Just install a tiny push-button on my Amiga keyboard to control AGA/RTG !

keropi · 11 July 2006, 21:54

Just installed this tiny button, it rox!

...and on the back of the keyboard is it's input cable!

It controls the Multimedia & Design digital monitor switch.
The button place seems a little odd, but only there it did not touch the keyboards circuits, it needed some space. but in works like a dream! (for a manual one that is....)

AMIGAZ · 11 July 2006, 22:22

Very nice, your gaming machine is almost a masterpiece now
I see your Competition Pro joypad lurking in the background like it's doing here between both of my A4000 keyboards

keropi · 11 July 2006, 22:31

yeah, those joypads are great...

I still wait for the z4 med/zorro+winner tower combo ... that would be nice to works as it is said to, lol
even got an RBM keyboard adaptor from DoctorQ to get rid of the elbox adaptor that has some probs with multiple key-presses... wish me luck!

Dizzy · 11 July 2006, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keropi

wish me luck!

good luck

keropi · 12 July 2006, 07:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dizzy

good luck

mui gracias!

Gavilan · 17 July 2006, 22:07

Keropi: i have the same model, but i dont know how to use it (the manual is in german, with no pictures, and i dont speak german). Would you tell what is the 10pin connector on the left of the card? I mean, what do you have to connect there???. and the 15 pin output, one is for connecting a Pc monitor, right? and the other one?? Could you show me please, so i can do the same you did? (it seems previously owner also did a tiny push button, so i only have to glue it to my A4000 keyboard just like you did)
Kind Regards
Sebastian

keropi · 17 July 2006, 22:48

I had the same probs, Thomas explained the pins here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=21449

the multi-colored little cable came with the switch, and I use it to connect the DCE internal SD/FF I have... I have made an exact replica of it for the voodoo3 card I have on g-rex, it is just a female vga-plug that ends to this little connector... keep in mind that the bvision/cvision do not need such an adaptor, you just plug their cable to the switch...

here is the layout and a 5 min lame_instructions.jpg so you can easily see the correct settings for a push button (like the reset buttons on towers...)
You must remember that input #1 is what the switch outputs by default from boot, so put the RTG card there... if u want put aga there, but u have to press the button after each boot to see the workbench...

I hope you do not find offensive the pic and it helps you....

keropi · 17 July 2006, 22:51

oh, and I actually drilled 2 holes on the keyboard:
one on top to put the push-button there and the other on the back to put the "plug" that goes to the button...
the pug is actually a 3.5" headphones plug and I use a 1.5m headhones extension to connect the switch to the keyboard... those are all cheaply available in an electronics store...

Gavilan · 17 July 2006, 23:24

keropi: great info!!! Thanks a lot for all the info and for the fast answer!! I dont feel the pic offensive at all, instead, it was a great info you gave me!!!!
As soon i get home i will try to do the same switch you did and try to post a pic of it!!!
One little question left: so in input #1 you put the cable of your gfx card? Or the DCE scandoubler?? I dont get it...where is that cable going to or coming from??? I dont seem to remembere of having such a cable...Please clarify this to me!!!
Thanks a lot!!!
Sebastian

keropi · 22 July 2006, 19:08

u need a cable that has a vga-female on the one end, and pins on the other to plug to the card... gonna post a pic when I get back on my a1200...

wizard66 · 08 October 2006, 10:11

I have a thing like that to.
It is posible to make it auto switch

Sourse:http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showha...cgi?HARDID=780

The black wire shown in the pictures is not part of the original unit, but was added by the user to turn the unit into an auto-switcher.

Sombody know how ? or is this info lost forever

thomas · 08 October 2006, 10:37

IIRC the wire goes to the parallel port and cgx software was patched to set a bit on the port whenever it switches to RTG and reset it when switching to AGA.

I found the (german) description here : http://people.freenet.de/CHRAmiga.de/Monswit.html

alexh · 08 October 2006, 11:30

What is the quality like of this analog switcher? Do you get any ringing / distortions at high dot-clocks?

keropi · 08 October 2006, 12:47

nop, the pic is very clear....

keropi · 08 October 2006, 12:50

@thomas: this info u discovered is AMAZING !!!
can you make a rough translation of the steps to take? I wanna try it immediatelly! auto-switch!

thomas · 08 October 2006, 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

What is the quality like of this analog switcher? Do you get any ringing / distortions at high dot-clocks?

For me 1027x768 at 70 Hz was the highest with an acceptable quality. Going up to 72Hz or even 75Hz gave visible shadows in the picture. I didn't test higher resolutiuons, but I guess it's even worse.

