What should I do next ? Please vote...

AmiGer · 06 April 2004, 10:47

Well, I've done a small poll to see what you think what I should disassemble and extend as next CARE project. Don't expect too much and be patient. This project takes much time and CARE releases will be rare but the project forges ahead.
Of course I'm always susceptive for suggestions. So I would be happy about a bustling voting and some comments, thanks !

Stunt Car Racer (already done, look here, please vote for the others if you still want to)
For me a very good game. New tracks would be very interesting. This is simply a great fun game. It still makes fun to play this game after many years. But a little bit more diversification would be nice, so... vote for it !

Little Computer People
Must I say something ? If there is a real classic game out there then it's LCP. Some new GFX and more functions would be necessary, I think. If you think so, too, campaign for it !

The Great Giana Sisters
This jump'n'run fascinated me in my childhood (in particular the title screen

). I think I (and most of you) already know all the levels so some more of these (maybe with editor) would be interesting ! Choose it...

Pirates!
Whow, what a game. I played it for many weeks and it's never getting boring but what about a new map with new cities and a map editor ? In this game are many capabilities ! My favourite with the biggest motivation. Give it a try...

TheBoss · 06 April 2004, 10:57

Pirates no doubt about its just too damn good

06 April 2004, 16:09

My vote is for Stunt Car Racer.

But from a technical perspective (and thinking of AmiGer) I'm happy to change my vote to Great Giana Sisters, cause out of them all that is the one I'd have the least fear of trying to enhance

Peanutuk · 06 April 2004, 16:34

I'd go for Stunt Car Racer - new tracks would be great. And as it has parellel support it would be handy for any future online gaming.

Akira · 06 April 2004, 16:58

I voted LCP, would be great to have new kits of guys, mascots and scenery. What about making a LCP designer in front of teh game? BEfore starting up you create your little person and all related to it.

blackcornflake · 06 April 2004, 17:28

Yeah, LCP.

I love that game. The elegant original design means all the action takes place on a single screen, and the commands are in effect modular - you could add more and more as time went on.

/me looks forward to his LCP playing drunk Twister with the neighbours

Neat.

Mr Creosote · 06 April 2004, 17:47

Stunt Car Racer - new tracks would be great! Got my vote.

Little Computer People - good for me as it is

The Great Giana Sisters - not really my kind of game

Pirates! - excellent game, but I hardly see any room for improvement

FromWithin · 06 April 2004, 18:40

If anything was done to LCP, it should at the very least be brought up the standard of the C64 disk version. The Amiga one is absolute wank in comparison.

Mr Creosote · 06 April 2004, 18:44

Quote:

Originally posted by FromWithin
If anything was done to LCP, it should at the very least be brought up the standard of the C64 disk version. The Amiga one is absolute wank in comparison.

I have to admit I have never played the Amiga version of LCP, I just assumed it's the same as on the C64. In this case, it might be worth going for it as well (although SCR is still my favourite option

).

AmiGer · 08 April 2004, 22:28

I didn't expect that Stunt Car Racer is such a popular game. I thought Pirates! would be a lonesome winner here but SCR is indeed a great game. It seems I will concentrate on these two games in the near future but feel free to vote if you haven't already...

RetroMan · 09 April 2004, 04:14

Without a doubt : Pirates!

Bloodwych · 09 April 2004, 11:32

All those games are a worthwhile cause, but Stunt Car Racer would benefit so much from extra tracks. I'm not surprised it's a popular choice - the original game is still unique in may respects and linkup play was so much fun with friends - my very first experience of semi-LAN type gaming parties took place playing this!

Plus it'll be fun seeing you come up with a new track layout.

Enverex · 27 April 2004, 16:44

How about adding some new features to Frontier Elite II....

AmiGer · 28 April 2004, 08:40

I never liked Frontier - Elite II. So it's improbable that I will change it but maybe somebody else... ? Furthermore Elite is a game of the same genre. And now I want to do something else.
However, the next releases are planned... One will be a stunt car racing simulator and the other is about a carribean pirate. So I act upon the community...

