WHDLoad compilation CDs on eBay

girv · 08 March 2005, 01:29

Narked of Northern Ireland writes:

I see CDs like this on eBay all the time - some guy has downloaded a bunch of JST & WHD installers, whipped up a quick index page and cheesy label, burned the lot to CD-R and is now charging for the privilege of using it. This narks me right off as he's profiting from work that I and, to a much greater extent, JOTD, Wepl and JST / WHD patch authors have done in our spare time for free.

Can I do anything to stop the sale of such items? Or should I just lighten up and worry about something important instead

?

dlfrsilver · 08 March 2005, 02:59

Hi John,

Just report to ebay this guy is selling programs he's not allowed to sell on ebay.
Tell them you are one of the guys who create these installers.
Others Whdload programmers should join with you to charge this guy and then Ebay should remove and obliterate this "illegal and inadequate" auction.

cheers !!

Akira · 08 March 2005, 05:13

I reported it, saw it bfore reading the thread! I hope the auciton gets cancelled, the more reports it eceives, teh greater chancs of this happening.

TheBoss · 08 March 2005, 08:33

Very dissapointed in how some Amiga fans behave!

Methanoid · 08 March 2005, 09:32

Actually what is MOST disappointing is how slow and lackadaisical Ebay is in responding to this sort of stuff. It happens ALL the time..... How easy did you find to get the link to report it? 10 minutes? 15 minutes?

Why not have a "Report this listing as violating Ebay policies" link on each listing?

Seen many where people say "Add 3.4% for PayPal"? Not allowed under Ebay T&C but happens all the time!

Akira · 08 March 2005, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methanoid

Actually what is MOST disappointing is how slow and lackadaisical Ebay is in responding to this sort of stuff. It happens ALL the time..... How easy did you find to get the link to report it? 10 minutes? 15 minutes?

Why not have a "Report this listing as violating Ebay policies" link on each listing?

Indeed man. The report process is a pain in the arse, definitely NOT straightforward. It seems like they don't give a fuck unless you are a part of the VERO program.

The CD32-200 discs I reported probably got sold and all before they were taken down. They cancelled the least "un-legit" of the 3 auctions immediately but left the completely pirate shits alive. WTF?

Methanoid · 08 March 2005, 15:07

What it needs is some (c) owner to name Ebay in an action for failing to make sufficient effort to remove pirate items.

I'm not claiming to be anti-piracy per se but the idea of flogging other peoples work is quite insulting to them. If there is ANY money to be made from old games (and I doubt it) then it must go to those who wrote them (and similar with WHDLoad patches).

Akira · 08 March 2005, 16:12

I think exactly like you in this subject.

Firthy2002 · 08 March 2005, 17:16

It's disgraceful.

sarek2k · 08 March 2005, 17:20

Ebay pisses me off big time if it's any corporate piracy (ie anything by M$ or Hollywood) they jump straight on it when it's the little guys getting ripped off they don't give a toss! not to mention all the dodgy HK goods that are sold that are quite clearly fakes if u get them at all!

bippym · 08 March 2005, 17:55

Guess i'll have to chuck my demodvd on there :P

icewizard2k5 · 09 March 2005, 00:07

"Will work with virtually your whole game collection"

yeh ok...

as for the cheek of doing the cd.. yeh this guys an arse.
but you also gotta think for a minute, all the installers are accessible for FREE download on the net. you need the net to access ebay. so you if purchased the cd youre a dumb fuck.

whdload rules register today!

Peanutuk · 09 March 2005, 00:39

If you are a VERO member you get an email address and a phone number direct to a human who deals with the issue within hours. If you enter your query into the web based submission process your email gets added to which ever worldwide ebay division, in your language, has the shortest backlog. Most of the time a backlog is a at least 5 days, by that time, as the above have mentioned, most auctions have ended.

Maybe a potential project for an amiga enthusiast is to contact individual programmers or copyright owners in order to register their claims to the programs that are being abused? You could then quickly and legitimately act on their behalf to stop pirates making a profit out of their crimes. After all, for all the usefulness of pirates and 'crackers' without the original programmers there wouldn' t be anything to crack; they are the people to be celebrated and defended.

EmuChicken · 09 March 2005, 16:22

Totally takes teh piss.. Soon as I saw that ebay page me = disgusted...

