Scsi Pcmcia

DDNI · 22 May 2006, 19:25

Will this work in A1200?

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/sup...dkey=APA-1460B

If not, are there any alternatives that will (Squirrel excluded of course)?

Paul · 22 May 2006, 19:55

Thread moved

Toni Wilen · 22 May 2006, 19:57

No. It is cardbus (32-bit), not pcmcia (16-bit)

DDNI · 22 May 2006, 19:58

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/sup...odkey=APA-1450

This one is 16bit, will it work? If so what drivers are needed?

Smiley · 22 May 2006, 20:26

Its still a cardbus and not pcmcia....it physically wont fit.

DDNI · 22 May 2006, 20:30

doh ok thanks for that....

Well anyone selling one that will? Ebay watching already.....

alexh · 22 May 2006, 20:45

HiJack:

If anyone is interested I have the worlds only(?) 16-bit PC card PCMCIA -> USB adapter on my desk right now. No Amiga drivers though

DDNI · 22 May 2006, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

If anyone is interested I have the worlds only PC card USB adapter on my desk right now

Piccies would be good

patrik · 22 May 2006, 23:23

@alexh:
Where can I get the worlds second?

@DDNI, Smiley1635:
The APA-1450 card is a 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) and should fit just fine as long as it isn't keyed for 3.3V-only operation (if it isnt mentioned, it is most likely a regular card). Unfortunately there are as far as I know no drivers for it.

alexh · 23 May 2006, 13:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDNI

Piccies would be good

[Edit] Oops Picture is a bit big

DDNI · 23 May 2006, 23:14

Nice picture. Is it a retail product or a commissioned work?

Boot_WB · 24 May 2006, 04:16

Weird, I thought it would require a 32-bit bus, since USB is 32-bit spec (afaik).
Might be worth asking Platon42 if he knows anything about it.
Do you have info on the chipset used?

patrik · 24 May 2006, 07:54

@Boot_WB:
USB is a 1-bit bus

.

Keeping to the subject - say if you have a 32-bit chip, it isnt that hard interfacing it using a 16-bit or 8-bit bus, with the help of some latches and a little bit of logic.

Toni Wilen · 24 May 2006, 08:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrik

Keeping to the subject - say if you have a 32-bit chip, it isnt that hard interfacing it using a 16-bit or 8-bit bus, with the help of some latches and a little bit of logic.

Basically as "easy" as interfacing PCI card to ISA-bus

alexh · 24 May 2006, 08:53

It is commercial. The chip is 16-bit and handles all conversion internally. Yes I have the information on the chipset. Chris Hodges already has one. (Well I've sent him one).

Oh and it's also a high speed UART, not that anyone would want one of those nowadays?

DDNI · 24 May 2006, 09:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

HiJack:

If anyone is interested I have the worlds only(?) 16-bit PC card PCMCIA -> USB adapter on my desk right now. No Amiga drivers though

Who on EAB, has the technical skill or knowledge to start writing Amiga drivers for such a thing?

alexh · 24 May 2006, 14:02

I was hoping that someone might be interested in it for the Amiga market. But to be honest it cannot truely compete with E3B's Subway product.
(Which uses another of our chips so we win either way

)

The subway uses the clockport and so keeps the PCMCIA port free. As most desktop users like to use their PCMCIA slot for Ethernet this PCMCIA USB host is at a bit of a disadvantage to the Subway.

patrik · 24 May 2006, 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Basically as "easy" as interfacing PCI card to ISA-bus

Yeah, as far as the 8/16<->32-bit conversion is concerned. Interfacing PCI chips wasn't really my idea when I wrote that answer. As this was a discussion about PCMCIA-cards, I was thinking about chips with more generic microprocessor buses. Sorry for not pointing that out.

In general PCI and ISA are two very different beasts and if you were to make them interface eachother, the difference in the width of the databus would definately not be the issue complicating such a design the most.

@alexh:
Where can one buy this card?

alexh · 24 May 2006, 19:51

Quote:

Where can one buy this card?

You can't. Yet....

It's a devkit for a chip never meant to be used in this way. It's supposed to be used inside phones or other embedded devices.

That isnt to say that if I can get it to work that it wont become for sale for Amiga's.

The chip that makes it work however is of course on sale... just not made onto a pcmcia board.