Pyromania · 14 June 2004, 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

I voted LCP, would be great to have new kits of guys, mascots and scenery. What about making a LCP designer in front of teh game? BEfore starting up you create your little person and all related to it.

LCP, the Sims before the Sims was available.

Pyromania · 14 June 2004, 07:52

AmiGer do you have the sources to these games?

AmiGer · 14 June 2004, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyromania

AmiGer do you have the sources to these games?

Unfortunately not. Just the CAPS binaries and disassembled sources for SCR and Pirates. That's why CARE releases are rare. But I will release these two games in the near future...

Pyromania · 14 June 2004, 10:59

AmiGer, ever thought of looking at the Amiga Video Toaster ASM sources?

www.openvideotoaster.org

AmiGer · 14 June 2004, 13:21

I had just a short look into the sources...

14 June 2004, 14:43

Pirates, as long as you are CAREful.

90% of the game mods I tried up to day faied to impress me.

Methanoid · 14 June 2004, 16:06

Stunt Car Racer but make sure U keep the "Cracked by Quartex" message in there!!!!

14 June 2004, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burseg

Pirates, as long as you are CAREful.

90% of the game mods I tried up to day faied to impress me.

Give his Elite Advanced a try if you haven't done so. Strangely enough, his Elite version is the only one (incl. the original Elite i bought) that runs flawlessly here (WinUAE 8.25/26 on WinXP). Matter of fact, i consider it the only playable version for the Amiga. While i am not sure the new gadgets added to Elite were really necessary, it's a nice bonus and can be ignored if you so choose, it's the fact that he did make the game playable and removed some annoying bugs that impressed me most.

So i think

he walks on water and am looking forward to any new release he might come up with.. :-)

In general: any of the suggestions look good to me, with Giana Sisters being my least favorite.. Torn between Pirates and StuntCarRacer, my vote went for Pirates.. LCP, while definately a unique piece of software, just couldn't keep my interest long enough...

fiath · 14 June 2004, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methanoid

Stunt Car Racer but make sure U keep the "Cracked by Quartex" message in there!!!!

No, please don't!

wakeupbomb · 14 June 2004, 23:25

Stunt Car Racer all the way. Preferably some tracks with crazy jumps. Have played that game to death

AmiGer · 15 June 2004, 07:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methanoid

Stunt Car Racer but make sure U keep the "Cracked by Quartex" message in there!!!!

Funny. Sorry, but I cracked the CAPS release on myself. Maybe I should reimplement the message to give a more retro feeling...

AmiGer · 15 June 2004, 08:06

@StephanK: I can't walk on water (but if we will win against the Netherlands today I would try...

). To be honest I don't remember that I removed some bugs from Elite...

@wakeupbomb: the jumps I implemented until now are a little bit... ehm too crazy. But yesterday I finished the first lap on my new track...

Akira · 15 June 2004, 08:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmiGer

Maybe I should reimplement the message to give a more retro feeling...

No please don't :P

Codetapper · 15 June 2004, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmiGer

@StephanK: I can't walk on water (but if we will win against the Netherlands today I would try...

). To be honest I don't remember that I removed some bugs from Elite...

@wakeupbomb: the jumps I implemented until now are a little bit... ehm too crazy. But yesterday I finished the first lap on my new track...

If you have been able to work out the way the game stores the tracks you should definitely concentrate on releasing Stunt Car Racer!

Also when you play your new track, does the computer car drive around it correctly or does the game cheat and have some kind of table of points/speeds that the car must be going to complete a lap without crashing? (And hence you would need to fill in this data to have a worthy opponent)

I've never actually seen the computer car crash - anyone else?

Akira · 16 June 2004, 00:32

I think I once lured it into a pit but I could be damn wrong! I also think it's one of those cases of computer cheating.

Bloodwych · 16 June 2004, 00:42

Oh well, link play was always the best anyway - can't beat beating a human opponent. Wonder how it would run on 2 A1200's over serial. Probably much smoother than the A500's we used to play it on.

