Wipe Out - Page 2

dlfrsilver · 14 November 2007, 16:29

Yolanda = Steve Bak ; this one known as an atari ST B*tch !

not surprised here

Angus · 15 November 2007, 11:32

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Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

well i guess it shows there is no accounting for taste - especially from the germans

<joke> - but perhaps you shouldnt be so quick to assume its crap if the views are so polarised? there are still more positive reviews than negative ones.

Personally i trust the long standing and well respected Amiga Format myself - having read the review, i can tell you it is intelligently written and makes very valid points about the game, which i can verify because ive actually played it!

I'd be happy to have a review for the Amiga Games database of the game if anybody wants to write one, (Horace?)

Angus · 15 November 2007, 11:37

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Sorry for bashing your hit game, Horace. But there are better games which need to WHDfied, like Oil Imperium or Whale's Voyage.

It just goes to show everybody is different. I couldn`t personally see much appeal in Whales Voyage at all, but that's just me. Wipe Out I didn't try for long, but I thought it looked interesting. I could be wrong about both, but I think we should be cautious about saying my game is more deserving than your game.

Angus · 15 November 2007, 11:41

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Originally Posted by StingRay

I think Codetapper should do the slave as he also did the slave for Top Banana.

And that's the crappiest game I've ever seen on any platform.

Wipe Out can't be worse than that.

Take a look at Paul Burkey's views of Top Banana on the Amiga Games Database for a different viewpoint.

Graham Humphrey · 15 November 2007, 11:43

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Originally Posted by Angus

It just goes to show everybody is different. I couldn`t personally see much appeal in Whales Voyage at all, but that's just me. Wipe Out I didn't try for long, but I thought it looked interesting. I could be wrong about both, but I think we should be cautious about saying my game is more deserving than your game.

Careful Angus, that's far too sensible a post

Retro-Nerd · 15 November 2007, 11:45

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Originally Posted by Angus

It just goes to show everybody is different. I couldn`t personally see much appeal in Whales Voyage at all, but that's just me. Wipe Out I didn't try for long, but I thought it looked interesting. I could be wrong about both, but I think we should be cautious about saying my game is more deserving than your game.

You can't compare a RPG with a simple Sports/Actiongame. I talk about technical aspects, and Wipeout sucks in all categories. What a kind of review do you expect from Horace? It will be unobjective for sure.

Whales Voyage is a nice Sci-Fi RPG. Sure, the second part is superior, but it's one of the better games for the miggy.

Angus · 15 November 2007, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

You can't compare a RPG with a simple Sports/Actiongame. I talk about technical aspects, and Wipeout sucks in all categories. What a kind of review do you expect from Horace? It will be unobjective for sure.

Whales Voyage is a nice Sci-Fi RPG. Sure, the second part is superior, but it's one of the better games for the miggy.

Well, one point at a time:

Why would you want to compare an RPG to an Action game. Is one more deserving than the other? Neither of us think so, do we?

In about 4 posts you slagged off WipeOut in a non-technical way, you said the game was "shit", "lousy" etc.

I'm not particuarly after "objective" reviews. If somebody is genuinely enthusiastic about a game, I like that to come across - again that's just my taste. I'm happy to have comments about technical aspects of a game as well, but if you end up with just a technical breakdown of the program's capabilities, and no "feeling" it strikes me as a bit lifeless.

You prefer Whales Voyage 2 to Whales Voyage 1? Really? It just seemd like an unfinished game to me - but maybe the German version is better. In any case, that's just my opinion. I personally like "strange" and unusual games to be patched, things like Gravity, Debut and Shuttle. But that's just me.

Hungry Horace · 15 November 2007, 13:23

why would my view be unobjective anyway? thata's incredibly presumptuous to say, although i'll probably get accused of starting an arguement just for defending myself here.

its nice to see someone is less dismissiveof other people's differning opinions Angus. It's a breath of fresh air.

i'll write you a review if you let me know how long youd like it

Retro-Nerd · 15 November 2007, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Angus

You prefer Whales Voyage 2 to Whales Voyage 1? Really? It just seemd like an unfinished game to me - but maybe the German version is better. In any case, that's just my opinion. I personally like "strange" and unusual games to be patched, things like Gravity, Debut and Shuttle. But that's just me.

Can't tell anything about the english version of Whale's Voyage II, but i bought the german game in 1995 and played through it without any flaws.

Well, the english version wasn't released, hardly surprising that it's probably looking a bit unfinished. If you check the laughable english reviews it seems so.

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In about 4 posts you slagged off WipeOut in a non-technical way, you said the game was "shit", "lousy" etc.

I wrote at least this, and it's a fact.

