Another World available for MorphOS, Win32, MacOS and XBox

[manicx]

http://membres.lycos.fr/cyxdown/raw/

Very good especially for MorphOS and MacOS users....

[Akira]

nice! thanks!

[adolescent]

And it's gone... I saw it for DC also. Would have liked to check that out.

[tomcat666]

What a shame Again a greedy original author has stopped something really nice from happening.

Anyone downloaded the win32 version and wants to share it ?

Originally Posted by tomcat666

Again a greedy original author has stopped something really nice from happening.

Hmmmm.

From what the website now says the author contacted him personally.

I myself have nothing but respect for the author for doing that, because in this day of corporate legal threats and all that b0llocks that is at least the right way about getting a project finished.

This is the original author's baby and I wouldn't call it greedy if he spent many years on the original game and can now secure his retirement with a 3D FPS remake/GameBoy re-release.

If on the other hand it was U.S. Gold closing down the game for no other reason than their asses sit on the copyright then that would pi55 me off.

[tomcat666]

Well, I have seen too many cases of this happening... mostly by original authors. In some cases (Fairlight remake by a friend of mine) they wanted the source code to be given to them for free so they can sell the game on all platforms they want. Ofcourse the author has told them where they can stick it... ;-)
There are numerous cases like this (CodeMasters, Ultimate Play The Game, etc.) and all of them say they want to protect the copyright... well, I just don't buy that. It never harms them if someone makes a FREE game... it is just a good advertisement if you ask me. They will never be able to sell it for Win32, DC, MacOSX, etc. Maybe for GameBoy Advance, but I dont think that version was on the site (but I never saw it, so I have no idea).

But as you said - it is the authors copyright and if he wants to do that he can.. I just don't think it is a nice thing to do - someone had gone to a great length to code a FREE engine for a game that is a decade or more old basically as a tribute to them.

[tomcat666]

Hehe, just found this link :

http://www.foxysofts.com/index.php?l...ad8597df382723

Idont speak French, but I think I know what this means :

Last release : Retiré ŕ la demande d'Eric Chahi.

Yeah, it's nice and all - and a compliment.

But someone making a free version of a 10-year-old game you want to re-release is not going to pay your bills are they?

This is not some big corporation like Micro$oft who is losing money, it is a guy whos last hit was probably Another World/Flashback. His one-and-only-ever Porsche is probably 10 years old now. His wife probably divorced him and took half his house & his money too.

If a big company such as Apple Records stops a guy from releasing a 40-year Beatles album remix (DJ Dangermouse) then that is wrong, cause Apple is a big company, and The Beatles are loaded.

Same could apply if Sega for instance go upset at a Open-Source Sonic The Hedgehog (orig Megadrive version) Open-Source remake.

[tomcat666]

Didnt he do a lot more games later on ? The 3d sequel to Another World (called Fade to Black) and some more stuff ? Don't know how well he did with them...

As I said - I do understand if he wants to stop a GBA (or a mobile phone or some other mobile device) remake from being done - cause there is actually some money for him to be made... but not a Windows or Xbox or something similar port - since there he can't make anything, it actually could be a good advertisement for the game and could boost the GBA or mobile version sales.
I know this because I am working on a mobile game and there IS probably gonna be a FREE win32 and maybe macOSX port of it just because of that ;-)

Originally Posted by tomcat666

Didnt he do a lot more games later on ? The 3d sequel to Another World (called Fade to Black) and some more stuff ? Don't know how well he did with them...

I don't know to be honest. I never digged Another World or Daphne games that much anyway.

I was just defending the guy and making sure he didn't get put into the same catergory as some big company who has got a lawyer to fire of a letter for no better reason than copyright.

[Akira]

Fuck I didnt get to download it!!!!!!!!!

[fiath]

I think it is great that an original author is planning to redo one of his old games for the current market. The problem here is as I see it is that there is nothing illegal about the new engine, just like there is nothing illegal about ScummVM. If legal threats were made for the sake of "protecting copyright" or whatever, the author of this new engine could tell them where to stick it - and rightly so. But it seems it was made as a polite request because they were already doing something similar. Since this two-way respect never seems to happen nowadays I applaud the actions of both parties in such a "difficult" situation.