Slayer · 16 June 2004, 04:24

GGS...

hell, I remember this game... I was so good at it at my peak I could get to the end without losing one life and it's no wonder. I think it was either the last level or the 2nd last there is this section you would get to involving a jump across and it took me ages to figure out you needed to ease up on the joystick mid-flight to duck under this overhang... hence to say I'd get to this point many times with ALL my lives only to see them all drop down the hole...

I never warped either I was obsessed with getting the highest score possible which I recall was around very early 90,000...

I voted for GGS... although SSR definating is up there, I actually own two copies of this game...

whatever you do Ami it'll be appreciated

Slayer · 16 June 2004, 04:29

@Codetapper

;I've never actually seen the computer car crash - anyone else?

I'm sure I've seen it drive off the road... either I forced it or such... not quite a crash but something to speculate... it's been a few years

AmiGer · 16 June 2004, 07:57

I have decrypted the track data for 99%. Computer speed is a combined calculation:
1) fixed speed table for all kinds of track part types (curve, straight,...)
2) for every track another table where the direction/speed changes and jumps are stored
if this table isn't filled the computer car doesn't crash (I think it can't) but makes some very funny jumps up to the sky...

Sid · 29 September 2005, 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmiGer

What should I do next ?

How about working with the guys at KOA on Player Manager and Kick Off 2, so it saves on Hard Disk for the Amiga 1200 ... with extended and enhanced options that they are working on?!

Sid

29 September 2005, 18:50

Quote:

How about working with the guys at KOA on Player Manager and Kick Off 2, so it saves on Hard Disk for the Amiga 1200 ... with extended and enhanced options that they are working on?!

Sid

Oh yes Please, this will help a lot one of the most active community!

They already work hard on an enhanced modified version of Kick Off 2: http://www.ko-gathering.com/wiki/ind...tition_version and they have also annual international tournaments with that new version: http://www.ko-gathering.com/wiki/ind...e=Registration

Sid · 04 October 2005, 18:18

AmiGer...
Are you up for your greatest challenge yet???

Sid

AmiGer · 05 October 2005, 08:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid

AmiGer...
Are you up for your greatest challenge yet???

No, I've my own projects and I'm too busy at the moment but:
indeed this is a great project and I've played Kick Off many times years ago...
So I wish it success ! It's great to see that some other people are doing some reverse engineering on the miggy and I would always encourage others to do this...
Anyway, I will contact the author, just to introduce oneself and to compare notes.

Dastardly · 05 October 2005, 09:00

One thing I think would be awesome is Frontier online with real players piloting their own ships in the same universe and interacting.

Not knowing anything about programming though I have no idea how difficult this would be although I imagine it would be a very big job.

Freelancer would be perfect apart from the stupid save system.

Codetapper · 05 October 2005, 22:03

This would probably be mission impossible, but I for one would LOVE to see some new F/A-18 Interceptor missions! Imagine a mission with 10 MiGs you have to shoot down or something, that'd rock!

CodyJarrett · 05 October 2005, 22:11

North & South with an option for two joysticks instead of one joystick and keys!

View Poll Results: What should be the next CARE project ?
Stunt Car Racer - new tracks	29	39.19%
Little Computer People - other gfx/new commands	10	13.51%
The Great Giana Sisters - new levels/other gfx	14	18.92%
Pirates! - other maps/cities	21	28.38%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

06 April 2004, 10:47	#1
AmiGer Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 348	What should I do next ? Please vote... Well, I've done a small poll to see what you think what I should disassemble and extend as next CARE project. Don't expect too much and be patient. This project takes much time and CARE releases will be rare but the project forges ahead. Of course I'm always susceptive for suggestions. So I would be happy about a bustling voting and some comments, thanks ! Stunt Car Racer (already done, look here, please vote for the others if you still want to) For me a very good game. New tracks would be very interesting. This is simply a great fun game. It still makes fun to play this game after many years. But a little bit more diversification would be nice, so... vote for it ! Little Computer People Must I say something ? If there is a real classic game out there then it's LCP. Some new GFX and more functions would be necessary, I think. If you think so, too, campaign for it ! The Great Giana Sisters This jump'n'run fascinated me in my childhood (in particular the title screen ). I think I (and most of you) already know all the levels so some more of these (maybe with editor) would be interesting ! Choose it... Pirates! Whow, what a game. I played it for many weeks and it's never getting boring but what about a new map with new cities and a map editor ? In this game are many capabilities ! My favourite with the biggest motivation. Give it a try... __________________ * CARE project: Click here * Last edited by AmiGer; 05 October 2005 at 09:00.