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Have you played it, girv? I assume you like the slow, jerky and ugly graphics, the crappy controls, the useless mini radar......

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I'm not particuarly after "objective" reviews.

All unobjective reviews are useless reviews.

I could write that Civilization is a really bad game and praising Brattacas to the skies. How useful are these POV reviews for other guys?

Graham Humphrey · 15 November 2007, 14:31

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

I could write that Civilization is a really bad game and praising Brattacas to the skies. How useful are these POV reviews for other guys?

But they would be your opinions. So if you wrote a review saying that Brattacas is really bad, that would be more useful than one saying that it's good?

If you come on here writing a review saying you liked Brattacas and why you liked it, I wouldn't agree with you but that doesn't mean I wouldn't find your reasons and opinions interesting and I wouldn't totally dismiss them out of hand.

Hungry Horace · 15 November 2007, 14:35

RN, your comments look like nothing more than arguement hunting.

i'm certainly not going to oblige if that's what you are after.

for the record, Amiga Power wrote brilliant reviews and a lot of people didnt agree with them.

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I wrote at least this, and it's a fact.

no, it's an opinion.

Retro-Nerd · 15 November 2007, 14:38

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Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

So if you wrote a review saying that Brattacas is really bad, that would be more useful than one saying that it's good?

Of course, it's prevents that people even trying to play this REALLY shitty game. I don't lie to somebody, it's better than praising it to the skies.

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If you come on here writing a review saying you liked Brattacas and why you liked it, I wouldn't agree with you but that doesn't mean I wouldn't find your reasons and opinions interesting and I wouldn't totally dismiss them out of hand.

There are enough mediocre games, where you can find something appealing/interesting, but not in this Brattacas case.

Graham Humphrey · 15 November 2007, 14:44

I think you misunderstood me slightly - I was only using Brattacas as an example. I know you don't really like it, I was saying that you did just for the sake of argument

Retro-Nerd · 15 November 2007, 14:48

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Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

I think you misunderstood me slightly - I was only using Brattacas as an example. I know you don't really like it, I was saying that you did just for the sake of argument

Then let's discuss us about other games. Wipe Out, Brattacas, Top Banana, Yolanda... are boring or badly programmed games. List some other games and i will find nice pro arguments for them.

Hungry Horace · 15 November 2007, 14:51

just becuase one person (you Retro-Nerd) thinks its shitty, or a review says its good, surely people should be able to form their own judgement rather than being told what to think? Your opinion is not law, and people have their own minds and can make their own judgements, which (OMG!) might -actually- be different from yours.

i'd rather play a game and decide for myslef that i dont like it, than read some overly negative review and not bother.

Sensible Golf got some pretty lousey reviews, but i'ts a great game. It's jsut that it requires you to have some mates to actually get to enjoy its full potential. Wipe Out has some wonderful qualities to it, which you simply refuse to see becasue you wont look past the graphics & music that is not to your taste. oh and you probably hate it so passionately because i say i like it.

anyway, could such a debate about opinion / reviews / game-standards perhaps be taken out of the Wipe Out thread?

Angus · 15 November 2007, 17:16

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Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

its nice to see someone is less dismissiveof other people's differning opinions Angus. It's a breath of fresh air.

i'll write you a review if you let me know how long youd like it

Nice one. I try to get people to submit a text file which is 2k or more, but its not written in stone or anything.

Angus · 15 November 2007, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

All unobjective reviews are useless reviews.

I could write that Civilization is a really bad game and praising Brattacas to the skies. How useful are these POV reviews for other guys?

Newspapers are supposed to supply objective information. I prefer people's feelings, emotions and enthusiasm.

If you told me what you liked/disliked about those games it would probably be useful, and maybe entertaining. It wouldn`t matter if I agreed with you or not. I'd be interested in your opinion.

Angus · 15 November 2007, 17:27

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Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

anyway, could such a debate about opinion / reviews / game-standards perhaps be taken out of the Wipe Out thread?

The other thing is that a WHDLoad patch might speed up the graphics and make it a smoother more enjoyable experience - even for Retro-Nerd.

Retro-Nerd · 15 November 2007, 17:28

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Originally Posted by Angus

If you told me what you liked/disliked about those games it would probably be useful, and maybe entertaining. It wouldn`t matter if I agreed with you or not. I'd be interested in your opinion.

It's ok, i understand what you've meant. But you should call them "personal reports" then, not reviews.

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Originally Posted by Angus

The other thing is that a WHDLoad patch might speed up the graphics and make it a smoother more enjoyable experience - even for Retro-Nerd.

Sure, if the potential slave coder replaces the grahics, sound and controls too. But then we have a new game.