Also when using it with a push-button it tends to switch by itself to the unwanted mode.

keropi · 08 October 2006, 14:42

problems with the push-button? maybe u need another thomas...
also, I have not tested it above 1024x768/70hz... I find higher resolutions too small, and if u use a bigger monitor, then low-res stuff like games look awfull...
I hope some German speaking member gives a rough translation of the instructions to make it an auto-switch...

keropi · 08 October 2006, 21:25

tried to babelfish the page, made no sense... anyone can help???
also there is the schematics of the MM switcher on this site!

thomas · 08 October 2006, 22:47

I won't translate the entire page. It is filled with criticism of the bad design, poor documentation and high price of the monitor switch. Actually this says more about the author than about the hardware. He was banned from several german Amiga forums because of his rude behaviour and radical opinions.

Well, the picture shows how to connect the monitor switch to pin 13 of the parallel port through a transistor. The resistor has 47K Ohm.

Then you install the CGXPatch which makes cgx control pin 13 of the parallel port. The archive also contains a program called "SetToOutput" which is needed to set pin 13 to output. Run it before cgx initialises.

The page also mentions several programs including WHDload which tend to reset pin 13 to input, so you have to run SetToOutput again if this happens, otherwise the switch will no longer work automatically.

keropi · 08 October 2006, 23:12

ok then, Thanx thomas! that info should be enough I think...

I will test it and let u know...

wizard66 · 10 October 2006, 18:34

MMmmm.. I Love this migi Forum big time

wizard66 · 03 November 2006, 16:10

Hardware is setup right now.
I only need the software CGXPatch can't find it on aminet or any other place for that mater.
Anybody have the proggie ?

Nevermind found it will be testing now

keropi · 03 November 2006, 16:53

oh yes, tell us how it goes!!! please!

wizard66 · 03 November 2006, 18:50

Software installed but need cgxsystem.library v42.7 it say´s
But i think that library is a part of cybergraphics4.
I´m useing p96 drivers for my picallo card.
my cybergraphic cd only has v42.0 .so i´m

So i need CGXSYSTEM.LIBRARY v42.7 to continue this quest.
I think you have to use cybergraphics insted of p96.
If I get hold of version 42.7 i will make a new install.

keropi · 03 November 2006, 18:53

cgx > p96

cgx rules, do you have the CGX4 cd?

wizard66 · 03 November 2006, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

cgx > p96

cgx rules, do you have the CGX4 cd?

Yes I have a original also a update disk to v42.1

I have removed the p96 in monitors and installed cg4 from flopy.
Then the install from cd takes over for the rest of the install
but CGXPatch is not patching the library wrong version

keropi · 03 November 2006, 19:22

damn!!!!
searched aminet for an update?

wizard66 · 03 November 2006, 19:26

Yup, no dice :-(

I Need a update disk to v42.7 i think.
mebay there was a single library but not likely.

keropi · 03 November 2006, 19:45

we must make a new thread requesting it!

wizard66 · 03 November 2006, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

we must make a new thread requesting it!

Yeay okey I think your right, i'm searching into my flopy's right now all 10.000 of them.
feel free to open a new thread about it, thanks.

keropi · 03 November 2006, 20:34

http://phase5.a1k.org/index.php?id=3

here it is! thanx to an a.rog user!

wizard66 · 04 November 2006, 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

http://phase5.a1k.org/index.php?id=3

here it is! thanx to an a.rog user!

Hey Great Thanks.

Well it's working now!!!! hey i'm very happy.

I have a piccalo and a scanmagic (internal version) on this board.
My new mediator is on this way i hope it will also work.
Vga card is a voodoo5 5500 64mb.
I don't know if the mediator suports CGX.

thank for your help Keropi

keropi · 04 November 2006, 11:37

you mean it works fully automatic? you have a piccolo workbench, run a whdload game and the switch is automatic?
...and unfortunatelly mediator uses picasso96 and not cgx...

wizard66 · 04 November 2006, 12:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

you mean it works fully automatic? you have a piccolo workbench, run a whdload game and the switch is automatic?
...and unfortunatelly mediator uses picasso96 and not cgx...

Yip,
I Have a piccolo workbench screen 1024*768 played cannon fodder cd 32 version and it is auto switching all on one pc monitor..

So i have mebay a problem withe the mediator then ?

keropi · 04 November 2006, 12:19

yes, there are no cgx drivers for mediator, mediator only has picasso96 drivers... so this patch won't work...

wizard66 · 04 November 2006, 12:32

Damm !!

That's a setback for me !!
Mebay there is a progie that works withe P96 ?
I hope so because i was almost there.
I just buyed a brandnew 3000/4000 mediator at elbox.