06 April 2004, 10:57	#2
TheBoss Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denmark Age: 28 Posts: 818	Pirates no doubt about its just too damn good __________________ For Amiga Fans! (CDTV/CD32) Custom CD32 Cover Archive! (Offline) Hardware: Amiga 500 & CD32/SX32 Pro (50MHz 030+FPU,16MB, CF-HD 1GB)

06 April 2004, 16:34	#4
Peanutuk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The North, UK Age: 31 Posts: 1,067	I'd go for Stunt Car Racer - new tracks would be great. And as it has parellel support it would be handy for any future online gaming. __________________ T-shirts

06 April 2004, 17:47	#7
Mr Creosote Evil Mastermind Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hamburg, Germany Age: 30 Posts: 503	Stunt Car Racer - new tracks would be great! Got my vote. Little Computer People - good for me as it is The Great Giana Sisters - not really my kind of game Pirates! - excellent game, but I hardly see any room for improvement __________________ Do you seriously think I'd explain my master stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome?

06 April 2004, 16:09	#3
Jim Posts: n/a	My vote is for Stunt Car Racer. But from a technical perspective (and thinking of AmiGer) I'm happy to change my vote to Great Giana Sisters, cause out of them all that is the one I'd have the least fear of trying to enhance

06 April 2004, 16:58	#5
Akira He's back. Be scared. Join Date: May 2001 Location: Sometimes BA/Argentina, sometimes NY/USA Age: 31 Posts: 10,701	I voted LCP, would be great to have new kits of guys, mascots and scenery. What about making a LCP designer in front of teh game? BEfore starting up you create your little person and all related to it.

06 April 2004, 17:28	#6
blackcornflake Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cereal box Posts: 749	Yeah, LCP. I love that game. The elegant original design means all the action takes place on a single screen, and the commands are in effect modular - you could add more and more as time went on. /me looks forward to his LCP playing drunk Twister with the neighbours Neat.

06 April 2004, 18:40	#8
FromWithin Music lord Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Liverpool, UK Age: 36 Posts: 557	If anything was done to LCP, it should at the very least be brought up the standard of the C64 disk version. The Amiga one is absolute wank in comparison. __________________ MikeC - fromwithin.com

08 April 2004, 22:28	#10
AmiGer Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 348	I didn't expect that Stunt Car Racer is such a popular game. I thought Pirates! would be a lonesome winner here but SCR is indeed a great game. It seems I will concentrate on these two games in the near future but feel free to vote if you haven't already... __________________ * CARE project: Click here *

09 April 2004, 04:14	#11
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 37 Posts: 3,704	Without a doubt : Pirates! __________________ --~~= RetroMan =~~-- -= AmigA =- -= ForeveR =-

09 April 2004, 11:32	#12
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,225	All those games are a worthwhile cause, but Stunt Car Racer would benefit so much from extra tracks. I'm not surprised it's a popular choice - the original game is still unique in may respects and linkup play was so much fun with friends - my very first experience of semi-LAN type gaming parties took place playing this! Plus it'll be fun seeing you come up with a new track layout.

27 April 2004, 16:44	#13
Enverex Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Age: 25 Posts: 1,161	How about adding some new features to Frontier Elite II....

28 April 2004, 08:40	#14
AmiGer Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 348	I never liked Frontier - Elite II. So it's improbable that I will change it but maybe somebody else... ? Furthermore Elite is a game of the same genre. And now I want to do something else. However, the next releases are planned... One will be a stunt car racing simulator and the other is about a carribean pirate. So I act upon the community... __________________ * CARE project: Click here *

14 June 2004, 07:52	#16
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,363	AmiGer do you have the sources to these games?