If its illegal pirate MS products I wouldnt give a flying !u&* ... Its just the amount of effort by a handfull of people is going out the window to some stupid guy cashing in , it takes the pish - lock him up!

girv · 09 March 2005, 16:44

A new auction has appeared here.

I've contacted eBay. Breath is not being held

Big-Byte · 09 March 2005, 17:32

If you look at the other items the guy is selling then there is a fair chance that the guy doesnt anything about the Amiga - to him its probably just another DVD.

Im seen stalls at many computer fairs with exactly the same 'products' - a mixture of budget titles / educational titles and dubious titles (phone unlocker software / free internet tv etc..) as what he is selling so I think there is probably some wholesaler somewhere who is selling mixed lots of these titles to people who dont have a clue!

girv · 09 March 2005, 17:47

Got a reply from the guy:

Quote:

Please tell me more as I am buying them from a company called Butterfly Media who assured me that all publisher rights had been cared for, and if they were not I would not sell the software, so please supply me with all your details and I will approach Butterfly Media. Regards

The plot thickens...

EmuChicken · 09 March 2005, 18:02

You mean the manufacturers of the DVDs? What an idiot!

http://www.butterflymedia.com/webfiles/p_dvdr.asp

oh wait, heres another looks more like it
http://www.butterfly-media.co.uk/PRODUCTS.htm

alexh · 09 March 2005, 18:26

If you didnt already know this is a pheonix of the UK Amiga retailer (and quite famous) Epic.

http://www.amigastuff.co.uk/index.htm

Beware: Everything they sell is CD-R / DVD-R even old CD32 titles.

Peanutuk · 09 March 2005, 18:43

This ebay seller seems to be getting rather annoyed with people like yourselves

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...176394240&rd=1

sarek2k · 09 March 2005, 18:48

Hey Alex was just looking at this thread and yeah know what you mean about pheonix (Epic in Amiga mags) and i thought the graphics / style of the ebay adverts looked familiar

i have no problem with ppl selling on a copy they've bought and got bored with but not 10 copies and then another 10

Akira · 09 March 2005, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peanutuk

This ebay seller seems to be getting rather annoyed with people like yourselves

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...176394240&rd=1

The fuck wih that guy. That shit iis illegal everywhere, even in HMV.

sarek2k · 09 March 2005, 19:47

DUPLICATED or COPIED EMULATOR MEDIA IS ILLEGAL YES!!
This one is NEITHER.

ha ha it's getting funny now lol

as far as i remeber you are not allowed to sell roms on the same media as the emulator wheather it be silver masterd disc or 20p cdr media it's exactly the same thing putting a fancy label on it dosent make it legal. Also just about every coder who makes an emulator dosen't want it distributed with roms!

EmuChicken · 09 March 2005, 23:02

hey! Amigastuff looks EXACTLY like www.amigagames.co.uk (NOTE - NOT the great forum! amigagames.com!)

And if anyone wants to try somet... its possible to order MINUS copies, so you'd infact GAIN money from these robbing bast**s!

*note- HMV DID sell these cd's, both the Amiga, C64, and Spectrum ones

icewizard2k5 · 09 March 2005, 23:43

"DUPLICATED or COPIED EMULATOR MEDIA IS ILLEGAL YES!!
This one is NEITHER."

Geez this dude is a fuckhead. what the fuck does it mean duplicated or copied??

that would apply if you bought a commercially licensed emulator such as Amiga Forever but it seems to me that these cds of his are just downloaded and burnt at home.

are we sposed to think its a legit cd becuase it has a fuckin sticker on it??

i bet if you bought this emulator product the first message you'd get when you booted it up would be
"NOT FOR SALE OR DISTRIBUTION WITH ROMS"

dipshit

alexh · 09 March 2005, 23:53

I think he's trying to claim they are "silver" ones.

Firthy2002 · 10 March 2005, 00:15

Getting some silvers pressed ain't exactly difficult.

Peanutuk · 10 March 2005, 00:28

He's full of crap like the rest of them. Chances are he has no idea what he is selling and is merely reselling anything that those 'drop shippers' will supply. If people keep complaining he will be suspended for repeatedly relisting items that he has been warned not to list. Once removed all previous closed auctions are removed from the site too.

Akira · 10 March 2005, 00:43

I hope he does get suspended

girv · 14 March 2005, 02:23

OK so I've got a couple of WHDLoad installers ready for release, but I'd like to release them with a licence that prohibits distribution on sold-for-profit compilation CDs like these ones while still allowing free distribution otherwise.

