WinUAE 1.0 *Issues*

[Zetr0]

okay... been using win uea for a while...
got the latest d/l V1.0 (looking forward to much WinUEA ACTION)

AND THEN

*windows resounding DONK of
*thy screen mode sh*t thy self*
MS style *

error piccaso96 libs blah blah.... update workbench:libs/picasso96 rtg.library from the winuae/amiga-programs...

okay.... this is not a problem... kinda easy...

OR SO YOU WOULD THINK!!!!!!!!

after fecking arround jumpin up PC screens. getting amiga in window mode.. getting it to boot without crashing... muchoos GRRR was in the house...

about 45mins to an hour later ---- and a hell of a lot screwing about everything just fecked up... INFACT i had to re-install an older version of WinUAE V0.9 blah-de-blah i thinks...

it works now....

it seems stable....

am i the only one with issues with V1 of WinUAE ?

[Stig]

Were the old WinUAE config files absent before you installed 1.0?.

[Zetr0]

not initially, however after 30 mins of being bounced between screen (winUEA freaking out about the size of the screen WB wants and the Screen size of the native PC (the later having to be grossly huge to get it to work... and then promptly fail boot..

SO

Interestingly enough i thought that to.. so i tried a completely different install directory and a fresh install... i then pulled in the old HDF low and behold it totaly krapped out... (

[DeAdLy_cOoKiE]

Shit happens.

Originally Posted by Zetr0

winUEA freaking out about the size of the screen WB wants and the Screen size of the native PC

You're not supposed to run WinUAE in a window that is larger than your desktop. Is this winuae's fault?

[Zetr0]

just a tad...

Native PC screen mode... 1280x1024x32

WinUAE window 1024x768x16
workbench opens 1024x768x16

imma thinking the PC had room....

irony is i had to go upto 1600x1200

before i could get rid of that anoying windows Donk (kinda change that sounds me thinks.... hmmm what ever i put is gonna get anoying)

but hoe hum....

V0.9.blahxxx is runnning really well... for the moment... lol

[Toni Wilen]

Can you post something useful like logs (especially winuaebootlog.txt), exact message etc? Your bug report is currently too confusing.. (Donk?!?)

[Sune Salminen]

I guess he means the sound Windows makes when you click on something you're not supposed to click on, or when an error message pops up.

[Zetr0]

tis a good guess, and one that is aptly right...

okay.. yes i would of posted logs if for 2 reasons...

1) if i couldn`t work out the problem by the logs (i'm not noob)
and
2) IF THERE WERE ANY!!!!!!!

winuae just wouldn`t not open under V1.0...

i have tried since and i still have the smae problem

it compains about the picasso libs rtg.library (that it has)

and once it gets past that it craps out stating screen size of WinUAE greater than current Screen or close to that...


PC native mode 1280x1024x32 ( i am one of the lucky peeps with a 21" monitor)

WinUae fullscreen RTG

WorkBench req*setup* 1024x768x16

......................

it doesn`t get to write any logs it fails and bombs out before then

the DONK is the noise windows makes when it shits itself (incase anyone was still wondering)

i was curious if anyone else had these problems and if they manage to solve them... its not life threatening ads wWINUAE v0.9 blah works fin and i have had much Raytracing time and action with leaching aminet 3dobjects dry and ..... ahhh sooo good.... IMAGINE 5.13.... ahem...

okies... hope this helps clear up any mis-information.

[Sune Salminen]

Try installing WinUAE 1.0 to a fresh folder instead of on top of your old install.
That way you'll know if it's WinUAE or your files/configuration.

[Chuckles]

Somebody needs to restrict their caffeine intake.

I didn't understand half of what he said.

[Zetr0]

You can take away our boards...

you can take away our Amigas...


BUT YOU CANNOT TAKE AWAY OUR COFFEE!!!!!!!

... *shudderes to think*

the world would be a mess without caffine...

sorry for the typos... lappy keyboard = small and my ham sized fingers = big (not the best combination)

besides its not a mistake its an artform

and at 01:14am when i post this its moving from late rennaisons to early piccasso....

)

i have tried a fresh install (from scratch) *wouldn`t load WB * it has the same probs as earlier...

I tried another PC rig thats in the house and it runs the ROMS fine but the moment you want to add a HDF it falls on its arse...

(

seems like i am doomed (will point out DOOM 3 that i got for £10 today is F*CKING AWSOME!!! and some what tooo scairy to play at this time of night...)


okies enough caffine fueled pointless ramblings for tonight me thinks...

Z.

[Stig]

I see numbers have changed...

[Zetr0]

now i have to ask, what numbers are you refering to stig?

[Dic_Ray]

Originally Posted by Zetr0

now i have to ask, what numbers are you refering to stig?

Please could you explain much more clear what's your problem?!