I certainly wouldn't call the author greedy. It *is* his game after all, and in my country it will remain his game for the rest of his life. Tom Jones still receives money for songs he released 20 years ago doesn't he? Why should games be different?

OK, the engine might be legit.

But surely you can't go putting those graphics that look about 100% the same, and the gameplay/idea/design/sound\concept/etc... aswell which I guess were along the same lines.

And if it wasn't called Another World or didn't look/play like it it would probably never have been mentioned here anyway.

[CodyJarrett]

Originally Posted by fiath

If legal threats were made for the sake of "protecting copyright" or whatever, the author of this new engine could tell them where to stick it - and rightly so.

Another World is an artistic work and is thus protected implicitly by a copyright. Just because somebody else recreates that work in another form doesn't mean that the copyright vanishes. It's still Another World.

[Akira]

Originally Posted by Jim

But surely you can't go putting those graphics that look about 100% the same, and the gameplay/idea/design/sound\concept/etc... aswell which I guess were along the same lines.

This is NOt a remake, the program interprets the engine and needs the ORIGINAL datafiles for it to run, just like ScummVM. so the author is stealing nothing. Obviously that when you have the datafiles teh game ie EXACTLY the same, it's the real deal.

[fiath]

Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

Another World is an artistic work and is thus protected implicitly by a copyright. Just because somebody else recreates that work in another form doesn't mean that the copyright vanishes. It's still Another World.

Like Akira said, they are not though - a la ScummVM

Originally Posted by Akira

This is NOt a remake, the program interprets the engine and needs the ORIGINAL datafiles for it to run, just like ScummVM. so the author is stealing nothing. Obviously that when you have the datafiles teh game ie EXACTLY the same, it's the real deal.

So it gets all the graphics/sounds/level info from the disk ?

None of the graphics are included in the file that was available to download ?

But then you still have the internal game workings, the code - or does this program translate the machine code on the fly ?

If it does then yeah it's legal and the author can't touch it.

If it don't then it's not strictly legal.

If it's OK to release this then surely it's OK to release Amiga Kickstart ROMs ?

The Kickstart ROM is just the internal working and is no good without anything else. But luckily there are a few "dat files" such as WinUAE and some strange things called ADFs floating around that can put it to good use.

And a final point.

If I succesfully reverse enginered the secret recipe for Coca-Cola or KFC and called it Joca-Jola or JFC do you think I wouldn't be sued or breaking any laws ?

[Akira]

Just ask Pepsico. Inc.

[killergorilla]

I want KFC and some Coke.

You mind reader.

[fiath]

Jim:

In most countries reverse engineering is completely legal, and creating another system that does the same thing is completely legal. If you get "inside info" or obtain information on the system in any illegal way, then the product you create is also illegal.

See Sony vs. bleem! case.

By the same argument, it is not legal to release Kickstart ROM's - because they the property of their respective owners, it is nothing you created. However, if you created an Amiga emulator you could reverse engineer the system in such a way that it would not need the ROMs (i.e. to find out what they are needed for, and simulate those calls) and thus your Amiga emulator could still be completely legal. Exactly this happened with bleem! and it was proven 100% legal.

Take ScummVM, it implements a reverse engineered version of the game engine created by Lucas Arts. Since it contains no material from the original games it is legal (assuming you didn't get any inside info, etc - something difficult to prove either way).

About Coca-Cola. How would you reverse engineer that? Even if you could, how would you be able to prove that you did not just take the recipe which was published in the Sun newspaper a few years ago?

[MethodGit]

Originally Posted by Akira

Fuck I didnt get to download it!!!!!!!!!

Say Ak, isn't it about time you checked out the Page Beginning With Z?

Originally Posted by Akira

Just ask Pepsico. Inc.

But Pepsi Cola don't sound like Coca-Cola, the packaging (stuff you see) don't look like Coca-Cola and it certainly don't taste like Coca-Cola. Jim's Joca Jola was gonna look just like it, taste like it and sound like it. But I wasn't going to be buying up stocks of Coca-Cola and repackaging it. I was gonna make it from the ground up by using the usual ingredients of sugar, nitric acid, drain cleaner and stuff.

This Another World clone looks like Another World, plays like Another World. Therefor it infringes the copyright of Another World. In the United States "fair use" laws might allow someone who owns DOS original to rip their files to play this new version, but in most countries it would be considered copyright violation.

