like it. any ideas why? im using a 4gb cf card. and the latest winuae, if you need to know any more please let me know thanks for any help Daz/Tosk __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

07 February 2009, 20:21	#448
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	hi all, will a 2.5" ide hd work ok in a 1200/600 amiga with out it black screening when adding the hd? __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

08 February 2009, 00:31	#452
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	hi prowler,thanks i knew it would work, but i just wanted to make sure be for buying 1 __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

08 February 2009, 01:40	#453
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	hi can some 1 help me please im trying to format the partitions ive made in winaue using the command Work:SFSformat DRIVE DH0: NAME drivename but i keep getting Work:SFSformat failed returncode 10 im i using the wrong command? my 2 partition drive names are DH0:NDOS & DH1:NDOS can some 1 tell me what i should be using please? __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

08 February 2009, 02:03	#455
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	hi yea ive added it to each partition from how that guide tells u what should the command be for the drive with in the wb listed DH0:NDOS please? this is how it looks so far sorry for the post edit __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior" Last edited by Tosk; 08 February 2009 at 02:10.

03 February 2009, 20:04	#441
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	There is a fix for this posted somewhere else on the forums. The "problem" is in your CF adapter. You can fix it.

03 February 2009, 21:24	#443
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	It's cosmetic, the system works fine! Only that you don't get a reading of access (except on the in built LED of the adapter). Did you find the corresponding thread yet?

03 February 2009, 23:00	#445
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	Yup that's the one mate, glad you found it!

05 February 2009, 21:57	#447
KONEY Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Venice - Italy Posts: 155	EVERYBODY READ CAREFULLY WHAT HAPPENED TO ME! I plugged my CF into the pc, to boot under WinUAE. as usual. I switched the infernal machine on and I went to do something else, as usual, while it was booting. The damn thing saw the CF was not correctly formatted and automatically launched FDISK! NOOOOOOO! now the first partition of the CF (the BOOT one) if fucked (no DOS disk ) while the others seems to be ok.... BE WARNED! FDISK STARTS AUTOMATICALLY WHEN YOU BOOT WINDOWS IF YOU DONT SAY "NO" WITHIN A TIME! ...so now...anyone can suggest me a program to (try to...sigh!) resue my lost boot partition? please help me!

07 February 2009, 22:02	#450
KONEY Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Venice - Italy Posts: 155	Thanx a lot prowler! I already managed to fix the disaster with Disksalv! I was nearly heartbreaking! Now the CF doesn't show anymore the strange files when inserted in a PC, but only the Fdisk logfile... LUCKY ME THIS TIME!

08 February 2009, 02:02	#454
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	Did you install the SFS filesystem in the partition????

08 February 2009, 02:34	#457
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	hi yea ive added it to the work folder and also changed it to each partition as stated on that guide. i think im using the wrong command tho. what would you type m8? __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

08 February 2009, 02:37	#458
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	oh is the SFSformat a different file? __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

08 February 2009, 02:54	#460
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	i see where can i find the SFSformat file from please m8? __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

08 February 2009, 03:08	#462
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	hi the only file in there is the SmartFilesystem.lha i put it in the folder and on the root of the folder so i dont understand why its not working :/ __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

08 February 2009, 09:23	#464
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 8,700	Good morning Tosk, Now that I've had some sleep and I can think clearly, I have some more questions for you before we can proceed with this. (1) Which SFS archive did you download? It should be either the one from Aminet (SFS.lha), or the later version (SFS_1.279_68k.lha) from http://strohmayer.org/sfs/ When we have the answer to this, we will know what the correct entries for editing the "DosType: 0×53465300 Version: 1 Revision 270" are. (2) In your screenshot (screenshots are always very useful in these circumstances), what is the disk drive DH2? Have you created the PC folder Work, also given it the volume name Work and assigned it to DH2: in WinUAE? It looks like you've assigned it the volume name DH2 instead. It doesn't matter if this is what you've done, but it will make a difference to the command line syntax necessary when you come to format the CF card partitions later. (3) The Windows directory Work is where you should have unpacked the archive containing the SFS files. Did you manage to do this? If you are not sure what program to use to unpack this archive, WinRAR will do the trick very nicely! Stick with it, and we'll get there in the end! prowler

09 February 2009, 00:05	#466
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	sorry for the slow reply yea it seems i didn't upzip all the files to my work folder lol thanks guys ive done it all now -- now im stuck on installing WHDload lol can any 1 help me install it from with in winuae please, to my working hd i was told i need to install install first befor i can do it but i dont even know how to do that :/ __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

09 February 2009, 00:32	#468
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	hi thanks prowler m8 how do i go about installing it please within winuae? __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

09 February 2009, 00:41	#470
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	ive got a guide on how to install whdload, but i dont know how to install the install file you gave me to my hd, ive unziped it and copyed it to my system folder ie my boot drive. but i dont know what to do with the installer43_3 __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

11 February 2009, 02:05	#472
Tosk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 19	thanks again prowler i will try that later on and will let you know if it works m8 __________________ Motto - "Vis unita fortior"

11 February 2009, 23:21	#473
kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay/Churchill Canada Posts: 1,919	SD compatability Hi all, Add this to the compatible list. Works like a charm http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...e=Transcend%20

13 February 2009, 13:39	#474
sebmacfly Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FRANCE Age: 34 Posts: 158	That's what i do to make the Compact flash on IDE work good... : Use HDToolBox, do a "read" to find the compact flash memory size then save. Go to the partitionning options, clic on "Change" (file system) Here you can see : 0xfffff You have to replace the 2 first f with 01 looks like that : 0x01fff SAVE CHANGES... Now you just have to boot the Amiga with WB 3.1 (for exemple) and format your new partition. Now you can install yourWorkbench, WHDLoad and games...... All good, without errors disk access....! SORRY I DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH VERY WELL... I'M FRENCH __________________ ~SeBm@CflY²~ AMIGA 500 KS1.3 AMIGA 1200 KS3.1 8GB CF, ACA1230 64MB AMIGA 2000 KS1.3 My Favorite games : Silly putty, Great Giana Sister, Monkey Island, Jim Power, Leander, First Samurai, Shadow of the Beast (I, II, III), Beyond the Ice Palace, Agony, Project X, Alien Breed, Barbarian (Palace), Cybernoid 2, Chaos Engine, Xenon, Amegas, Hybris, Silk Worm, Swiv,.....

17 February 2009, 17:10	#477
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 38 Posts: 11,944	All modern CF/SD/etc cards are (much) faster than Amiga built-in PIO0 IDE

19 February 2009, 11:19	#478
kixs Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Slovenia Posts: 132	I understand that. When I tested transfer rates in A1200 with my 4GB CF and 40GB 2.5" HDD I got 1.4MB/s read with CF and 2.1MB/s read with HDD. CF card in PC card reader gets around 6MB/s read. Why is then so slow in Amiga? I expected around as fast as HDD. Theoretical limit for PIO 0 is 3.3MB/s. So real world performance would maxed out at around 2MB/s @Kipper2k: is that Transcend 8GB 133X really working correctly as I got info that it doesn't work with Amiga!?

19 February 2009, 12:48	#479
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Amigastan Posts: 885	Can i just confirm that the IDE cable that i am uing for a standard 2'5 hard drive will be compatable with a CF card adapter?

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