Any suggestions for the wording? I have some in mind but I'd like to hear others' ideas first

sarek2k · 14 March 2005, 02:27

yeah like "NOT TO BE SOLD ON EBAY AT ANY COST!"
that would be the best start! and paste it all over the files

girv · 14 March 2005, 02:38

oooh, subtle

Akira · 14 March 2005, 03:37

Or
"NOT TO BE SOLD BY CUNTS ON EBAY. PROSECUTION AND CASTRATION WILL BE ENFORCED."

I'm not mcuh into legal terms but my girl's parents are lawyers and I can ask them if you want.

Have you checked any of the Creative Commons licenses? I think WHDLoad installers should be released under one of their licenses, see if they have one for you or any WHDLoad nistall maker to use:
http://creativecommons.org/

woody57 · 14 March 2005, 03:54

How about " If you paid for this file you have been CONNED " nobody likes to think they have been made a fool of

Methanoid · 14 March 2005, 11:50

This listing (8176394240) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly.

YES! Anyone remember his username and we can police all his auctions!

TheBoss · 14 March 2005, 12:09

YEY EAB wins today

Akira · 14 March 2005, 16:47

Cool stuff
the listing will appear again probably, so keep those eyes peeled.

EmuChicken · 14 March 2005, 23:36

Definately involve castration!

Castration + law = lots of trouble :-D

alexh · 15 March 2005, 09:49

He's not listening

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...176117138&rd=1

TheBoss · 15 March 2005, 09:50

Grrr report him again!

08 March 2005, 01:29	#1
girv Reticulator of Splines Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 920	WHDLoad compilation CDs on eBay Narked of Northern Ireland writes: I see CDs like this on eBay all the time - some guy has downloaded a bunch of JST & WHD installers, whipped up a quick index page and cheesy label, burned the lot to CD-R and is now charging for the privilege of using it. This narks me right off as he's profiting from work that I and, to a much greater extent, JOTD, Wepl and JST / WHD patch authors have done in our spare time for free. Can I do anything to stop the sale of such items? Or should I just lighten up and worry about something important instead ? __________________ [ girvnet is good for you \| girv dot net ]

08 March 2005, 02:59	#2
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-ExtADF Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 35 Posts: 4,517	Hi John, Just report to ebay this guy is selling programs he's not allowed to sell on ebay. Tell them you are one of the guys who create these installers. Others Whdload programmers should join with you to charge this guy and then Ebay should remove and obliterate this "illegal and inadequate" auction. cheers !! __________________ Denis

08 March 2005, 08:33	#4
TheBoss Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denmark Age: 31 Posts: 819	Very dissapointed in how some Amiga fans behave! __________________ For Amiga Fans! (CDTV/CD32) Custom CD32 Cover Archive! (Offline) Hardware: Amiga 500 & CD32/SX32 Pro (50MHz 030+FPU,16MB, CF-HD 1GB)

08 March 2005, 09:32	#5
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 47 Posts: 1,441	Actually what is MOST disappointing is how slow and lackadaisical Ebay is in responding to this sort of stuff. It happens ALL the time..... How easy did you find to get the link to report it? 10 minutes? 15 minutes? Why not have a "Report this listing as violating Ebay policies" link on each listing? Seen many where people say "Add 3.4% for PayPal"? Not allowed under Ebay T&C but happens all the time! __________________ The thoughts of Chairman Methanoid at http://methanoid.blogspot.com

08 March 2005, 15:07	#7
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 47 Posts: 1,441	What it needs is some (c) owner to name Ebay in an action for failing to make sufficient effort to remove pirate items. I'm not claiming to be anti-piracy per se but the idea of flogging other peoples work is quite insulting to them. If there is ANY money to be made from old games (and I doubt it) then it must go to those who wrote them (and similar with WHDLoad patches). __________________ The thoughts of Chairman Methanoid at http://methanoid.blogspot.com

08 March 2005, 05:13	#3
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	I reported it, saw it bfore reading the thread! I hope the auciton gets cancelled, the more reports it eceives, teh greater chancs of this happening.