By the way the transistor i used was a BC458
The picture shows the transitor (this is the test fase so soldering is not very good a.t.m)

keropi · 04 November 2006, 13:26

oh, thanx for this pic!
I do not actually test it,the cs-ppc on my setup is broken...

wizard66 · 04 November 2006, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

oh, thanx for this pic!
I do not actually test it,the cs-ppc on my setup is broken...

Okey then,

You have your one problems is see. If your cyberstormPPC has broken then its no good news.

Anyway the autoswitch is working look at pic howe to install transistor and resistor.

So I'm looking for a p96 patch or other program for useing this pice of hardware under picasso96 drivers.
Anybody any clu ??

wizard66 · 25 November 2006, 16:02

Can somebody please patch this driver for me ?
I don't no any code !!

11 July 2006, 22:22	#2
AMIGAZ Amiga-Mad Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sweden Age: 36 Posts: 1,285	Very nice, your gaming machine is almost a masterpiece now I see your Competition Pro joypad lurking in the background like it's doing here between both of my A4000 keyboards __________________

11 July 2006, 22:31	#3
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	yeah, those joypads are great... I still wait for the z4 med/zorro+winner tower combo ... that would be nice to works as it is said to, lol even got an RBM keyboard adaptor from DoctorQ to get rid of the elbox adaptor that has some probs with multiple key-presses... wish me luck! __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

17 July 2006, 22:48	#7
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	I had the same probs, Thomas explained the pins here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=21449 the multi-colored little cable came with the switch, and I use it to connect the DCE internal SD/FF I have... I have made an exact replica of it for the voodoo3 card I have on g-rex, it is just a female vga-plug that ends to this little connector... keep in mind that the bvision/cvision do not need such an adaptor, you just plug their cable to the switch... here is the layout and a 5 min lame_instructions.jpg so you can easily see the correct settings for a push button (like the reset buttons on towers...) You must remember that input #1 is what the switch outputs by default from boot, so put the RTG card there... if u want put aga there, but u have to press the button after each boot to see the workbench... I hope you do not find offensive the pic and it helps you.... Attached Thumbnails __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

17 July 2006, 22:51	#8
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	oh, and I actually drilled 2 holes on the keyboard: one on top to put the push-button there and the other on the back to put the "plug" that goes to the button... the pug is actually a 3.5" headphones plug and I use a 1.5m headhones extension to connect the switch to the keyboard... those are all cheaply available in an electronics store... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

22 July 2006, 19:08	#10
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	u need a cable that has a vga-female on the one end, and pins on the other to plug to the card... gonna post a pic when I get back on my a1200... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

11 July 2006, 21:54	#1
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	Just install a tiny push-button on my Amiga keyboard to control AGA/RTG ! Just installed this tiny button, it rox! ...and on the back of the keyboard is it's input cable! It controls the Multimedia & Design digital monitor switch. The button place seems a little odd, but only there it did not touch the keyboards circuits, it needed some space. but in works like a dream! (for a manual one that is....) Attached Thumbnails __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

17 July 2006, 22:07	#6
Gavilan amiga addicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA Age: 37 Posts: 175	Keropi: i have the same model, but i dont know how to use it (the manual is in german, with no pictures, and i dont speak german). Would you tell what is the 10pin connector on the left of the card? I mean, what do you have to connect there???. and the 15 pin output, one is for connecting a Pc monitor, right? and the other one?? Could you show me please, so i can do the same you did? (it seems previously owner also did a tiny push button, so i only have to glue it to my A4000 keyboard just like you did) Kind Regards Sebastian

17 July 2006, 23:24	#9
Gavilan amiga addicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA Age: 37 Posts: 175	keropi: great info!!! Thanks a lot for all the info and for the fast answer!! I dont feel the pic offensive at all, instead, it was a great info you gave me!!!! As soon i get home i will try to do the same switch you did and try to post a pic of it!!! One little question left: so in input #1 you put the cable of your gfx card? Or the DCE scandoubler?? I dont get it...where is that cable going to or coming from??? I dont seem to remembere of having such a cable...Please clarify this to me!!! Thanks a lot!!! Sebastian

08 October 2006, 10:11	#11
wizard66 FPGA Replay inside A590 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 289	I have a thing like that to. It is posible to make it auto switch Sourse:http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showha...cgi?HARDID=780 The black wire shown in the pictures is not part of the original unit, but was added by the user to turn the unit into an auto-switcher. Sombody know how ? or is this info lost forever

08 October 2006, 10:37	#12
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 3,898	IIRC the wire goes to the parallel port and cgx software was patched to set a bit on the port whenever it switches to RTG and reset it when switching to AGA. I found the (german) description here : http://people.freenet.de/CHRAmiga.de/Monswit.html __________________ Home: thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de Email: thomas-rapp@web.de

08 October 2006, 11:30	#13
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,502	What is the quality like of this analog switcher? Do you get any ringing / distortions at high dot-clocks? __________________ Thalion Webshrine

08 October 2006, 12:47	#14
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	nop, the pic is very clear.... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

08 October 2006, 12:50	#15
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	@thomas: this info u discovered is AMAZING !!! can you make a rough translation of the steps to take? I wanna try it immediatelly! auto-switch! __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS** Last edited by keropi; 08 October 2006 at 21:24.