Hungry Horace · 15 November 2007, 17:53

nothing wrong with the controls.

fire to jump, up to accellerate, down to brake, left and right to move left / right. going slower the turning circle is smaller. (pretty logical)

i can understand if you dont like the music, and maybe you dont like the graphical style (which i have no problem with - it's of its time) - but i really dont understand the controls thing.

maybe if someone isnt very good at racing-type games, they blame the control system

Angus: i'll get to work on it then. the sooner my laptop arrives, the sooner you'll get it

i'll PM you when its ready.

Angus · 15 November 2007, 18:05

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Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

Angus: i'll get to work on it then. the sooner my laptop arrives, the sooner you'll get it

i'll PM you when its ready.

Thanks, I look forward to it.

Hungry Horace · 09 March 2008, 22:21

my thanks to Angus for encouraging me to get my arse in gear and finally write this review:

http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/DBM1/WipOut.html

and for respecting that different people can happily have different opinions on what makes a game good.

musojon74 · 10 March 2008, 00:27

After reading your review Horace, I think I might have had a demo of this way back in time. Was it released on Atari ST too?

Could you zone the adf, I'd like to try this for \ bit of nostalgia!

Cheers! Jon

Hungry Horace · 10 March 2008, 01:06

musojon74, there was i believe an ST version yes, although i have never tried it.

If you want to use the ADF version, you can find it here;

http://amigaonline.condor.serverpro3...ut/WipeOut.adf

but you would need to use a custom-type ADF to be formatted for the league disk. Its best to put the league disk in DF0: when the cracktro appears, and the game-disk in DF1:... strange i know, but it works(ish)

however, the IPF (or a real copy!) is a more reliable way to run it, although you can only use one drive, it never needs swapping after you 'dir' the league-disk. A pre-made custom league-disk for the IPF / real version can be found here;

http://amigaonline.condor.serverpro3...LeagueDisk.adf

of course, the IPF cant be uploaded or provided here for obvious reasons!!

all this confusion / mess is why i requested the whdload slave in the first place!

Calgor · 10 March 2008, 06:10

This game was awesome! We played the demo from the coverdisk from I think it was AF, and wanted the full version. Great game for 2 players. 1 player not so good.

Got the full (non-floppy) version, but without the manual, have no idea how to start the game!! It has all these cryptic icons for its menu. LOL.

musojon74 · 10 March 2008, 09:16

Cheers Horace! I'll try this after work to see if it's the same one I remember! I'd have a go at whdloading, but I'm afraid it's probably beyond my expertise (my language skills are limited to html, javascript, and some C# / ASP.net stuff.)

THanks again!

bippym · 10 March 2008, 09:35

I started dis-assembling it to see what is happening but right now my time is extra-limited

Hungry Horace · 10 March 2008, 11:16

@ Calgor - i'm in the process of typing the manual up, i'll upload it and link to it here when the important bits (menu navigation) are done!

@ jon - any knowledge you can bring that might help Bippy or anyone else who will have a go at a slave, is very welcome in my eyes, and such efforts will always be appriciated regardless of success rate!

Angus · 10 March 2008, 12:56

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Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

my thanks to Angus for encouraging me to get my arse in gear and finally write this review:

http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/DBM1/WipOut.html

and for respecting that different people can happily have different opinions on what makes a game good.

You are welcome - and thank you for a well written and interesting review. I'd really like a chance to play it now!

Angus · 10 March 2008, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Calgor

This game was awesome! We played the demo from the coverdisk from I think it was AF, and wanted the full version. Great game for 2 players. 1 player not so good.

Got the full (non-floppy) version, but without the manual, have no idea how to start the game!! It has all these cryptic icons for its menu. LOL.

Does anybody have more info on the cover disk demo, I'd like to see if I can at least get that to run. An amiga firendly archive in the Zone would be ideal.

Calgor, non-floppy version?

Hungry Horace · 10 March 2008, 16:17

i recently recovered my own copy of the coverdisk during a sort-out, and also WHDload installed it (generic slave - sadly, didnt work on my real A1200 though)

The ADF is on AMR. Issue 10of AF... http://amr.abime.net/issue_166_coverdisks

Angus · 10 March 2008, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

i recently recovered my own copy of the coverdisk during a sort-out, and also WHDload installed it (generic slave - sadly, didnt work on my real A1200 though)

The ADF is on AMR. Issue 10of AF... http://amr.abime.net/issue_166_coverdisks

Okay, thanks for that - I found I had the AF floppy not 10 feet away. Well, I've had a bit of a play, and got the demo working with the mighty JST. (Thanks Jean-François).

Its in the Zone so if anybody wants to give the short but rather fun cover disk demo a quick try, be my guest.

