Calling all amiga coders/gfxrs/etc... [crazy :P] Amiga Game Project!

[Akira]

Hey EABers

I was playing a game today, on my Famicom, and it inspired me decide to start a project. I had the idea in my head for quite a while, but never started it since I never learned to code anything on the Amiga...

I still don't know how to program in Amiga ASM, and I don't want this to be done on C or something slow. I'll be doing most of the GFX bits (I could use help from someone in this area) and the music/sfx.

The target hardware for this game to run would be an unexpanded A1200. This is what I have in my mind but technical limitations might make this unfeasable and the specs would have to be increased, but I would like to stick to the stock EC020 setup, and probably adding some memory and an HD to the minimum requirements(probably a WHD-only game? this is an idea.). Of course it should also work on higher processors, that's why a WHD-only release comes to mind. I think nobody ever did a game specifically for WHDLoad, I could be wrong though, please correct me.

Of course as I said I can't do this alone, so I am in need of help. This is what I would need:

* Amiga programmer. I think ASM is a must to achieve the results I'd like. You have to be able to code some smooth, fast scrolling scenery (with some parallax). Speed is *key* to this game. I am open to suggestions though (Blitz or else)

* Pixel artist. Proficient with Deluxe Paint and any other tool you might want to use. To help me with the gfx bits.

* Chipmuso. To help with the music and stuff. Dunno which format should be used, I guess it depends on the coder's needs. I'd say Protracker or maybe AHX would do great.


Obviously, this project is for the love of the Amiga. I want to produce something for the Amiga, I want to thank this computer and the community around it for all that it gave me and taught me. There's no money involved in it, it will be free (we might accept donations though. send me all your old computers! :P), and it might cause some (c) problems :P Therefore, I'll be hosting game files in a server here in Argentina, since the I*DS*A and other shitheads cannot touch the files. I don't feel like saying yet what it is exactly so I don't create troubles in advance (aforementioned shit I*DS*A, creating false expectatives, etc.). As soon as the team is formed I will make a little website to tell you all about it.

Yes, I could be fucking crazy, but I'd really like this to be done. I have already started my work so we don't start from ground zero. And if this goes well I have other games in my mind that this new team could create.

That is all for now. If you are interested please PM me.

Mega thanks in advance!

[Enverex]

I have the time to help, but what I could help with, I am not entirely sure....... (did you know, everytime I post I add NS at the end then have to go back and edit my post..... EVERY SINGLE TIME )

[Akira]

Originally posted by NightShade737
(did you know, everytime I post I add NS at the end then have to go back and edit my post..... EVERY SINGLE TIME )

Yer crazy. That's a good sign!

What area would you be able to help with?

Oh yes, I have but one day a week to dedicate to this. It might be a slow project but I would like tyo get it going nonetheless.

[Codetapper]

One game springs to mind when I read all that - copyright infringement, fast scrolling etc!

You want to make Sonic don't you?

[RCK]

(c) problem ?

how could it be if you produce all gfx, music, and code ?

[andreas]

like in music industry:

if you steal an idea (just remember that silly E-F-chord-combination discussion with Metallica! ["THESE CHORDS ARE OURS!"]), you might get into trouble.

Remember what happened to Great Giana Sisters - it was cancelled shortly after release, just because Nintendo claimed they had stolen the idea!

So this should be taken with a grain of salt. :hoo

[Dastardly]

@Akira
Ive had a little practise with Dpaint (I have a thread with my work if your interested) and Id be happy to help out in this area

I suggested this idea a while ago as an EAB game but it just seemed to go round in circles and then didnt go anywhere. I hope the same doesnt happen again.

[Akira]

Originally posted by RCK
(c) problem ?

how could it be if you produce all gfx, music, and code ?

Err... Codetapper hit it right in the nail :P

I might expose myself in the line of fire here but I'll just say what I told to Codetapper, about what is the full idea. Sonic is an ideal game I'd love to see done, a game I am SURE is possible to make.

