Scandoublers & FlickerFixers

THX1138 · 16 April 2006, 21:04

I have a 4000T.....It has a Retina BLT Z3 installed in it at the moment.

What would i need,to be able to display native Amiga modes on a SVGA monitor ?

AMIGAZ · 16 April 2006, 21:33

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Originally Posted by THX1138

I have a 4000T.....It has a Retina BLT Z3 installed in it at the moment.

What would i need,to be able to diplay native Amiga modes on a SVGA monitor ?

You would need at least a plain scandoubler, I recommend an internal scandoubler for the video slot so you don't have to clamp anything on top of chips.
You'll also need a monitor switch so you can switch betwwen the scandoubler and your graphicscard so you can use one monitor

THX1138 · 16 April 2006, 21:44

If i purchased an internal Scandoubler and used my Picasso II which has passthrough.........would this work ok ?

DoctorQ · 16 April 2006, 22:06

Some have done it, but better get a CV64 then (because of more graphics memory). It will require some soldering though to get it to work. The only plug and play solution is a CV64/3D with the scandoubler module. Works very well I might add.

keropi · 17 April 2006, 07:30

picassoII is definetelly better than the retina card, but pII is a zorroII card, better get a zorroIII one for faster speed... keep an eye for a piccoloSD64 too, it is a very very nice card...

DoctorQ · 17 April 2006, 07:38

@Keropi

You are aware that the Retina he has IS a Zorro 3 card? The Retina for Zorro 2 sucked big time, the BLT Z3 on the other hand is a good card.

THX1138 · 17 April 2006, 07:52

Oh yes the Picasso II is a Zorro II card..........so whyl is this working ok in my 3000T ?

DoctorQ · 17 April 2006, 09:26

The Zorro 3 slots are backwards compatible, so any Zorro 2 card will work in a Zorro 3 machine, but not the other way around (Zorro 3 cards in a Zorro 2 machine).

THX1138 · 17 April 2006, 11:43

Ahhh........So if i put the Picasso II in my 4000T and get myself a scandoubler.....i'm in business yes ?

AMIGAZ · 17 April 2006, 12:17

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Originally Posted by THX1138

Ahhh........So if i put the Picasso II in my 4000T and get myself a scandoubler.....i'm in business yes ?

sort of

THX1138 · 17 April 2006, 13:55

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Originally Posted by AMIGAZ

sort of

What you mean sort of ???

AMIGAZ · 17 April 2006, 13:59

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Originally Posted by THX1138

What you mean sort of ???

I mean "YES"

THX1138 · 17 April 2006, 14:47

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Originally Posted by AMIGAZ

I mean "YES"

Oh.......hahaha

So whats best....internal or external scandoubler ?

AMIGAZ · 17 April 2006, 16:29

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Originally Posted by THX1138

Oh.......hahaha

So whats best....internal or external scandoubler ?

Definately internal, the ones thst fits the videoslot

Calgor · 17 April 2006, 16:43

internal is better for quality, cos external has to convert the analogue signal back to scandouble it, reducing quality.

Don't forget the picasso iv (zorro III), it also allows you to select the refresh rate of the scandoubling (50Hz or more, whatever you like). It is arguably the best scandoubler/flickerfixer. But it is more pricy.

AMIGAZ · 17 April 2006, 17:08

The picture quality is quite fuzzy on the external ones, at least on my DCE SD/FF
The cheapest scandoubler for the video slot are the one's from Micronik..which produce outstanding picture quality, have one in one of my A4000..another option is the Cybervision 64/3D scandoubler module but I think it doesn't display all of the colours in AGA mode

THX1138 · 17 April 2006, 19:45

So basically,if i buy a Picasso IV then i won't need to buy a scandoubler or flickerfixer as the Picasso IV will do the job !

AMIGAZ · 17 April 2006, 19:50

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Originally Posted by THX1138

So basically,if i buy a Picasso IV then i won't need to buy a scandoubler or flickerfixer as the Picasso IV will do the job !

And you'll get the best Zorro III gfx card also.

Good luck finding one for a reasonable price

gizmomelb · 18 April 2006, 04:43

I've got an AMBER A2320 internal flicker fixer which I'm considering sticking on ebay. info: http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showha...cgi?HARDID=360

Calgor · 19 April 2006, 13:14

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Originally Posted by THX1138

So basically,if i buy a Picasso IV then i won't need to buy a scandoubler or flickerfixer as the Picasso IV will do the job !

Yeah that's correct. I have one, haven't tested whether it's a 24 bit flicker ficker, but I have heard it is. Also you should have at least version 11 of the buster chip to ensure trouble free zorro III operation(your A4000T should have this I think, some older A4000D and A3000 not). Note many flicker fixers are not 24-bit, but 12-bit(?) or 16-bit.