14 June 2004, 10:59	#18
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,363	AmiGer, ever thought of looking at the Amiga Video Toaster ASM sources? www.openvideotoaster.org

14 June 2004, 13:21	#19
AmiGer Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 348	I had just a short look into the sources... __________________ * CARE project: Click here *

14 June 2004, 14:43	#20
oldpx Posts: n/a	Pirates, as long as you are CAREful. 90% of the game mods I tried up to day faied to impress me.

14 June 2004, 16:06	#21
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 44 Posts: 1,088	Stunt Car Racer but make sure U keep the "Cracked by Quartex" message in there!!!! __________________ The thoughts of Chairman Methanoid at http://methanoid.blogspot.com

14 June 2004, 23:25	#24
wakeupbomb Amiga Collector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Leeds, England Age: 26 Posts: 191	Stunt Car Racer all the way. Preferably some tracks with crazy jumps. Have played that game to death

15 June 2004, 08:06	#26
AmiGer Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 348	@StephanK: I can't walk on water (but if we will win against the Netherlands today I would try... ). To be honest I don't remember that I removed some bugs from Elite... @wakeupbomb: the jumps I implemented until now are a little bit... ehm too crazy. But yesterday I finished the first lap on my new track... __________________ * CARE project: Click here *

16 June 2004, 00:32	#29
Akira He's back. Be scared. Join Date: May 2001 Location: Sometimes BA/Argentina, sometimes NY/USA Age: 31 Posts: 10,701	I think I once lured it into a pit but I could be damn wrong! I also think it's one of those cases of computer cheating.

16 June 2004, 00:42	#30
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,225	Oh well, link play was always the best anyway - can't beat beating a human opponent. Wonder how it would run on 2 A1200's over serial. Probably much smoother than the A500's we used to play it on. __________________ Live Long and Procrastinate A500 Batman Pack Classic Workbench

16 June 2004, 04:24	#31
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 43 Posts: 596	GGS... hell, I remember this game... I was so good at it at my peak I could get to the end without losing one life and it's no wonder. I think it was either the last level or the 2nd last there is this section you would get to involving a jump across and it took me ages to figure out you needed to ease up on the joystick mid-flight to duck under this overhang... hence to say I'd get to this point many times with ALL my lives only to see them all drop down the hole... I never warped either I was obsessed with getting the highest score possible which I recall was around very early 90,000... I voted for GGS... although SSR definating is up there, I actually own two copies of this game... whatever you do Ami it'll be appreciated

16 June 2004, 04:29	#32
Slayer Amiga Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New Zealand Age: 43 Posts: 596	@Codetapper ;I've never actually seen the computer car crash - anyone else? I'm sure I've seen it drive off the road... either I forced it or such... not quite a crash but something to speculate... it's been a few years

16 June 2004, 07:57	#33
AmiGer Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 348	I have decrypted the track data for 99%. Computer speed is a combined calculation: 1) fixed speed table for all kinds of track part types (curve, straight,...) 2) for every track another table where the direction/speed changes and jumps are stored if this table isn't filled the computer car doesn't crash (I think it can't) but makes some very funny jumps up to the sky... __________________ * CARE project: Click here *

04 October 2005, 18:18	#36
Sid Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Berkshire, UK Age: 34 Posts: 85	AmiGer... Are you up for your greatest challenge yet??? Sid

05 October 2005, 09:00	#38
Dastardly Into the Wonderful Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gods Country Age: 35 Posts: 1,864	One thing I think would be awesome is Frontier online with real players piloting their own ships in the same universe and interacting. Not knowing anything about programming though I have no idea how difficult this would be although I imagine it would be a very big job. Freelancer would be perfect apart from the stupid save system. __________________ Into the Wonderful - The Bitmap Brothers Social Group

05 October 2005, 22:03	#39
Codetapper Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Age: 35 Posts: 1,839	This would probably be mission impossible, but I for one would LOVE to see some new F/A-18 Interceptor missions! Imagine a mission with 10 MiGs you have to shoot down or something, that'd rock!

05 October 2005, 22:11	#40
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Croydon / Surrey / UK Age: 33 Posts: 5,200	North & South with an option for two joysticks instead of one joystick and keys!

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