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Old 29 July 2004, 06:10   #21
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The value could come from the actual monetary value of the items in the collection, or from the effort taken to collect such items
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Does this mean that George's Complete Amiga TOSEC collection is worth more than Bungle's, because George downloaded his on a 56k modem over several months and with many many hangup headaches and Bungle downloaded it in a day because he has a super-fat connection ?
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No. It's the same thing......<cut>
IMHO it takes considerably more effort (and not to mention time) to download a whole TOSEC set using a 14.4kbps modem as compared to a T1 line. You stated (see first line) that effort collecting was involved in the valuation - therfore George's collection is worth considerably more than Bungle's. And I'm not even gonna bother mentioning the collection's of Rod, Jane & Freddy
 
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Old 29 July 2004, 06:14   #22
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Yours was an unfortunate situation really. But if you're on broadband, keep computer turned on, have the space, know a patient ftp owner you just drag&drop some files in a few minutes and hey you have the archive in few hours/days/weeks depending on the size. Most of the files won't be used in your lifetime but you can't know which of them, and if it doesn't hurt to get them, why shouldn't you? I stress the hurting part, your experiences weren't nice I see Don't think I don't understand your situation. I'm struggling to remain on broadband, it's expensive and unstable here and it was a lot worse in recent past.

That's for example a lot better than paying for CDs. In my utopic world people that sell pirate cds are the only ones subject to death penalty
 
Old 29 July 2004, 06:20   #23
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Anyhow.

For those who didn't know, this thread and whole argument can be solved with a simple formula:

s = p - ((g/1024) * (x/c))




s = size of penis
p = potential size of penis (you'll never know what this was!)
g = gigabytes of ROMz on hard disk
x = number of ex-girlfriends
c = computer systems owned


 
Old 29 July 2004, 06:28   #24
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I simply hoarde stuff, I buy stuff I wont use just to have it

I have now got 7 Amigas, will I use all 4 A500s? or both a500+? I doubt it!!

If I think it is cheap enough I buy it!!!
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Old 29 July 2004, 07:57   #25
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But if you're on broadband, keep computer turned on, have the space, know a patient ftp owner you just drag&drop some files in a few minutes and hey you have the archive in few hours/days/weeks depending on the size.
That's what I mean. With a modem it takes longer but the effort is still ZERO.
But it's pointless to argue with Jim when he starts playing the devil's advocate game he likes to play so much online... ;D
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Old 29 July 2004, 10:30   #26
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Collections of real boxed items are ofcourse more satisfying than 'roms' and since far more time seems to be spent on actually collecting then playing the games it makes alot more sense. Having got hold of a few more orginals myself , it is exciting to have the original box and artwork, especially if it only costs you a few quid instead of the 30+ it may of cost back in the day.

However I think there is something in the male gene that encourages this kind of anal collectivism; creating a dire need to complete a collection. At least one thing can be said for video game collecting - that it is fully intereactive and allows the user to interact in history, witnessing the improvement of technology and design. This contrasts against other classic forms of collecting such as stamps or rare vinyl which haven't progressed very much over the decades and risk worthlessness or destruction if you should ever actually "use" them.
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Old 29 July 2004, 13:56   #27
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What does he say? He's not playing shit. You agreed that you are not playing anything either.
Wrong... he leeches just to complete a "collection", with no intention of playing.
I on the other hand don't play most of my games, because i don't have time to do it, or else i would be playing it right now.
There is a difference between, downloading stuff just "to have it" and downloading stuff you want to use but don't have the time to do it...

oh well, just my 2 cents...

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Old 29 July 2004, 14:17   #28
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To this day I still find it bloody amazing that hundreds of thousands of games spanning almost 30 years and across god knows how many platforms are all sat in a little box inside my computer...Am I alone in this feeling of wonder?
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I find it amazing how much computers have progressed in the last 20 years but we still have to upgrade every year or so just to play the newest games at a decent framerate! Its funny how technology progresses but the state of gaming hasn't gone anywhere (maybe even down a bit in the gameplay department).

In the same 20 years cars have improved quite a bit (safer, no more rustbuckets, can put more miles on them, less maintenance, HP has gone up, MPG has gone up, emissions have dropped, luxury has gone up, handle better, better ride, etc).
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Old 29 July 2004, 15:55   #30
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Collecting is not amassing game images off FTP's and stuff.
Well, that's not quite right. Collecting is just that - collecting. Gathering stuff. Whether it's adf's of games (or scene demos, for that matter), actual boxed games, books, stamps, cracker intros, music cd's, music mods, porn... whatever, really. Doesn't matter if the items are just a bunch of data on a disk or physical items.

I agree it's more fun to collect real world stuff than files on the computer, but it can be very satisfying to collect various types of files (probably including Amiga games in adf form) too.
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Old 29 July 2004, 19:30   #31
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Well, back in the old C64 days I collected cracked games and until about 1998 I had a huge collection !
But then more and more collection-projects like e.g. Gamebase-64 were born and they got nearly everything I have because they worked worldwide over the internet. So, at this time I realised collecting cracked games is pretty useless as everyone can have that Gamebase-CDs in a few hours for something I have collected for several years !! Thats also a reason I didn't want to send some rare titles to Gamebase.

But, then I started to collect hardware as this is something you can really collect since it isn't copyable And so I think like Akira has already said, collecting ADFs or other disk-images or ROM files is totally useless.
Only collecting hardware or original games makes sense.
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Old 29 July 2004, 20:25   #32
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I simply hoarde stuff, I buy stuff I wont use just to have it

I have now got 7 Amigas, will I use all 4 A500s? or both a500+? I doubt it!!