[Zetr0]

.sigh......... i thought i had cleared up confusion... but i will no doubt try again...

Stage 1:

1) installed WinUAE v1.0 (over WinUae 0.9xx)

2) run program, selected configuration

config details:
68040 +fpu
JIT
2x 512MB HDFS
1 PC DIR
FullScreen RTG
64MB Ram
2MB chip
0MB slow

3) upon clicking start

a)screen goes black
b) windows error sound (thats the donk)
c) main pc window returns with message

*message

please replace your libsicasso96/rtg.library with the
one from the "amiga programs" of the WinUae install

4) WinUae terminates and returns to windows.

4i) No Logs created from winuae failure

5) Booted with a workbench disk1 and replacing the rtg.library file on the WB3.1 HDF

6) closed WinUae and rebooted to above configuration

7) screen goes black and then the error sound inturrupts again *more donk*

8) error WINUAE screen size of cannot be greater than pc screen..

NFO:

PC SCREEN 1280x1024x32

WINUAE CONFIG 1024X768X16 (FULL SCREEN / RTG )

WORKBENCH OPENS SCREEN (1024X768X16)

8i) No Logs created from winuae failure

9) configuration made to boot from workbench

10) changed prefs of WB screen size.

11) reload WinUAE and following configuration


NFO:

PC SCREEN 1280x1024x32

WinUAE config (window)

Workbench (640x256x8)

12) screen goes black and then the error sound inturrupts again *more donk*

13) error WINUAE screen size of cannot be greater than pc screen..

13i) see STAGE1:#4i,#8i

14) some what anoyed at this point. break for coffee ( coffee is good )

15) increase PC screen size to maximum 1600x1200x32

16) Run WinUAE, error sound with message

*message

please replace your libsicasso96/rtg.library with the
one from the "amiga programs" of the WinUae install

17) Workbench loads up in window mode...

18) find all instances and possible instance of rtg.library and replace with the new one..
including redundancy positions

19) reboot workbench.. workbench fails to resume.

20) restart WinUae (see #16 and #17)

** as one can imagine this has taken way too long... so after fecking arorund between 16, 17, 19 and 20 for 30 mins trying to get full screen mode to work.... i said enough was enough and re-installed a fresh install (different drive) of WinUae 1.0


Stage 2:

created a new HDF for new workbench install

1) loaded Winuae with new configuration

config details:
68040 + fpu
(NO JIT)
1x 256MB HDF (ndos blank) priority 0.
1 wb3.1 adf dh0:
64MB Ram
2MB chip
0MB slow


2) Winuae result see STAGE1:#3,#4 and #4i

3) removed hdf from config, and specified 020 (no fpu) CPU

4) selected 8MB fast (instead of 64MB)

5) saved config and ran program.

6) workbench loaded

7) tried winuea with ndos adf to boot

8) perihelion booted perfectly.

9) pulled in HDF and Workbench on config

10) see STAGE1:#13i

11) said bo*lox to this and re-installed Winuae v0.9xxx and configed with original
configuration see STAGE1:#2 (worked perfectly) full screen 640x256x8


12) Winuae 0.9x running in 1024x768x16 full screen + RTG with new picasso rtg libs.


my hope is that THIS clears up any left confusion.

anyways l8rs

Z.

[Toni Wilen]

Thanks, that was very good report

winuaebootlog.txt is always written to same directory as winuae.exe. Maybe you have some weird permissions? I can't help without the logs..

[Stig]

Try the following and see what happens:

1. PC = 1024x768 32bit
2. WinUAE = 720x576 32bit + Fullscreen
3. Workbench = PAL 640x256 8bit

If it works, there's a big chance you won't have problems with bigger PC resolutions.

[Chuckles]

@Stig

That is an interesting suggestion, but I fail to see any logical reasoning that may have led to it, though I'm fairly certain there must have been one. I'm curious to know how you've reached that conclusion though, if you'd care to share your reasoning with us. Please don't take this personally, as I'm simply curious about what your reasoning is on this.

From the perspective of what "should" matter, the PC resolution should be irrelevant, the WinUAE resolution should be irrelevant so long at it matches one supported by the video card, and the Workbench resolution should be irrelevant so long as it is one that is supportable based on the selected WinUAE resolution. If that is not the case, then I would expect that the reason why would lie with software faults either in the drivers for the specific video card in use, Windows itself, or (finally) WinUAE. From a practical standpoint, you certainly can't expect a user to restrict themselves to the use of any specific resolution for the PC, WinUAE or Workbench if the emulation is well written, as I believe WinUAE to be. It has certainly worked well for me with a variety of fullscreen WinUAE resolutions, including custom ones created with PowerStrip to match the native Amiga screen resolutions.