But ethically it is wrong to be freely distributing a rip-off/clone/clever open source version of a currently (or about to be) active game, unless you are dealing with mega-corporations.

[tomcat666]

Thanx MethodGit ! now, any1 has the GBA version of it ? Someone must of have downloaded the thing ...

[manicx]

DOS Version

http://www.dosgamesonline.com/spellen/anotherworld.zip


MacOS Version

http://www.ewtoo.org/~matt/forums/raw-0.1.1-osx.zip

[MethodGit]

Originally Posted by tomcat666

Thanx MethodGit ! now, any1 has the GBA version of it ? Someone must of have downloaded the thing ...

Z0n3d!!!111

[MethodGit]

Originally Posted by manicx

DOS Version

http://www.dosgamesonline.com/spellen/anotherworld.zip


MacOS Version

http://www.ewtoo.org/~matt/forums/raw-0.1.1-osx.zip

Say, thanks for preserving the Mac port as well! I wonder if we can preserve all the raw files originally available from the homepage (both 0.1.0 and 0.1.1)? Did you download everything else?

[tomcat666]

MethodGit - You certainly rule ! How did you get it ? I tried Google and every possible result... but nothing. I even tried translating some French stuff on that Forum where it was supposed to be - to no avail

Really nice ! You deserve a beer

[Big-Byte]

Ive got this game for sale for the SNES atm on ebay..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...sPageName=WDVW

1 day left.... (I have other snes games listed too)

[Akira]

Originally Posted by MethodGit

Say Ak, isn't it about time you checked out the Page Beginning With Z?

I wanted the OS X Version, thankss manic!

[MethodGit]

Originally Posted by adolescent

And it's gone... I saw it for DC also. Would have liked to check that out.

http://www.dcemu.co.uk/rawdc.shtml

[MethodGit]

Originally Posted by Akira

I wanted the OS X Version, thankss manic!

I see. Thought you still had your trusty Win98 box with yas?

[MethodGit]

Originally Posted by tomcat666

MethodGit - You certainly rule ! How did you get it ? I tried Google and every possible result... but nothing. I even tried translating some French stuff on that Forum where it was supposed to be - to no avail

Let's just say that I was lucky to grab it off the site before Mr. Chahi came storming in to, as MCA of Beastie Boys once lyriced, "disrupt the whole scene". I just hope Chahi does something regarding a re-release this year - it wouldn't be fair to leave this raw project rotting in a dormant manner for almost an eternity.

Really nice ! You deserve a beer

Hmmmm, what beer would you suggest?

[tomcat666]

MethodGit: Nice to see you were fast enough on the sites to be able to grab them before mr. Chahi could ;-) I contacted the author of the GBA remake and he said that there is a possibility that HIS GBA version will be sold by Chahi in the future - so they will both make money from it - if it gets released (and if it sells ofcourse ;-) ). I just hope he doesn't get screwed over like Richard Jordan almost did with Fairlight... time will tell.

[Mr Softy]

Originally Posted by tomcat666

I contacted the author of the GBA remake and he said that there is a possibility that HIS GBA version will be sold by Chahi in the future - so they will both make money from it - if it gets released (and if it sells ofcourse ;-) ). I just hope he doesn't get screwed over like Richard Jordan almost did with Fairlight... time will tell.

Hey - if a GBA port is going to be sold, Mr Softy is going to buy it... For sure!

[Akira]

Originally Posted by MethodGit

I see. Thought you still had your trusty Win98 box with yas?

I do, but I preffer to use my iBook. 'Tis portable, you know?

"Ch-chek-check-ch-check it out!"
I wonder if it works with the original MacOS datafiles? It's got a higher rez and all y'see.

[DrBong]

Did anyone manage to grab the MorphOS version?

[plasmatron]

It is also available for GBA now.
Home made of course.

Check .
http://www.gba-nfo.com/gba_home.php

[manicx]

Bump!

Interview with Eric Chani

http://www.idlethumbs.net/display.php?id=44

Cool portrait image! Very AWish...

[stainy]

Heart Of Darkness? never heard of that.. what platforms did that come out on then ?
obviously I would look myself but I`m about to go out on call

hmmppfff