If I think it is cheap enough I buy it!!!
Same as me mate, I have a collection of about 1000 boxed originals and must have actually played less than 10. I have gone cold turkey for the last 6 months and seem to be cured
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A collection of games on a cd/dvd is worth just as much as snot on a jar (except in one of the cases it would be considered art and would therefore have a higher value).

I think of it as, it's not the actual GAME that's any value, but the physical evidence of it's existance (sort of). I have a small mountain of amiga games, but if I wanted to, I could have all these on a single dvd, and even more. But it wouldn't be worth shit. It's like people bragging about their number of playstation games, when 99% of them are pirated copies. If people as me how many games I have, I NEVER EVER count the pirated ones. That would just be stupid.

You CAN have a collection of roms/warez, but that's what it is. It's a ROM-collection and a warez-collectin. It will take something special to actually be able to brag about it and impress anybody, because that would be like cutting the grass in the backyard, put them in a box and then try to impress people by showing how much grass you have (and I mean the ordinary kind). It's something that doesn't take an effort to get hold of, AND it's not even remotely rare.

I respect people who wants to collect millions of worthless warez/roms/gamez just as much as I respect any other man on the street. However, the only people you'd impress by a collection like that would be pre-puberty teenagers who looks up to you because you roXXor.
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Old 29 July 2004, 20:52   #34
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I think of it as, it's not the actual GAME that's any value, but the physical evidence of it's existance (sort of).
How about a collection of shareware games?
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Old 29 July 2004, 21:21   #35
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A collection of games on a cd/dvd is worth just as much as snot on a jar (except in one of the cases it would be considered art and would therefore have a higher value).

I think of it as, it's not the actual GAME that's any value, but the physical evidence of it's existance (sort of). I have a small mountain of amiga games, but if I wanted to, I could have all these on a single dvd, and even more. But it wouldn't be worth shit. It's like people bragging about their number of playstation games, when 99% of them are pirated copies. If people as me how many games I have, I NEVER EVER count the pirated ones. That would just be stupid.

You CAN have a collection of roms/warez, but that's what it is. It's a ROM-collection and a warez-collectin. It will take something special to actually be able to brag about it and impress anybody, because that would be like cutting the grass in the backyard, put them in a box and then try to impress people by showing how much grass you have (and I mean the ordinary kind). It's something that doesn't take an effort to get hold of, AND it's not even remotely rare.

I respect people who wants to collect millions of worthless warez/roms/gamez just as much as I respect any other man on the street. However, the only people you'd impress by a collection like that would be pre-puberty teenagers who looks up to you because you roXXor.
It is all reletive to who you are talking too. For example if I were to make a post on a board dedicated to ROM collecting stating I have a collection of roms the size of a small country I`m sure people would be impressed. It`s all a case of what things are worth to you, not to people in general. I`m sure joe sixpack would not care a jot if I had a collection of 500 original Amiga games but to me they are priceless.
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It will take something special to actually be able to brag about it and impress anybody, because that would be like cutting the grass in the backyard, put them in a box and then try to impress people by showing how much grass you have (and I mean the ordinary kind). It's something that doesn't take an effort to get hold of, AND it's not even remotely rare.

I respect people who wants to collect millions of worthless warez/roms/gamez just as much as I respect any other man on the street. However, the only people you'd impress by a collection like that would be pre-puberty teenagers who looks up to you because you roXXor.
Who builds a collection to impress someone?

I surely don't. I build collections only to my satisfaction and viewing pleasure
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Sut, You've answered yourself. You have a feeling that it's pointless, and so it is. Just get what you know and love, and PLAY the things! The rest is just used up hard drive space. If it means nothing to you then what's the point?
All this stuff that's out there is valuable IF it has meaning to YOU. If it hasn't, why bother? Just because you can, isn't a good enough reason... Spend your time playing, not downloading - a bus might run you over tomorrow, and you will have wasted your last hours collecting stuff you don't even like! (well, let's hope it DOESN'T!
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Old 30 July 2004, 01:26   #38
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But it's pointless to argue with Jim when he starts playing the devil's advocate game he likes to play so much online... ;D
I'm only trying to build up a collection of memorable Jim vs Akira arguments

Actually I won't bother, I think the snot in the jar has more value doesn't it
 
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It's like people bragging about their number of playstation games, when 99% of them are pirated copies. If people as me how many games I have, I NEVER EVER count the pirated ones. That would just be stupid.
Yep that's terrible. I always told to people " i've got like 600 amiga disks" but never did I say "I've got a collection of 200 or so amiga games, nye nye nye" becasue I knew I had fuck all. My collection of Amiga games consists of 30 or less titles, the 600+ disks I have with copied software in them are just that, software for my Amiga.
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From the thesaurus:

Entry: collection
Function: noun
Definition: accumulation
Synonyms: accumulating, acquiring, acquisition, agglomeration, amassing, amassment, anthology, assemblage, assembling, assembly, assortment, batch, bringing together, caboodle, clump, cluster, collation, combination, company, compilation, congeries, congregation, convocation, crowd, cumulation, digest, gathering, group, heap, hoard, kit, levy, lot, mass, medley, mess, miscellany, mobilization, muster, number, obtaining, omnibus, pile, quantity, securing, selection, set, stack, stock, stockpile, stook, store
Concept: group entity

In other words, it's correct to say that you had a collection of 600+ amiga disks.

What annoys me here is that some people in this thread think they have the right to say that something that others obviously find satisfaction in doing is completely worthless, simply because they don't see the point.

Edit: I guess the reason that I find this so annoying is that I am quite proud of my collection of games - real, boxed games. Yet, when I have friends over, some of them think it's a waste of time and completely worthless. They don't understand why I value these things (especially because they're all available in cracked form online anyway, so I'm wasting both time and money collecting them). They react just like most people here seem to react to sut's first post.

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