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Old 20 April 2004, 18:45   #1
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Question Are there any trustworthy Amiga Classix sellers still about?

It's just that it's kinda disheartening to have seen many great gems over at AmigaGames.co.uk only to learn that the company isn't quite "pure"..... and to think that the HMV versions weren't somehow the "real" editions or what not.
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Old 18 May 2004, 21:37   #2
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Hmmmm, I discovered a few things lately.

There's a store called SoftWide which appears to sell Amiga Classix 2+3 for a relatively cheap-as-chips price - cheaper than purchasing it off Epic Interactive even. But I just wanted to clarify whether this is a genuine shop or a bogus scam site thingy?

Also, Amiga-game.com and the notorious Emus Unlimited appear to be selling Amiga Classix 3 now - and the same cover is used by the looks of it. I wonder if they're selling it as it is, if I seem to recall didn't they take Classix 1 & 2, modify them greatly, give them different covers and sell them in that manner?
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Old 19 May 2004, 11:10   #3
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The point is not who sells these CD's, it is the fact that the CD's themselves are illegal. HMV, and now SoftWide obviously did't require proof that permission was gained before they decided to stock them.

So if you buy these Amiga Classix CD's, you are ultimately funding the people who produced them - and these people are commercial pirates. Sure these are old games yes, but if they are depriving the original makers of money, it amounts to exactly the same thing.
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Old 19 May 2004, 11:11   #4
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Ive picked up an Amiga Classix cd at the boot fair last week.
I will scan the cover to let you know which one it was. (I think it was the first) The labelling on the cd is done professionally.

edit: Yep Ive got version 1. According to the list on the back of the cd its full of PD stuff.
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Old 19 May 2004, 11:20   #5
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So it is nothing like this then?
http://www.amigastuff.co.uk/AMIGACLASSIX1.htm
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Mine is nowt like that

Mine is the original Amiga Classix.. and on the back is a picture of a workbench 4.0 with a few screenies (obviously mocked up) and this comes on a a normal cd case and not a DVD case.. the inlay states compilation copyright (C) 1998 Epic Marketing
 
Old 19 May 2004, 13:49   #7
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Workbench 4? That hasn't even been released yet and will only work on A1's and PPC Amigas when it is released...
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Old 19 May 2004, 15:55   #8
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I will do a scan of the cover of mine plus the disk tonight and upload it here.
Im pretty sure the list on the back of the DVD box is all PD stuff.

To be honest I havent looked at the cd yet. Forgot to mention the cd I got was second hand and cost me 2
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The point is not who sells these CD's, it is the fact that the CD's themselves are illegal. HMV, and now SoftWide obviously did't require proof that permission was gained before they decided to stock them.

So if you buy these Amiga Classix CD's, you are ultimately funding the people who produced them - and these people are commercial pirates. Sure these are old games yes, but if they are depriving the original makers of money, it amounts to exactly the same thing.
Are you saying Epic Interactive are pirates then? From what I gathered, particularly with packs 2+3 at least, they obtained legal permission from the game authors to make certain games available on their CDs.
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Well heres a scan of what I got
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Old 19 May 2004, 21:41   #11
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The Readme.txt on the cd.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
AMIGA CLASSIX 2

(c) 1999-2000 Epic Marketing ltd. - http://www.epicmarketing.ltd.net
(c) 1999-2000 Darkage Software - http://www.darkage.it.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
CD ARTWORK

(c) 2000 Jan-Christoph Sievers (JCS/Haujobb) - bato@gmlx.de
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
BTTR EMULATION GUIDE / CONFIGURATION FILES (see the '!!readme/bttr' folder)

(c) 2000 Juergen Beck (Bobic/BTTR) / Ralf Steines (Hippie2000/BTTR)
BTTR - Back to the Roots - http://back2roots.emunlim.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. GETTING STARTED
1.1 Introduction
1.2 Requirements
1.3 Installation
1.3.1 Amiga computers
1.3.2 PC computers
1.3.3 Other platforms

2. PLAYING THE GAMES
2.1 Amiga computers
2.2 PC computers
2.2.1 Emulator newbies
2.2.1 Experienced emulator users
2.3 Other platforms

3. LEGAL INFORMATION
3.1 Copyright
3.2 Credits
3.3 Disclaimer



1. GETTING STARTED
===================

1.1 Introduction
----------------

[Amiga Classix 2] is the official sequel to one of the most successful
Amiga compilations ever! It contains over 270 freeware, shareware and full
versions of commercial games, no demo versions! It was produced
exclusively for Epic Marketing ltd. and is suitable for both Amiga and PC.
Nearly all games can directly be played from the CD, no installation
required for Amiga computers and Windows PCs.

