CAPS becomes SPS...!!!

Joe Maroni · 05 August 2005, 22:06

the website got a new update...

read more:

http://www.caps-project.org

Galaxy · 06 August 2005, 00:12

hmmmmmmmmm

I hope this does not take too much of IFW's time away from the Amiga!

Chuckles · 06 August 2005, 00:27

Me either, but if it brings us any closer to the point where they're able to produce working IPF's from some of the good dumps they have that were dual format, mfm, etc., then that will be good for the Amiga folks too.

fiath · 06 August 2005, 00:37

Well spotted x_to.

It is actually *necessary* for the Amiga since the main games that are not yet preserved are those that are dual-format, or are stored in a PC/ST disk format. Also remember that we are running out of Amiga games to do!

But the main point is that we *can* do other systems, and therefore we will.

Don't expect any results soon though.

Galaxy · 06 August 2005, 00:47

Don't get me wrong - I believe in what the guys are doing (I have after all contributed quite a large number of games). I'd just hate to see their talents split in too many competing directions.

What the CAPS, sorry SPS, team needs is more people that have the talent and commitment displayed by the current team.

fiath · 06 August 2005, 00:52

Its okay! I knew what you meant

As it happens, we have discussed doing exactly that. Probably in the form of a "system leader" that is responsible for looking after things to do with a particular system. Especially when it becomes more widespread.

Anyway, I'm off for two weeks, so just ask Interceptor if you have any queries.

andreas · 06 August 2005, 01:55

Bleh...
I will still say "CAPS", as it also pronounces like "cap(ital)s". SPS has no vowels anymore, and hence looks like "yet another software company", as almost all of their names consist of 3 letters.

Better let CAPS stay as an easy-to-remember (and now well-established!) name for the Amiga community, and - if you insist - call the rest SPS (pfff

).

Slayer · 06 August 2005, 03:02

yet again the Amiga has gone from instrumental to fast being merely a part

but never in this corner of the world...

Galaxy · 06 August 2005, 05:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreas

Bleh...
I will still say "CAPS", as it also pronounces like "cap(ital)s". SPS has no vowels anymore, and hence looks like "yet another software company", as almost all of their names consist of 3 letters.

Better let CAPS stay as an easy-to-remember (and now well-established!) name for the Amiga community, and - if you insist - call the rest SPS (pfff

).

Or you could have CAPS-PC; CAPS-Mac; CAPS-C64 etc..

CodyJarrett · 06 August 2005, 11:15

Fiath - there's a small typo on the new front page:

"Due to the shear number" -> "Due to the sheer number"

CodyJarrett · 06 August 2005, 11:29

And some missing CAPS-HOL links:

Game HOLID,CAPSID
Intrigue A La Renaissance 5316,2448
OutRun 2329,2446
Drole D'Ecole 5312,2443
Freedom - Les Guerriers de l'Ombre 3763,2297
Mysterious Worlds 5349,1588
Operation GII Demo 4417,1475
Ork Demo 5315,1452 [Infiltrator]
Mercenary II: Damocles Mission Disk 1 4981,0644
Mercenary II: Damocles Mission Disk 2 4982,0645
Cannon Soccer 4759,0165

StarEye · 06 August 2005, 11:55

When will we be able to dump PC disks? I have a couple I think.

Interceptor · 06 August 2005, 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarEye

When will we be able to dump PC disks? I have a couple I think.

you can dump them now, but only 3.5" DD disks for now. (same as amiga)

we'll look into HD disks, but we dont have an amiga HD drive at the moment to play with.

Interceptor · 06 August 2005, 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

Fiath - there's a small typo on the new front page:

"Due to the shear number" -> "Due to the sheer number"

okay, that's fixed, thanks

killergorilla · 06 August 2005, 13:48

Another grammar error on the news page:

http://www.softpres.org/page.php?id=news:2005-08-05

right down the bottom:

Quote:

So, we now be accept disk dumps for many systems.

still reading...

mr_0rga5m · 06 August 2005, 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Or you could have CAPS-PC; CAPS-Mac; CAPS-C64 etc..

Nah that would be silly .. Classic Amiga Preservation Society-PC ? ... Classic Amiga Preservation Society-Mac ?

andreas · 06 August 2005, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interceptor

you can dump them now, but only 3.5" DD disks for now. (same as amiga)

we'll look into HD disks, but we dont have an amiga HD drive at the moment to play with.