08 March 2005, 16:12	#8
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	I think exactly like you in this subject.

08 March 2005, 17:16	#9
Firthy2002 Never played on an Atari! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Leeds, England Age: 29 Posts: 258	It's disgraceful. __________________ -=Firthy2002=- --------------- My LiveJournal

08 March 2005, 17:20	#10
sarek2k E.A.B Addict and Proud Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 45 Posts: 543	Ebay pisses me off big time if it's any corporate piracy (ie anything by M$ or Hollywood) they jump straight on it when it's the little guys getting ripped off they don't give a toss! not to mention all the dodgy HK goods that are sold that are quite clearly fakes if u get them at all! __________________ Sarek2k

08 March 2005, 17:55	#11
bippym Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 37 Posts: 8,139	Guess i'll have to chuck my demodvd on there :P

09 March 2005, 00:07	#12
icewizard2k5 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Age: 27 Posts: 200	"Will work with virtually your whole game collection" yeh ok... as for the cheek of doing the cd.. yeh this guys an arse. but you also gotta think for a minute, all the installers are accessible for FREE download on the net. you need the net to access ebay. so you if purchased the cd youre a dumb fuck. whdload rules register today!

09 March 2005, 00:39	#13
Peanutuk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The North, UK Age: 34 Posts: 1,067	If you are a VERO member you get an email address and a phone number direct to a human who deals with the issue within hours. If you enter your query into the web based submission process your email gets added to which ever worldwide ebay division, in your language, has the shortest backlog. Most of the time a backlog is a at least 5 days, by that time, as the above have mentioned, most auctions have ended. Maybe a potential project for an amiga enthusiast is to contact individual programmers or copyright owners in order to register their claims to the programs that are being abused? You could then quickly and legitimately act on their behalf to stop pirates making a profit out of their crimes. After all, for all the usefulness of pirates and 'crackers' without the original programmers there wouldn' t be anything to crack; they are the people to be celebrated and defended. __________________ T-shirts

09 March 2005, 16:22	#14
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 30 Posts: 703	Totally takes teh piss.. Soon as I saw that ebay page me = disgusted... If its illegal pirate MS products I wouldnt give a flying !u&* ... Its just the amount of effort by a handfull of people is going out the window to some stupid guy cashing in , it takes the pish - lock him up!

09 March 2005, 16:44	#15
girv Reticulator of Splines Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 920	he's done it again A new auction has appeared here. I've contacted eBay. Breath is not being held __________________ [ girvnet is good for you \| girv dot net ]

09 March 2005, 17:32	#16
Big-Byte Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: UK Posts: 728	If you look at the other items the guy is selling then there is a fair chance that the guy doesnt anything about the Amiga - to him its probably just another DVD. Im seen stalls at many computer fairs with exactly the same 'products' - a mixture of budget titles / educational titles and dubious titles (phone unlocker software / free internet tv etc..) as what he is selling so I think there is probably some wholesaler somewhere who is selling mixed lots of these titles to people who dont have a clue! __________________ Big-Byte

09 March 2005, 18:02	#18
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 30 Posts: 703	You mean the manufacturers of the DVDs? What an idiot! http://www.butterflymedia.com/webfiles/p_dvdr.asp oh wait, heres another looks more like it http://www.butterfly-media.co.uk/PRODUCTS.htm Last edited by EmuChicken; 09 March 2005 at 18:04. Reason: anothr

09 March 2005, 18:26	#19
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,511	If you didnt already know this is a pheonix of the UK Amiga retailer (and quite famous) Epic. http://www.amigastuff.co.uk/index.htm Beware: Everything they sell is CD-R / DVD-R even old CD32 titles. __________________ Thalion Webshrine Last edited by alexh; 09 March 2005 at 18:31.

09 March 2005, 18:43	#20
Peanutuk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The North, UK Age: 34 Posts: 1,067	This ebay seller seems to be getting rather annoyed with people like yourselves http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...176394240&rd=1 __________________ T-shirts

09 March 2005, 18:48	#21
sarek2k E.A.B Addict and Proud Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 45 Posts: 543	Hey Alex was just looking at this thread and yeah know what you mean about pheonix (Epic in Amiga mags) and i thought the graphics / style of the ebay adverts looked familiar i have no problem with ppl selling on a copy they've bought and got bored with but not 10 copies and then another 10 __________________ Sarek2k

09 March 2005, 19:47	#23
sarek2k E.A.B Addict and Proud Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 45 Posts: 543	DUPLICATED or COPIED EMULATOR MEDIA IS ILLEGAL YES!! This one is NEITHER. ha ha it's getting funny now lol as far as i remeber you are not allowed to sell roms on the same media as the emulator wheather it be silver masterd disc or 20p cdr media it's exactly the same thing putting a fancy label on it dosent make it legal. Also just about every coder who makes an emulator dosen't want it distributed with roms! __________________ Sarek2k