Note however, that it will not work for some ECS modes such as Super HiRes properly (every second pixel only I have seen it do on my computer). But then again I don't think any scandoubler is perfect.

What you get depends on your $$$ I think.

THX1138 · 19 April 2006, 20:26

I have seen how much money these cards are getting at the moment......I will buy one of these as soon i see one appear !

Watching one on Rare Bay at the moment...........

Calgor · 20 April 2006, 10:46

hehe, just be aware, that some ppl have had issues with some zorro III configs (force to zorro II mode), and sometimes the socketed flicker fixer chip can get loose/dirty, meaning that your custom picasso iv screens will work, but flicker fixed ones may have problems.

But i think ppl with problems are in the minority. Ask the seller if the flicker fixed modes work properly.

THX1138 · 20 April 2006, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Calgor

hehe, just be aware, that some ppl have had issues with some zorro III configs (force to zorro II mode), and sometimes the socketed flicker fixer chip can get loose/dirty, meaning that your custom picasso iv screens will work, but flicker fixed ones may have problems.

But i think ppl with problems are in the minority. Ask the seller if the flicker fixed modes work properly.

Ok........Thanks for the advice !

THX1138 · 23 April 2006, 13:38

Just bought a Picasso IV for £90.00 inc postage......i thought this was a good price ?........what do you think ?

Original box,cables & disks......but no manual

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1

alexh · 23 April 2006, 14:53

£90 for a 4 Meg 10 year old gfx card with no 3D acceleration just sound sounds wrong to me. However due to high demand it's not

patrik · 23 April 2006, 15:03

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Originally Posted by DoctorQ

Some have done it, but better get a CV64 then (because of more graphics memory). It will require some soldering though to get it to work. The only plug and play solution is a CV64/3D with the scandoubler module. Works very well I might add.

Soldering? You just connect the output from the flickerfixer/scandoubler to the input connector on the backplate of the CV64. Just take any flickerfixer and connect it to the CV64 and you have a proper autoswitching solution.

DoctorQ · 23 April 2006, 15:33

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Originally Posted by patrik

Soldering? You just connect the output from the flickerfixer/scandoubler to the input connector on the backplate of the CV64. Just take any flickerfixer and connect it to the CV64 and you have a proper autoswitching solution.

Yeah, that's a solution as well :-) Why take the easy solution???

patrik · 23 April 2006, 16:23

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Originally Posted by DoctorQ

Yeah, that's a solution as well :-) Why take the easy solution???

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16 April 2006, 21:04	#1
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Age: 44 Posts: 526	Scandoublers & FlickerFixers I have a 4000T.....It has a Retina BLT Z3 installed in it at the moment. What would i need,to be able to display native Amiga modes on a SVGA monitor ? __________________ A2000 ( Kickstart 3.1, OS 3.9, 2Mb Chip Ram, 128Mb Fast Ram,CyberVision 64\3D Graphics Card, Blizzard 2060 Accelerator ) 500,1200,3000D,3000T,4000D,4000T,CDTV,CD32,SamFlex 667 Pictures : http://eab.abime.net/album.php?u=1860 Last edited by THX1138; 17 April 2006 at 11:44.

16 April 2006, 21:44	#3
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Age: 44 Posts: 526	If i purchased an internal Scandoubler and used my Picasso II which has passthrough.........would this work ok ? __________________ A2000 ( Kickstart 3.1, OS 3.9, 2Mb Chip Ram, 128Mb Fast Ram,CyberVision 64\3D Graphics Card, Blizzard 2060 Accelerator ) 500,1200,3000D,3000T,4000D,4000T,CDTV,CD32,SamFlex 667 Pictures : http://eab.abime.net/album.php?u=1860

17 April 2006, 07:30	#5
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,041	picassoII is definetelly better than the retina card, but pII is a zorroII card, better get a zorroIII one for faster speed... keep an eye for a piccoloSD64 too, it is a very very nice card... __________________ *A1200D mfilos ed.* : ACA 1231/42 , Indivision MK2 , IDEfix Express , Subway , PicoPSU 120w custom 3.9 ROM/OS**

17 April 2006, 07:52	#7
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Age: 44 Posts: 526	Oh yes the Picasso II is a Zorro II card..........so whyl is this working ok in my 3000T ? __________________ A2000 ( Kickstart 3.1, OS 3.9, 2Mb Chip Ram, 128Mb Fast Ram,CyberVision 64\3D Graphics Card, Blizzard 2060 Accelerator ) 500,1200,3000D,3000T,4000D,4000T,CDTV,CD32,SamFlex 667 Pictures : http://eab.abime.net/album.php?u=1860