[Stig]

PC resolution should be irrelevant indeed, although only when it matches the minimum required one for a software to run (obviosuly nothing to consider here...) but since he's having too much trouble and there doesn't seem to be an explanation for it, I thought it would be safe lowering it instead of increasing it, just in case it's something malfunctioning at driver levels.

As for the WinUAE and Workbench resolutions, they are just meant to keep image proportions in fullscreen.

[PeterK]

@Zetro

1.) Some remarks concerning the WinUAE properties: Display:
The screen dimensions, which you can choose there, are only
important for the PAL mode or the NTSC mode and anything
bigger than 800x600x16/32 is pretty useless there, in my opinion.

2.) As long as you select Fullscreen RTG, the Picasso Workbench
should never be dependant from the screensize of your Windows,
because it will open its own screen with the help of DirectX, I guess.

3.) Make sure, that there's no bootpic or anything else trying to
open a PAL/NTSC screen during boottime.

4.) Don't use Devs:Picasso96settings, because it can cause some
conflicts with WinUAE and it's really not needed and makes no sense.
So, you may have to rename or delete this file from Devs: and also
should delete Sys:Prefs/Picasso96Mode or at least NEVER use this.

5.) Check out, if the installed files: Devs:monitors/uaegfx + .info
are the original ones, which are supplied with WinUAE.

6.) Select your favourite Picasso96 screenmode from the ScreenPrefs
and test it before saving. Don't enable AutoScroll.

Hopefully, it helps...

Peter

[Zetr0]

I appreciate you help guys,

just a couple of things to mention *that i thought i had * (but i had not it would seem)

the PC screen is native to 1280x1024 (much larger than the WB or win uea screen size)

however if you note winuae keeps reporting screen size to small for it..

I scoured the logging for winuea there are absolutely NO LOGS when this was happening it wasn`t logged not a bean or im pretty sure i could of figured it out, or we could of figged it out here in half the posts!!! LOL!!!

There are no boot screen for WB HDF, I believe personally if you want that... get a PC lol *hang on i have one emulating hmmmm*

I will update (Windoze) and try again a fresh install....

let you guys know how i got on..

tnx again

Z.

[Chuckles]

I don't think I have ever seen a case where WinUAE didn't write out the standard boot log text file called winuaebootlog.txt, and as Toni said, it always writes that out to the same directory that WinUAE.exe is located in. Are you 100% sure that you're looking for it in the right place? Failing that, have you performed a search to see if a file by that name is lurking somewhere on your hard drive?

[Zetr0]

yes.....

EVERYWHERE

searched all drives *including the 2 network drives at the time for safe measure* for the following

winuaebootlog.txt ( the 2 found were from previous versions as V1.0 did not write a log )
to be sure i searched for *.log and *took 15 mins to complete where as *.txt offerd me the opportunity to watch an episode of CSI before it was complete lol...

at present i am blaming WinXP but i am having trouble ith the grounds of that as it is running WinUae0.9x super smoothly...

but hey, this is windows and nothing is for sure on windows.........

let me grab the opportunity to update this windoze behemoth and try again...

tnx for the advice, appreciate it.

l8rz

Z.

[jmbattle]

This chap is crazy...

James

[Chuckles]

Searching for *.log by the way would be a completely pointless exercise, since (as stated before) the name of the file is winuaebootlog.txt, but if one merely wishes to keep ones PC busy doing something, it does serve that purpose I suppose. By the way, if you were not aware of it already, the default behavior of the search function in XP is rather flawed, as it has its own ideas about which files should be looked at when (for example) looking for all files containing a given string. It can be taught to behave like a proper search does, but that is not its default behavior.

[Zetr0]

at the time Chuckles... i had seriously no hair left.. and since EVERYONE was going on about log files.. *and YES I HAVE USED THEM BEFORE* THERE WAS NONE!!!!

tried *.txt just incase i missed it or winuae 1.0 had put them in another dir...

NOTHING!!!!!!

so at the time tried *.log

N O N E as in

NOT A BEAN

NOT A SAUSAGE

NO FECKING *.txt OR *.log for WINUAE 1.0

.... okay...

you got that..... ( I WILL SAY IT AGAIN ) WinUAE v1.0 DID NOT LOG.....

if it had of done (which i mentioned in a previous post i would posted it and we could all of solved in half the time.. )

WinUAE0.9xx is smooth and stable... i will try again another time...

p.s.

@James
.... remember sanity is reserved for those that cannot handle reality !!!!

p.p.s

WINUAE v1.0 DID NOT LOG IT FAULTS
(Your guess is as good as mine FYI permission are not the problem)...


sheeesh..........................

l8rs Z.

[Stig]

Try this, just to know if it's unable to write winuaelog.txt as well.