09 March 2005, 23:02	#24
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 30 Posts: 703	hey! Amigastuff looks EXACTLY like www.amigagames.co.uk (NOTE - NOT the great forum! amigagames.com!) And if anyone wants to try somet... its possible to order MINUS copies, so you'd infact GAIN money from these robbing bast*s! note- HMV DID sell these cd's, both the Amiga, C64, and Spectrum ones Attached Thumbnails

09 March 2005, 23:43	#25
icewizard2k5 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Age: 27 Posts: 200	"DUPLICATED or COPIED EMULATOR MEDIA IS ILLEGAL YES!! This one is NEITHER." Geez this dude is a fuckhead. what the fuck does it mean duplicated or copied?? that would apply if you bought a commercially licensed emulator such as Amiga Forever but it seems to me that these cds of his are just downloaded and burnt at home. are we sposed to think its a legit cd becuase it has a fuckin sticker on it?? i bet if you bought this emulator product the first message you'd get when you booted it up would be "NOT FOR SALE OR DISTRIBUTION WITH ROMS" dipshit

09 March 2005, 23:53	#26
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 10,511	I think he's trying to claim they are "silver" ones. __________________ Thalion Webshrine

10 March 2005, 00:15	#27
Firthy2002 Never played on an Atari! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Leeds, England Age: 29 Posts: 258	Getting some silvers pressed ain't exactly difficult. __________________ -=Firthy2002=- --------------- My LiveJournal

10 March 2005, 00:28	#28
Peanutuk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The North, UK Age: 34 Posts: 1,067	He's full of crap like the rest of them. Chances are he has no idea what he is selling and is merely reselling anything that those 'drop shippers' will supply. If people keep complaining he will be suspended for repeatedly relisting items that he has been warned not to list. Once removed all previous closed auctions are removed from the site too. __________________ T-shirts

10 March 2005, 00:43	#29
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	I hope he does get suspended

14 March 2005, 02:23	#30
girv Reticulator of Splines Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 920	OK so I've got a couple of WHDLoad installers ready for release, but I'd like to release them with a licence that prohibits distribution on sold-for-profit compilation CDs like these ones while still allowing free distribution otherwise. Any suggestions for the wording? I have some in mind but I'd like to hear others' ideas first __________________ [ girvnet is good for you \| girv dot net ]

14 March 2005, 02:27	#31
sarek2k E.A.B Addict and Proud Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 45 Posts: 543	yeah like "NOT TO BE SOLD ON EBAY AT ANY COST!" that would be the best start! and paste it all over the files __________________ Sarek2k

14 March 2005, 02:38	#32
girv Reticulator of Splines Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 920	oooh, subtle __________________ [ girvnet is good for you \| girv dot net ]

14 March 2005, 03:37	#33
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	Or "NOT TO BE SOLD BY CUNTS ON EBAY. PROSECUTION AND CASTRATION WILL BE ENFORCED." I'm not mcuh into legal terms but my girl's parents are lawyers and I can ask them if you want. Have you checked any of the Creative Commons licenses? I think WHDLoad installers should be released under one of their licenses, see if they have one for you or any WHDLoad nistall maker to use: http://creativecommons.org/

14 March 2005, 03:54	#34
woody57 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Age: 90 Posts: 801	How about " If you paid for this file you have been CONNED " nobody likes to think they have been made a fool of

14 March 2005, 11:50	#35
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 47 Posts: 1,441	This listing (8176394240) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. YES! Anyone remember his username and we can police all his auctions! __________________ The thoughts of Chairman Methanoid at http://methanoid.blogspot.com

14 March 2005, 12:09	#36
TheBoss Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denmark Age: 31 Posts: 819	YEY EAB wins today __________________ For Amiga Fans! (CDTV/CD32) Custom CD32 Cover Archive! (Offline) Hardware: Amiga 500 & CD32/SX32 Pro (50MHz 030+FPU,16MB, CF-HD 1GB)

14 March 2005, 16:47	#37
Akira Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: # Posts: 12,584	Cool stuff the listing will appear again probably, so keep those eyes peeled.

14 March 2005, 23:36	#38
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 30 Posts: 703	Definately involve castration! Castration + law = lots of trouble :-D