1.2 Requirements
----------------

AGA Amiga with a CD-ROM drive,
or a Pentium PC with Win32 and a CD-ROM drive (Pentium II system
recommend).

1.3 Installation
----------------

1.3.1 Amiga computers

No installation required. Simply insert the CD in your CD-ROM drive and
start the games from your Workbench.

1.3.2 PC computers

No installation required. Insert the CD in your CD-ROM drive and wait,
until the menu appears. Start the games by selecting one of the games
from the menu. For further info about Amiga emulation check out
'emuguide.txt' which can be found in the '!Readme/bttr' folder.

1.3.3 Other platforms

Mac users or PC users with different OS than Windows will find Amiga
emulators in the [Emulators] directory of the CD. Just install one of the
emulators and select one of the games which are located at the [Games]
Directory of the CD.


2. PLAYING THE GAMES
====================

Important info about 'BENEATH A STEEL SKY':
The english version of Beneath a steel sky is available for 20.00 from
Epic Marekting ltd. The codes can be found in the [!!ReadMe] directory,
and in the [Beneath a steel sky] directory of this CD.

2.1 Amiga computers
-------------------

Doubleclick the [Amiga Classix 2] icon.
Now browse through the entire archive of the CD and select one of the
games. A screenshot will appear in the background showing how the game
will look like. Another menu appears where you can select your CPU type.

2.2 PC computers
----------------

2.2.1 Emulator newbies

After inserting the CD in your CD drive the autostart feature will
directly start the Amiga emulator called [WinUAE], which will show up
it's configuration GUI. All you have to do there is to doubleclick one
of the game names. The game will immediately load then, and you can play
all games with a PC Joystick or Gamepad.

For further info about Amiga emulation check out 'emuguide.txt' which can
be found in the '!Readme/bttr' folder.

2.2.1 Experienced emulator users

If you have already used WinUAE before and have installed a Workbench or
the [Amiga in a box] package (http://www.emuunlim.com/aiab) you can play
all the games directly from the Workbench too. Before you boot WinUAE go
to the [Hard Drives] menu of WinUAE and enable the [Add PC Drives at
Startup] feature, then click OK. Now you can access the CD from your
WinUAE Workbench and can start every game with a simple doubleclick.

For further info about Amiga emulation check out 'emuguide.txt' which can
be found in the '!Readme/bttr' folder.

2.3 Other platforms
-------------------

After you have installed the emulator for your system (see chapter 1.3.3)
you can configure the emulator as you want. A detailed description comes
with every emulator.


3. LEGAL INFORMATION
====================

3.1 Copyright

CD Compilation by Paolo D'Urso and Juergen Beck.
WinUAE version by Juergen Beck.
Cover Artwork by Jan-Christoph Sievers
Produced exclusivly for Epic Marketing ltd.
Published by Epic Marketing ltd.
BTTR Emuguide + Configs by Ralf Steines and Juergen Beck


3.2 Special thanks

We want to thank the following people for being so kind to let us use
their fantastic games for our little project:

- Tony Warriner from Revolution Software (http://www.revolution.co.uk)
for giving us the permission to include 'Beneath a steel sky' on this
CD.

- Marc Rosocha, the company director from Eclipse software
(http://www.eclipse.at). He has permitted us to include the brilliant
shoot 'em up game 'Lethal Xcess' and the funny platform game 'Monster
Business'. In the past Mr. Rosocha has created such Amiga classics like
Chambers of Shaolin or Wings of Death for Thalion.

- Andreas Seebeck - a friendly man who has made the games 'Hannibal',
'Space M.A.X.', 'Aunt Arctic Adventure' and 'Charon V' in the past. His
software company is called 'Andreas Seebeck Software Development' and
you can visit his homepage at http://www.febe.com/

- Paul Hellier, the creator of the old classic 'Kelly-X' for being so
nice to giving us the permission for this great game.

- Don Milosavljevic, founder of Digital Concepts, for giving us the
permission to include the full versions of his games 'Island of lost
hope', 'Torch 2081' and 'Lords of War'. All these games were published
by his company Digital Concepts in the past, but unfortunately they
don't exist any longer.

- Mark Sheeky from Scorpius Software, for allowing us to use
'Hilt - against the hoardes', 'Hilt 2' and all his other wonderful
games.
Mark Sheeky makes meanwhile PC games and has changed his company name
to 'Information Software'. His homepage can be found at
http://www.informationsoftware.ic24.net

- Rolf-Dieter Klein and Martin Ulrich, the creators of 'Ports of Call',
for their permission for this classic game. Their actual project is the
sequel to 'Ports of Call', which will be released soon for the PC. Get
the latest infos about this game from their homepage at
http://www.rdklein.com/

- Paul Robertshaw, the friendly boss from Mental Image Software Design,
the company who's specialised in creating excellent fruit machines.
Thanks Paul for allowing us to include 'Bandit Mania', 'Technology 2'
and 'The Winning Post'.