Boot_WB · 24 May 2006, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrik

@Boot_WB:
USB is a 1-bit bus

.

Keeping to the subject - say if you have a 32-bit chip, it isnt that hard interfacing it using a 16-bit or 8-bit bus, with the help of some latches and a little bit of logic.

I meant the PCMCIA bus being 16, not 32 bit

.

But never having designed any hardware which involves more than just resistors and wires, I can claim NO knowledge here

Jope · 26 May 2006, 06:29

I can confirm that Adaptec has made 16-bit PCMCIA SCSI cards. I had one for a long time back when 16-bit PC-Cards were still the hottest thing in laptop expansion. :-)

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22 May 2006, 19:58	#4
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Age: 38 Posts: 4,534	http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/sup...odkey=APA-1450 This one is 16bit, will it work? If so what drivers are needed? __________________ A1200D Blizzard 1230 MKIV 50Mhz 32mb RAM, 4GB HDD, CWB Full. AmigaOne X1000 AmigaOS.net The home of AmigaOS Twitter @AllanU74 _/-\| \|\/\| \| (-, \|-\_

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DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Age: 38 Posts: 4,534	doh ok thanks for that.... Well anyone selling one that will? Ebay watching already..... __________________ A1200D Blizzard 1230 MKIV 50Mhz 32mb RAM, 4GB HDD, CWB Full. AmigaOne X1000 AmigaOS.net The home of AmigaOS Twitter @AllanU74 _/-\| \|\/\| \| (-, \|-\_

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alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,508	HiJack: If anyone is interested I have the worlds only(?) 16-bit PC card PCMCIA -> USB adapter on my desk right now. No Amiga drivers though __________________ Thalion Webshrine

22 May 2006, 19:57	#3
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 38 Posts: 11,941	No. It is cardbus (32-bit), not pcmcia (16-bit)

22 May 2006, 20:26	#5
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,346	Its still a cardbus and not pcmcia....it physically wont fit.

22 May 2006, 23:23	#9
patrik Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Umeå Age: 32 Posts: 179	@alexh: Where can I get the worlds second? @DDNI, Smiley1635: The APA-1450 card is a 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) and should fit just fine as long as it isn't keyed for 3.3V-only operation (if it isnt mentioned, it is most likely a regular card). Unfortunately there are as far as I know no drivers for it. Last edited by patrik; 22 May 2006 at 23:28.

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DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Age: 38 Posts: 4,534	Nice picture. Is it a retail product or a commissioned work? __________________ A1200D Blizzard 1230 MKIV 50Mhz 32mb RAM, 4GB HDD, CWB Full. AmigaOne X1000 AmigaOS.net The home of AmigaOS Twitter @AllanU74 _/-\| \|\/\| \| (-, \|-\_

24 May 2006, 04:16	#12
Boot_WB Novice in the Black Arts Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kingston upon Hull Age: 37 Posts: 263	Weird, I thought it would require a 32-bit bus, since USB is 32-bit spec (afaik). Might be worth asking Platon42 if he knows anything about it. Do you have info on the chipset used?

24 May 2006, 07:54	#13
patrik Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Umeå Age: 32 Posts: 179	@Boot_WB: USB is a 1-bit bus . Keeping to the subject - say if you have a 32-bit chip, it isnt that hard interfacing it using a 16-bit or 8-bit bus, with the help of some latches and a little bit of logic.

24 May 2006, 08:53	#15
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,508	It is commercial. The chip is 16-bit and handles all conversion internally. Yes I have the information on the chipset. Chris Hodges already has one. (Well I've sent him one). Oh and it's also a high speed UART, not that anyone would want one of those nowadays? __________________ Thalion Webshrine

24 May 2006, 14:02	#17
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,508	I was hoping that someone might be interested in it for the Amiga market. But to be honest it cannot truely compete with E3B's Subway product. (Which uses another of our chips so we win either way ) The subway uses the clockport and so keeps the PCMCIA port free. As most desktop users like to use their PCMCIA slot for Ethernet this PCMCIA USB host is at a bit of a disadvantage to the Subway. __________________ Thalion Webshrine

26 May 2006, 06:29	#21
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 32 Posts: 4,061	I can confirm that Adaptec has made 16-bit PCMCIA SCSI cards. I had one for a long time back when 16-bit PC-Cards were still the hottest thing in laptop expansion. :-)

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