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Old 17 January 2004, 20:39   #1
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New retro mag

For UK peeps who care about this sort of thing; a new, quarterly retro mag has just launched called, imaginitivly, Retro Gamer.

It's the first ever "regular" retro mag and it's pretty good. There's a history of Mastertronic and a speccy special in this one. Also a feature on every game featuring Miner Willie released. There's tons of other stuff that I can't be arsed to list. It's not perfect but it's a great first issue - and the mag's editor DOES invite feedback.

There's a DVD on the front with 200 "remakes" of classic games. Not a patch on the originals but it's a nice idea.

Try it, this sort of thing need to be encouraged.

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Old 17 January 2004, 20:50   #2
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Any chance of scanning the front cover?

how much is it?

Who publishes it?
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Old 17 January 2004, 21:22   #3
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It's six quid (v. pricy, presumably cos it comes with a DVD) and it's published by Live Publishing. I can't scan it cos I don't have a scanner but it's gpt a navy blue cover with white lettering.

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Old 17 January 2004, 21:33   #4
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Found a copy today - the last one in the newsagents. Journalism-wise, it's dreadful. The facts aren't always accurate and the standard of editing is appalling. It's full of grammatical mistakes, typos, mis-edited sentences, etc.

11 of its 98 pages are taken up with retro-themed adverts; add that to the actual adverts and the exhaustive list of the cover CD's contents and it quickly becomes apparent that 6 is an awful lot to pay for the mag. I assume that much of this is because the first issue is a rush-job to meet the deadline.

I only recognise one journalist, Steve McNally, who used to write for either Amiga Action or The One (can't remember which). The mag is published by "Live Publishing". No, I've never heard of them either.

No scanner, I'm afraid, but here's a photie of the cover.
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Old 17 January 2004, 21:53   #5
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Sounds a complete waste of time then.

6 !?!?!
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Old 17 January 2004, 22:16   #6
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I agree that is needs a lot of improvement; but it IS a start. I emailed the editor with my complaints (and the stuff I liked). Don't write it off just yet; and let them know what you didn't like.
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I might pop out and buy this tomorrow/Monday...

Anything that covers Retro is a step in the right direction
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Old 17 January 2004, 23:06   #8
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Anything that covers Retro is a step in the right direction
I think that is the wrong attitude to take. The many mistakes in the magazine maybe ,as suggested, due to a tight deadline. That then suggests that the magazine is about making money first and foremost, an ethic which produces a lot of useless rubbish and crap.

Who will buy this? The person who wanders across and feels suddenly nostalgic and the "retro gamer" who will gladly buy anything, no matter how badly written.

I would love to at least read it myself but for 6 they are having a laugh.

I can't see it lasting.
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Okay I didn't get across what I meant!

If this magazine does well (regardless of how shite it might be) the bigger publishers might follow suit and see that there is a market for a proper retro mag, and produce one!!!
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I've just read it again and really don't understand how someone can say that the standard of writing is bad; to my mind, it's no better or worse than many games mags. The features on Mastertronic and the spectrum I particularly enjoyed. Such comments were made towards Edge Retro too, it's all down to personal taste I guess.

Most mags with covermount DVDs cost at least five quid, so six isn't THAT much...
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Okay I didn't get across what I meant!

If this magazine does well (regardless of how shite it might be) the bigger publishers might follow suit and see that there is a market for a proper retro mag, and produce one!!!
That makes more sense Bippym

But do you think there is a big enough demand? How many copies per month do think is enough?
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Old 18 January 2004, 14:54   #12
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I doubt that there's enough demand for a monthly mag, but this one's quarterly - next issue isn't out until April.
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Originally posted by Marlon I've just read it again and really don't understand how someone can say that the standard of writing is bad; to my mind, it's no better or worse than many games mags. The features on Mastertronic and the spectrum I particularly enjoyed. Such comments were made towards Edge Retro too, it's all down to personal taste I guess.

Most mags with covermount DVDs cost at least five quid, so six isn't THAT much...
It is a fairly enjoyable read, certainly, which is something that I didn't mention in my first post. However, the writing is unequivocably bad. It is more akin to an overenthusiastic GCSE essay than a professional magazine. You're right to say that it is "no better or worse than many games mags"; perhaps that is precisely the reason why I don't buy many games mags.

If you divide the gaming mag market up into two, with intelligent mags on one side (Amiga Power, Edge, Games (TM)) and populist trash on the other (Mean Machines, Amiga Action, Sinclair User), the new mag definitely falls within the latter category.

It all comes down to personal taste in the end (do you like big pictures and no words? Buy Mean Machines. Do you like entertaining prose? Buy Amiga Power), I suppose, but I don't think I can justify buying it regularly.

As for the covermount DVD - it isn't. It's a CD in a DVD case. The presence of the compact disc logo on the CD suggested this; a quick test in my CD-only drive confirmed it.

Anyway, despite my negative views, I heartily recommend that everyone buys this first issue and lets the editor know what he can do to improve it. Maybe the next issue will be better.
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Old 18 January 2004, 17:48   #14
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What's on that CD, btw.?
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Old 19 January 2004, 10:47   #15
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http://www.livepublishing.co.uk/content/retro1.shtml
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Old 19 January 2004, 11:30   #16
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Ive had a look at that magazine and it seems a bit thin for the price..

Also how did 'Robin Hood' get into the Amiga all time top ten !!!

Anyway I will probably buy two copies of it. One for me and one to sell on ebay in 3 months time when people buy the second issue and realise they have missed the first
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Stick out tongue Retro?

A gamesmag may call itself 'Retro' if the front-cover is at least handpainted (preferably by Olifer Frey) and the screenpictures are grabbed with a shoddy photocamera.
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Old 20 January 2004, 11:41   #18
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It's not that expensive considering inflation - the special mags when I was 15-17 slapped a 3-4 price on the front. Considering we're 10 years on, comes with a packed CD and is targeting a small market, it's not surprising to see a 6 figure. 5 probably would have been ideal however.

As I've said before, I still have my own personal collection of mags for retro nostalgia. Nothing beats the real thing, although it's nice to read recognised names from the past reliving the golden gaming era.

The internet also has some great sites and retro articles, although many have gone recently.
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The internet also has some great sites and retro articles, although many have gone recently.
that's no doubt due to the commercialisation of the 'retro' market.

This is bad news.
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Old 20 January 2004, 16:01   #20
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Yeah, I agree that nothing beats the real thing, just got to fill those gaps in my Zzap64 and Amiga Power collection
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