- Darren Ithell for his fantastic games like 'Furball' or 'Dithell in
Space'. Please visit his homepage at
http://www.web-site.co.uk/dith/games.html.

- Michael P. Welch, who has allowed us to include the full version 1.90
of 'Scorched Tanks'. Also he is very active at the moment on the PC
market and plans some new cool games for this platform. More infos are
available at http://home.stny.lrun.com/scorched/

- the friendly people from Rocten Interactive. They have created 'Brutal
Homicide' and 'Brutal Homicide 2' and also they have allowed us to
include both games onto the CD. If you want to know more about them,
please visit them at http://www.rocten.com/

- Andrew Crowe from Mantasoft for his games 'Wizards of Odd' and 'James
Bond - you only live twice'. He's very active on the Amiga and you can
find infos about all his productions on his HP at
http://members.tripod.com/~mantasoft/

- Peter Elzner from Diamond Productions (http://www.diamond-pro.com) for
all his games.

- Christoph Stahl (http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~stahl/welcome.html) and
MegArts for their excellent Dynablaster clone 'Bomb Mania'.

- The brazilian company HiTek Softworks for releasing their great beat
'em up game 'Barravento' into the public domain.

- Frank Otto for releasing 'Lost on Parrott Island' as Freeware.

- and especially Jan-Christoph Sievers (JCS). Amiga Classix 2 would never
look so good without his fantastic cover artwork.

- Bernd Schmidt, Brian King and all the other guys who are working on UAE
for giving us the chance to enjoy Amiga games also on many different
platforms.

- and all the other people who have created so many excellent games and
have supported us. Thanks to all of you. You're making many people on
this planet very very happy with your excellent work.
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Are you saying Epic Interactive are pirates then? From what I gathered, particularly with packs 2+3 at least, they obtained legal permission from the game authors to make certain games available on their CDs.
Well, I guess they must have done if BTTR were involved.

I'm confused now! Perhaps I was am thinking about the Gremllin one...
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As you can see of the 250 games on this one only a handful is really commercial, those that you can download anyway.
The compilations in question are pirate ones with full commercial games, not just a few; all of them. Those are the compilations sold by hmv, etc, and always can be traced back to the same bastard, no matter what his company is called at the moment or which of his dozens of websites is active.

Rest assured apart from this pd collection the ones being sold are all illegal, including the mame, zx, atari, neogeo, nintendo, sega who knows what else "legal collections".
Also pc2amiga is being sold by them as their product, renamed to amiga2pc or something equally innovative.
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Well, I guess they must have done if BTTR were involved.

I'm confused now! Perhaps I was am thinking about the Gremllin one...
I'd like to know whether Gremlin Classix was illegal from the very start or not - wasn't it around before Emulators Unlimited and Amigagames.co.uk became known to the public or something? What did the original cover for Amiga Classix 1 look like and in what way did the original Epic release differentiate (sic?) from the DVD-case version?


BTW, Issue 4 of the recently-introduced Retro Gamer carries a Gremlin collection disc, containing lots of games for various formats, not just the Amiga. However it's not very "ultimate" in the sense it includes absolutely every single Gremlin (or Gremlin-related) title ever made on every machine, and lacks two rare Gremlin Amiga titles sadly. Am interested to see if Zoo Digital were involved with the plans...
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I'd like to know whether Gremlin Classix was illegal from the very start or not - wasn't it around before Emulators Unlimited and Amigagames.co.uk became known to the public or something? What did the original cover for Amiga Classix 1 look like and in what way did the original Epic release differentiate (sic?) from the DVD-case version?
The Gremlin CD was reviewed by one of the mainstream Amiga mags (either Format or Active). According to the review, the publisher did have the correct authorisation to use the games, but had to use cracked versions because Gremlin (or whoever owns them now) did not have any uncracked copies left.
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All the master copies were lost in a fire AFAIK.
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All the master copies were lost in a fire AFAIK.
Argh, stupid mean fires. Guess it's CAPS to the rescue then?
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- Peter Elzner from Diamond Productions (http://www.diamond-pro.com) for all his games.
Does this have the full (registered/non-shareware) version of Master Blaster?
Where can I get a copy of this?
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Surely this CD is illegal as the readme makes no mention of the fact that you need to get hold of Amiga Kickstart ROMs. Are these included on the disc? I presume so.
 
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Yeah I checked and there is a kick.rom on the cd.
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