Don't forget about 5.25" disks, will ya

Chuckles · 06 August 2005, 19:28

If and when dumping 5.25" disks becomes a possibility, I have tons of original Apple II software that could be dumped, assuming I can put together the required hardware to dump them.

Interceptor · 06 August 2005, 20:22

dumping 5.25" disks requires amiga 5.25" drives. which do exist, but are quite rare.

however a slight "feature" in the dumping tool currently prevents you from dumping them. which will be fixed soon-ish.

jmmijo · 06 August 2005, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_0rga5m

Nah that would be silly .. Classic Amiga Preservation Society-PC ? ... Classic Amiga Preservation Society-Mac ?

I see your point however consider this, the Amiga should always come first

Galaxy · 06 August 2005, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_0rga5m

Nah that would be silly .. Classic Amiga Preservation Society-PC ? ... Classic Amiga Preservation Society-Mac ?

Point is CAPS is just known and referred to mostly as CAPS - most people don't really care what it stands for, and names like this preserve CAPS's roots. You can also view these other projects as extensions of CAPS, hence names like CAPS-PC are not totally inappropriate.

girv · 07 August 2005, 02:57

Looking forward to the Amstrad CPC dumps

I probably have a few disks around here somewhere...

dlfrsilver · 07 August 2005, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiath

Well spotted x_to.

It is actually *necessary* for the Amiga since the main games that are not yet preserved are those that are dual-format, or are stored in a PC/ST disk format. Also remember that we are running out of Amiga games to do!.

Nope matey CAPS/SPS is not running out of games, i have uploaded many games in my directory on your server, and they still await to be checked !!!

So, what to do ?

CodyJarrett · 07 August 2005, 21:49

SPS guys - is there a link that will display a single entry in the games section based on the ID?

e.g. the link to 2500 would display the line:

2500 Great Giana Sisters, The ...

07 August 2005, 23:28

The new name stinks. It's like spss boooorrrriiinnnngggg!!!!

Galaxy · 08 August 2005, 00:22

Yeah I though of SPSS when I saw the new name - a program which you don't really want to associate yourself with because it is pretty dodgy (at least older versions were anyway)

spiff · 08 August 2005, 10:09

Congrats on the four years, and thanks for all the goodies, if the following four will be half as much fun I’ll stick around.

As for the name, I think a UAE or LAME interpretation would have been just as fine, everyone knows changes are dangerous and almost always end in outsourcing.

Caps All Preserving Software
Caps Ain’t All Amiga Preservations Society… and so on in the good old linux tradition.

Interceptor · 08 August 2005, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

SPS guys - is there a link that will display a single entry in the games section based on the ID?

e.g. the link to 2500 would display the line:

2500 Great Giana Sisters, The ...

currently not at i'm aware of, what's it's for? should we have such a feature?

Marcuz · 08 August 2005, 18:14

congrats to the guys, i believe CAPS has been a great part of the process that has rewamped the amiga community (even if it is obviously a little community now compared to what it was), and moreover a big part of the thing that made me get back in actually play amiga games. so thanks and good luck in the new project

Interceptor · 08 August 2005, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by marco pedrana

congrats to the guys, i believe CAPS has been a great part of the process that has rewamped the amiga community (even if it is obviously a little community now compared to what it was), and moreover a big part of the thing that made me get back in actually play amiga games. so thanks and good luck in the new project

thanks!

really though, it's not a new project, just a natural progression of the existing one, the Amiga is still supported just as before, we're not going anywhere

CodyJarrett · 08 August 2005, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interceptor

currently not at i'm aware of, what's it's for? should we have such a feature?

The Hall Of Light has links from entries to the CAPS site. However, with the updates the links are now broken. For example, Great Giana Sisters links to:

http://www.caps-project.org/games.php?id=2500

Interceptor · 09 August 2005, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

The Hall Of Light has links from entries to the CAPS site. However, with the updates the links are now broken. For example, Great Giana Sisters links to:

http://www.caps-project.org/games.php?id=2500

aha, i see. it'll have to be Fiath who does that as i dont have access to that portion of the site. he's away for a couple of weeks.

this is really just for completeness i assume? since once it's fixed, you have a link from HOL, to a single line page on softpres.org, that only really has a link back to the HOL page you just came from

CodyJarrett · 23 August 2005, 19:19

Fiath - can you be of assistance here?

fiath · 24 August 2005, 10:10

Comments about SPS name: Yes, all these issues came up. However, we couldn't think of any decent alternative. Feel free to suggest something if you can think of a better one than the ones we did. We found doing so very difficult, I'm sure you will too

fiath · 24 August 2005, 10:16

Seems I completely missed this thread when I got back...