[Chuckles]

A good suggestion. If it does, then it should also end up in the same directory as the executable, which would raise the question of why the normal boot log did not. I do know that 1.0 does write the boot log on my machine, so I would suspect that if for any reason it can't do so on his, then I'd certainly be curious about why it can't. I'm running under 98SE myself rather than XP, so I suppose that could have something to do with it, but I somehow doubt that everyone running XP is unable to get the boot log written out, or surely someone would have noticed that during beta testing already.

The main point of my previous reply though was simply to point out that the find function in XP was changed quite a bit from previous versions, and so it can fail to find files you'd expect it to find, even when you know that they are there. This is what Microsoft calls a "feature", and it can be fixed so that it will behave properly, but it won't do so after a fresh install of XP.

[Zetr0]

@Stig
sounds like a plan i must admit i didn`t even get to check that bit (illegal memadr) when i had WinUAE1.0 installed...

so when i get round to trying it out i will let you know how i got on....


@Chuckles
sheesh 98se... well it takes all sorts (I remember those heady days of 98 *Special Edition* reboots a day ).

I understand it is some what uncommon for WinUAE1.0 not to have logs but this

a) does not mean i am a noob and cant open directories
b) not intellegent enough to work through a log
c) not equiped enough to post a log if i had one.

makes me wonder how i got my computing degree(s)..... ahhh that will be either
(a) my yummy good looks
(b) willingness to sleep my way to the top
or
(c) all of the above


anyways appreciate the help and thoughts.

let you know how i got on...
l8rs Z.

[Chuckles]

One begins to get the impression that you're a bit defensive, which seems needless to me. I've never suggested that you were a "noob" or that you lacked reasoning skills, etc., so there is no need to begin citing your qualifications, nor will I bore you with mine. I merely point out that if 1.0 were unable to write a boot log on the average beta tester's system, then it would surely have been pointed out by several folks, and that suggests that whatever the cause of the problem is must be something relatively unique to your setup (and I can't even imagine what that might be). As for the deficiencies in XP's default search, I bring that up because when we upgraded our laptops at work to XP some time ago, we quickly found that the search had become useless to us for all intents and purposes, so if you haven't modified it, you're likely to get tripped up by it from time to time. That wasn't meant to imply that you couldn't manage to manually search for a file in a directory and find it, though the same can't necessarily be said for the XP search function, depending on the parameters you give it.

[Zetr0]

please dont get me wrong Chuckles, I really appreciate all the help and advice that these boards and its members offer..

if i sounded defensive perhaps it is because i had pointed out ever other post that once you click start on WinUAE v1.0 it just bombs and it had not gotten to the bit where it appends/creates the log thusly no logs for me to find... no matter where one looks...

Chuckles i cited that i had qualifications (to point the fact i know what to look for etc) not the qualifications in them selfs (we as i am sure most people here) would be here all day..

so i have a better idea....

You and i can *discuss* and *mediate* the win XP searching system *including sus alogorythm* over some serious amounts of apple pie (and for you non-americans out there i am not on about the food)

i think that sounds like a plan... ... ... yeah i like that....

l8rs

Z.

[Chuckles]

Are you attempting to launch 1.0 by double clicking on a config file, or are you double clicking on the executable itself? The answer to that question is not immediately apparent to me from a brief scan of your earliest posts, but I ask for a reason. You say that WinUAE bombs before it reaches the point where it creates winuaebootlog.txt, however if the GUI appears at all, then you have already gone past the point in the program where it creates the log. On my system at least, the log will have already been created before the GUI ever appears. In the third post in this thread though, you say that you "then pulled in the old HDF low and behold it totaly krapped out", and if I'm interpreting that correctly, then it sounds like you were in the GUI (on the Hard Drives page). If so, then you were most definitely well past the point where winuaebootlog.txt is written out. The question then would be why it either wasn't written out, or if it was, why it had vanished by the time you went looking for it.

The problem with your posts is simply that they tend to ramble on and on, laced with sarcasm (no doubt due to being frustrated by the problem), yet they fail to include enough information in many cases to give anyone much of a chance to help you diagnose the problem you're having. By the time we get down to the 17th post in the thread, it finally seems clear that at least the GUI is coming up (and so the log should already have been written), but until that point it takes a lot of reading between the lines to be sure that's the case. Most of the folks who have enough knowledge of how the program works (Toni especially, I would think) are going to be less likely to take the time to search for clues in a long post that meanders off topic than they would if the post were more to the point. The end result is that you end up getting less help from the folks here than you might otherwise, and that does you no good. Just a suggestion.

[Adeptus]

Originally Posted by Zetr0

before i could get rid of that anoying windows Donk (kinda change that sounds me thinks.... hmmm what ever i put is gonna get anoying)

(off-topic, but...)
My fave sound for Windows error is the "Oh No!" sound from Lemmings