17 April 2006, 11:43	#9
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Age: 44 Posts: 526	Ahhh........So if i put the Picasso II in my 4000T and get myself a scandoubler.....i'm in business yes ? __________________ A2000 ( Kickstart 3.1, OS 3.9, 2Mb Chip Ram, 128Mb Fast Ram,CyberVision 64\3D Graphics Card, Blizzard 2060 Accelerator ) 500,1200,3000D,3000T,4000D,4000T,CDTV,CD32,SamFlex 667 Pictures : http://eab.abime.net/album.php?u=1860

16 April 2006, 22:06	#4
DoctorQ What?? Who?? DoctorQ!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rødding/Denmark Age: 32 Posts: 312	Some have done it, but better get a CV64 then (because of more graphics memory). It will require some soldering though to get it to work. The only plug and play solution is a CV64/3D with the scandoubler module. Works very well I might add.

17 April 2006, 07:38	#6
DoctorQ What?? Who?? DoctorQ!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rødding/Denmark Age: 32 Posts: 312	@Keropi You are aware that the Retina he has IS a Zorro 3 card? The Retina for Zorro 2 sucked big time, the BLT Z3 on the other hand is a good card.

17 April 2006, 09:26	#8
DoctorQ What?? Who?? DoctorQ!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rødding/Denmark Age: 32 Posts: 312	The Zorro 3 slots are backwards compatible, so any Zorro 2 card will work in a Zorro 3 machine, but not the other way around (Zorro 3 cards in a Zorro 2 machine).

17 April 2006, 16:43	#15
Calgor Amigas > Amigos Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 991	internal is better for quality, cos external has to convert the analogue signal back to scandouble it, reducing quality. Don't forget the picasso iv (zorro III), it also allows you to select the refresh rate of the scandoubling (50Hz or more, whatever you like). It is arguably the best scandoubler/flickerfixer. But it is more pricy.

17 April 2006, 17:08	#16
AMIGAZ Amiga-Mad Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sweden Age: 36 Posts: 1,285	The picture quality is quite fuzzy on the external ones, at least on my DCE SD/FF The cheapest scandoubler for the video slot are the one's from Micronik..which produce outstanding picture quality, have one in one of my A4000..another option is the Cybervision 64/3D scandoubler module but I think it doesn't display all of the colours in AGA mode __________________

17 April 2006, 19:45	#17
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Age: 44 Posts: 526	So basically,if i buy a Picasso IV then i won't need to buy a scandoubler or flickerfixer as the Picasso IV will do the job ! __________________ A2000 ( Kickstart 3.1, OS 3.9, 2Mb Chip Ram, 128Mb Fast Ram,CyberVision 64\3D Graphics Card, Blizzard 2060 Accelerator ) 500,1200,3000D,3000T,4000D,4000T,CDTV,CD32,SamFlex 667 Pictures : http://eab.abime.net/album.php?u=1860

18 April 2006, 04:43	#19
gizmomelb Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: melbourne Age: 44 Posts: 506	I've got an AMBER A2320 internal flicker fixer which I'm considering sticking on ebay. info: http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showha...cgi?HARDID=360

19 April 2006, 20:26	#21
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Age: 44 Posts: 526	I have seen how much money these cards are getting at the moment......I will buy one of these as soon i see one appear ! Watching one on Rare Bay at the moment........... __________________ A2000 ( Kickstart 3.1, OS 3.9, 2Mb Chip Ram, 128Mb Fast Ram,CyberVision 64\3D Graphics Card, Blizzard 2060 Accelerator ) 500,1200,3000D,3000T,4000D,4000T,CDTV,CD32,SamFlex 667 Pictures : http://eab.abime.net/album.php?u=1860

20 April 2006, 10:46	#22
Calgor Amigas > Amigos Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 991	hehe, just be aware, that some ppl have had issues with some zorro III configs (force to zorro II mode), and sometimes the socketed flicker fixer chip can get loose/dirty, meaning that your custom picasso iv screens will work, but flicker fixed ones may have problems. But i think ppl with problems are in the minority. Ask the seller if the flicker fixed modes work properly.

23 April 2006, 13:38	#24
THX1138 Amiga Centurai Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Age: 44 Posts: 526	Just bought a Picasso IV for £90.00 inc postage......i thought this was a good price ?........what do you think ? Original box,cables & disks......but no manual http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1 __________________ A2000 ( Kickstart 3.1, OS 3.9, 2Mb Chip Ram, 128Mb Fast Ram,CyberVision 64\3D Graphics Card, Blizzard 2060 Accelerator ) 500,1200,3000D,3000T,4000D,4000T,CDTV,CD32,SamFlex 667 Pictures : http://eab.abime.net/album.php?u=1860

23 April 2006, 14:53	#25
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,506	£90 for a 4 Meg 10 year old gfx card with no 3D acceleration just sound sounds wrong to me. However due to high demand it's not __________________ Thalion Webshrine

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