Cody: Thanks for the corrections! I'll add the game list you posted today, thanks for that!

About the ID - this is actually the first thing I fixed on getting back from holiday.

Sent something like the following to RCK a few days ago:

Please use this:
http://www.softpres.org/page.php?id=games&gameid=n

where n, is is the game id as before.

Also could you change the logo? New one is here:
http://www.softpres.org/images/banner_sps_small.gif

fiath · 24 August 2005, 10:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Another grammar error on the news page:

Fixed, thanks.

fiath · 24 August 2005, 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Nope matey CAPS/SPS is not running out of games, i have uploaded many games in my directory on your server, and they still await to be checked !!!

So, what to do ?

Yes, we are running out of games.

Sure we have games to process, but you misunderstand what I meant.

1) I said "we are running out of games". Think of the bigger picture. Sure, you may have submitted games (which is great!). But there are *far* less *good* (not broken, modified, duplicate) Amiga games being submitted now than in any time in CAPS history. In fact, far less. This is though CAPS/SPS is now bigger (as in more well known) than is ever was. The reason? It must be that we are simply running out of Amiga games to do that still exist. There will hopefully always be an inflow of new Amiga games to do, but why not try to do something good from other systems too?

2) When we *started* working on SPS (the generic hardware MFM stuff) there were no dumps left to process. Dumps being submitted after this have been been a bit side-lined, true. It has been very difficult to do both things at once - though we still have, as the releases post the MFM-stuff WIP show.

3) As far as the Amiga is concerned, we needed to do it for dual/tri-format games and Amiga games using "generic hardware MFM" disk format anyway. It is the same amount of (technical) work.

fiath · 24 August 2005, 10:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiff

As for the name, I think a UAE or LAME interpretation would have been just as fine, everyone knows changes are dangerous and almost always end in outsourcing.

Nice idea.

However, we have some formal/legal stuff coming up in the future where such names wouldn't really be appropriate. Possible. But not exactly a nice solution for the people we will be pushing our ideas at.

05 August 2005, 22:06	#1
Joe Maroni Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Age: 33 Posts: 1,051	CAPS becomes SPS...!!! the website got a new update... read more: http://www.caps-project.org

06 August 2005, 00:37	#4
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,925	Well spotted x_to. It is actually necessary for the Amiga since the main games that are not yet preserved are those that are dual-format, or are stored in a PC/ST disk format. Also remember that we are running out of Amiga games to do! But the main point is that we can do other systems, and therefore we will. Don't expect any results soon though. __________________ S.P.S. - The Software Preservation Society http://www.softpres.org

06 August 2005, 00:52	#6
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,925	Its okay! I knew what you meant As it happens, we have discussed doing exactly that. Probably in the form of a "system leader" that is responsible for looking after things to do with a particular system. Especially when it becomes more widespread. Anyway, I'm off for two weeks, so just ask Interceptor if you have any queries. __________________ S.P.S. - The Software Preservation Society http://www.softpres.org

07 August 2005, 02:57	#22
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Marcuz Wurk??? Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 37 Posts: 4,738	congrats to the guys, i believe CAPS has been a great part of the process that has rewamped the amiga community (even if it is obviously a little community now compared to what it was), and moreover a big part of the thing that made me get back in actually play amiga games. so thanks and good luck in the new project __________________ Large paintings and installations Commercial illustration

06 August 2005, 00:12	#2
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 1,418	hmmmmmmmmm I hope this does not take too much of IFW's time away from the Amiga!

06 August 2005, 00:27	#3
Chuckles The Ancient One Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kansas City/USA Age: 58 Posts: 684	Me either, but if it brings us any closer to the point where they're able to produce working IPF's from some of the good dumps they have that were dual format, mfm, etc., then that will be good for the Amiga folks too.