No guarantees it will work on your hardware but it works here and has a quit key! :-)

Cheers.

Hungry Horace · 12 March 2008, 00:48

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Originally Posted by Angus

Its in the Zone so if anybody wants to give the short but rather fun cover disk demo a quick try, be my guest.

No guarantees it will work on your hardware but it works here and has a quit key! :-)

good news!! seems to even work on my A1200/030 - complete with quit - although i find the limits of the demo somewhat frustrating myself!

nice job though Angus. better than my own efforts!

capehorn · 11 July 2008, 01:17

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Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

@ Calgor - i'm in the process of typing the manual up, i'll upload it and link to it here when the important bits (menu navigation) are done!

Hi, did you ever upload this?

Thanks

Hungry Horace · 11 July 2008, 19:06

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Originally Posted by capehorn

Hi, did you ever upload this?

Thanks

i'll be honest - i havent finished typing it! saying that, maybe i'd have more luck using a scanner and Acrobat - if i get the time i'll give that a go

capehorn · 12 July 2008, 02:14

Thanks, I just started playing it and I'm stuck in a solar system. I thought I remembered the rules - if your the top rated player in the solar system you can move to another one the next level up, but the game won't let me move and I can't work out why.

Hungry Horace · 12 July 2008, 13:50

not enough money to get to the next system perhaps?

might just be a case of maintaining that top status before it allows you to (your ranking must be equivalent to the one you are trying to move to).... of course, you'l have to compete in a one-on-one 'chicken run' or similar before you can get into a new league!

fryguy · 12 July 2008, 15:13

About crappy games, did anyone here try out Cliffhanger?

It was released pretty late for an ECS games but it was so friggin ugly (yeah i know all movie licensed games suck but still)

TCD · 12 July 2008, 16:14

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Originally Posted by fryguy

About crappy games, did anyone here try out Cliffhanger?

It was released pretty late for an ECS games but it was so friggin ugly (yeah i know all movie licensed games suck but still)

Cliffhanger is a real movie license horror! The game even sucks more than the normal Ocean license crap. Worst thing about it is that Psygnosis was involved in the making

Graham Humphrey · 12 July 2008, 16:20

Whilst I certainly agree that Cliffhanger is beyond bad I think this is a little off-topic

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Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 26 Posts: 9,675	I think you misunderstood me slightly - I was only using Brattacas as an example. I know you don't really like it, I was saying that you did just for the sake of argument __________________ The EAB/Lemon Amiga Super League \| Round 6 - Arcade Pool \| Round 7 voting Lemon Amiga is now on YouTube and Facebook!

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musojon74 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dereham, United Kingdom Age: 39 Posts: 410	After reading your review Horace, I think I might have had a demo of this way back in time. Was it released on Atari ST too? Could you zone the adf, I'd like to try this for \ bit of nostalgia! Cheers! Jon __________________ Jon www.jonmusic.co.uk Amigas currently owned: Amiga A1200, 130mb RAM, 060/66mhz, 4gb HDD Amiga 1200, 6Mb RAM, 030/42mhz, 4gb HDD Amiga A600, 2Mb Chip, 6gb HDD

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musojon74 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dereham, United Kingdom Age: 39 Posts: 410	Cheers Horace! I'll try this after work to see if it's the same one I remember! I'd have a go at whdloading, but I'm afraid it's probably beyond my expertise (my language skills are limited to html, javascript, and some C# / ASP.net stuff.) THanks again! __________________ Jon www.jonmusic.co.uk Amigas currently owned: Amiga A1200, 130mb RAM, 060/66mhz, 4gb HDD Amiga 1200, 6Mb RAM, 030/42mhz, 4gb HDD Amiga A600, 2Mb Chip, 6gb HDD

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Calgor Amigas > Amigos Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anrea Posts: 991	This game was awesome! We played the demo from the coverdisk from I think it was AF, and wanted the full version. Great game for 2 players. 1 player not so good. Got the full (non-floppy) version, but without the manual, have no idea how to start the game!! It has all these cryptic icons for its menu. LOL.

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bippym Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 37 Posts: 8,140	I started dis-assembling it to see what is happening but right now my time is extra-limited

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capehorn Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: UK Age: 29 Posts: 549	Thanks, I just started playing it and I'm stuck in a solar system. I thought I remembered the rules - if your the top rated player in the solar system you can move to another one the next level up, but the game won't let me move and I can't work out why.

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fryguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Karlsborg, Sweden Age: 33 Posts: 464	About crappy games, did anyone here try out Cliffhanger? It was released pretty late for an ECS games but it was so friggin ugly (yeah i know all movie licensed games suck but still)

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