08 October 2006, 14:42	#17
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	problems with the push-button? maybe u need another thomas... also, I have not tested it above 1024x768/70hz... I find higher resolutions too small, and if u use a bigger monitor, then low-res stuff like games look awfull... I hope some German speaking member gives a rough translation of the instructions to make it an auto-switch... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

08 October 2006, 21:25	#18
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	tried to babelfish the page, made no sense... anyone can help??? also there is the schematics of the MM switcher on this site! __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

08 October 2006, 22:47	#19
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 3,898	I won't translate the entire page. It is filled with criticism of the bad design, poor documentation and high price of the monitor switch. Actually this says more about the author than about the hardware. He was banned from several german Amiga forums because of his rude behaviour and radical opinions. Well, the picture shows how to connect the monitor switch to pin 13 of the parallel port through a transistor. The resistor has 47K Ohm. Then you install the CGXPatch which makes cgx control pin 13 of the parallel port. The archive also contains a program called "SetToOutput" which is needed to set pin 13 to output. Run it before cgx initialises. The page also mentions several programs including WHDload which tend to reset pin 13 to input, so you have to run SetToOutput again if this happens, otherwise the switch will no longer work automatically. __________________ Home: thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de Email: thomas-rapp@web.de

08 October 2006, 23:12	#20
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	ok then, Thanx thomas! that info should be enough I think... I will test it and let u know... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

10 October 2006, 18:34	#21
wizard66 FPGA Replay inside A590 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 289	MMmmm.. I Love this migi Forum big time

03 November 2006, 16:10	#22
wizard66 FPGA Replay inside A590 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 289	Hardware is setup right now. I only need the software CGXPatch can't find it on aminet or any other place for that mater. Anybody have the proggie ? Nevermind found it will be testing now

03 November 2006, 16:53	#23
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	oh yes, tell us how it goes!!! please! __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

03 November 2006, 18:50	#24
wizard66 FPGA Replay inside A590 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 289	Software installed but need cgxsystem.library v42.7 it say´s But i think that library is a part of cybergraphics4. I´m useing p96 drivers for my picallo card. my cybergraphic cd only has v42.0 .so i´m So i need CGXSYSTEM.LIBRARY v42.7 to continue this quest. I think you have to use cybergraphics insted of p96. If I get hold of version 42.7 i will make a new install.

03 November 2006, 18:53	#25
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	cgx > p96 cgx rules, do you have the CGX4 cd? __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

03 November 2006, 19:22	#27
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	damn!!!! searched aminet for an update? __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

03 November 2006, 19:26	#28
wizard66 FPGA Replay inside A590 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 289	Yup, no dice :-( I Need a update disk to v42.7 i think. mebay there was a single library but not likely.

03 November 2006, 19:45	#29
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	we must make a new thread requesting it! __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

03 November 2006, 20:34	#31
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	http://phase5.a1k.org/index.php?id=3 here it is! thanx to an a.rog user! __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

04 November 2006, 11:37	#33
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	you mean it works fully automatic? you have a piccolo workbench, run a whdload game and the switch is automatic? ...and unfortunatelly mediator uses picasso96 and not cgx... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

04 November 2006, 12:19	#35
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	yes, there are no cgx drivers for mediator, mediator only has picasso96 drivers... so this patch won't work... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

04 November 2006, 12:32	#36
wizard66 FPGA Replay inside A590 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 289	Damm !! That's a setback for me !! Mebay there is a progie that works withe P96 ? I hope so because i was almost there. I just buyed a brandnew 3000/4000 mediator at elbox. By the way the transistor i used was a BC458 The picture shows the transitor (this is the test fase so soldering is not very good a.t.m) Last edited by wizard66; 11 May 2011 at 08:34.

04 November 2006, 13:26	#37
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	oh, thanx for this pic! I do not actually test it,the cs-ppc on my setup is broken... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

25 November 2006, 16:02	#39
wizard66 FPGA Replay inside A590 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 289	Can somebody please patch this driver for me ? I don't no any code !!

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