06 August 2005, 00:47	#5
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 1,418	Don't get me wrong - I believe in what the guys are doing (I have after all contributed quite a large number of games). I'd just hate to see their talents split in too many competing directions. What the CAPS, sorry SPS, team needs is more people that have the talent and commitment displayed by the current team.

06 August 2005, 01:55	#7
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 39 Posts: 5,858	Bleh... I will still say "CAPS", as it also pronounces like "cap(ital)s". SPS has no vowels anymore, and hence looks like "yet another software company", as almost all of their names consist of 3 letters. Better let CAPS stay as an easy-to-remember (and now well-established!) name for the Amiga community, and - if you insist - call the rest SPS (pfff ).

06 August 2005, 03:02	#8
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 46 Posts: 668	yet again the Amiga has gone from instrumental to fast being merely a part but never in this corner of the world...

06 August 2005, 11:15	#10
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 35 Posts: 5,439	Fiath - there's a small typo on the new front page: "Due to the shear number" -> "Due to the sheer number"

06 August 2005, 11:29	#11
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 35 Posts: 5,439	And some missing CAPS-HOL links: Game HOLID,CAPSID Intrigue A La Renaissance 5316,2448 OutRun 2329,2446 Drole D'Ecole 5312,2443 Freedom - Les Guerriers de l'Ombre 3763,2297 Mysterious Worlds 5349,1588 Operation GII Demo 4417,1475 Ork Demo 5315,1452 [Infiltrator] Mercenary II: Damocles Mission Disk 1 4981,0644 Mercenary II: Damocles Mission Disk 2 4982,0645 Cannon Soccer 4759,0165

06 August 2005, 11:55	#12
StarEye Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Norway Age: 35 Posts: 978	When will we be able to dump PC disks? I have a couple I think.

06 August 2005, 19:28	#18
Chuckles The Ancient One Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kansas City/USA Age: 58 Posts: 684	If and when dumping 5.25" disks becomes a possibility, I have tons of original Apple II software that could be dumped, assuming I can put together the required hardware to dump them.

06 August 2005, 20:22	#19
Interceptor SPS Nose Join Date: May 2002 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 392	dumping 5.25" disks requires amiga 5.25" drives. which do exist, but are quite rare. however a slight "feature" in the dumping tool currently prevents you from dumping them. which will be fixed soon-ish.

07 August 2005, 21:49	#24
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 35 Posts: 5,439	SPS guys - is there a link that will display a single entry in the games section based on the ID? e.g. the link to 2500 would display the line: 2500 Great Giana Sisters, The ...

07 August 2005, 23:28	#25
oldpx Posts: n/a	The new name stinks. It's like spss boooorrrriiinnnngggg!!!!

08 August 2005, 00:22	#26
Galaxy Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 35 Posts: 1,418	Yeah I though of SPSS when I saw the new name - a program which you don't really want to associate yourself with because it is pretty dodgy (at least older versions were anyway)

08 August 2005, 10:09	#27
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 621	Congrats on the four years, and thanks for all the goodies, if the following four will be half as much fun I’ll stick around. As for the name, I think a UAE or LAME interpretation would have been just as fine, everyone knows changes are dangerous and almost always end in outsourcing. Caps All Preserving Software Caps Ain’t All Amiga Preservations Society… and so on in the good old linux tradition.

23 August 2005, 19:19	#33
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 35 Posts: 5,439	Fiath - can you be of assistance here?

24 August 2005, 10:10	#34
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,925	Comments about SPS name: Yes, all these issues came up. However, we couldn't think of any decent alternative. Feel free to suggest something if you can think of a better one than the ones we did. We found doing so very difficult, I'm sure you will too __________________ S.P.S. - The Software Preservation Society http://www.softpres.org

24 August 2005, 10:16	#35
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 35 Posts: 1,925	Seems I completely missed this thread when I got back... Cody: Thanks for the corrections! I'll add the game list you posted today, thanks for that! About the ID - this is actually the first thing I fixed on getting back from holiday. Sent something like the following to RCK a few days ago: Please use this: http://www.softpres.org/page.php?id=games&gameid=n where n, is is the game id as before. Also could you change the logo? New one is here: http://www.softpres.org/images/banner_sps_small.gif __________________ S.P.S. - The Software Preservation Society http://www.softpres.org

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