Have you seen the shit Amiga stuff like Bubble Heroes or something), that Puzzle Bobble clone? It makes me want to cry.

The idea here is to gather a group of talented Amiga people who will make unofficial ports of games that we were neglected or similar. Sonic, Puzzle Bobble, Kung Fu Master, whatever, there are shitloads of old, and not so old, feasible games that were not ported to the Amiga maybe because it was not profitable, or maybe because they just didnt know the machine (japanese developers spring to mind).

The idea is to make ports as close as possible, and not yet another, for example, Sonic-wannabe like Mr. Nutz or Kid Chaos. This will pose a definite (C) threat, recently on the NeoGeo Pocket dev community, a guy made a port of Manic Miner. It was exactly like the Speccy version! A brilliant game!! The bloody owners of the copyright (Jester Interactive methinks) told him to remove the game from his site. Fer fuck's sake, it was a game for a bloody dead console!

Same would apply here, that's why I wouldhave to host files in a place where copyright laws are mostly non-existant (ie argentina):P Just to avoid trouble and let the people get access to the files to spread.

I've seen Sonic on the neo Geo Pocket, and it';s brilliant, almost as good as its Genesis granddaddy. And today I was playing Somari on the Famicom, and that game is as close as Sonic on the NES as you can get, and it was almost better than the SMS port. If a bloody poopy NES can handle almost the same game, why not an Amiga? We were just neglected. Sonic got a PC release, but not an Amiga one because the market was just not there anymore.
Same could be said about shitloads of other games. Twinbee? Konami of japan never knew what an Amiga is, but you just have to go and watch Amibee to know how capable our little computer is. Amibee (get it from aminet, I am not sure how Konami didn;t try to pull a lawsuit on this guy, probably because he lives in Peru!@) is an excellent, almost perfect port of Twinbee. Galahad, your Atari ST game port is a good examplke of what I want to do!

While I wait for Mr. IDSA to come for my head, I await any comments that you guys might have. And if you can help I'd be a very happy boy.

[Akira]

I forgot to add... the main idea here is to form a group and start doing things. Sonic is my idea but we could of start with some other idea, or an already "in the works" game.

Say, Nightshade (picked a name at random mate ) wants make a game like Gals Panic. He has the core, but he has no gfx except the nekkid girl he drew with his hands (very poorly, might I add ).
I could of come up to help, taking Gals Panic's gfx, and adapting that to the core made by NS. Probably he was not planning a straight port, so changes will have to be made, but the concept will be in there and it would be a good start.

I started redoing Sonic GFX like 7 years ago on my Amiga, but I lost most of that work. Today it makes no sense to rework them from scratch if you can rip them from a rom image.
I also have some tunes for the game, which I might post some time soon. recomposed, of course, and not sounding too bad. This is what I have, and I will save it until the project gets finished.

I also started making graphics for porting R-Type to the NeoGeo Pocket. I found a coder and all, but due to my disappearance I never knew from the guy again (he had an R-Type engine running already, which coupled with my gfx would have been pretty good). Except for the disappearance part, this is the kind of stuff I want to generate.

Ok I am digressing now, I need food bye bye!

[FromWithin]

What's the point exactly?

I can understand doing a handheld version of a game, but why do a new Amiga conversion when emulators can run the real thing?

[killergorilla]

Because it's an achievement. I'd join in if I had any skills that would lend to such a task, but alas, tis not to be.

[IFW]

Let me quote someone here - it might sound familiar:
"Nothing beats the real thing" (TM)

If that fails you can still try to write or port a decent mgd (genesis) emulator and play the next best thing to the real thing...
The worst that you can do is imitate. The Sonic Team spent many man-years making the gameplay right.

Any good Amiga programmer should be able to do a Sonic like engine within a few weeks, months at most. Getting the gameplay right would be a few years more

Another point is innovation.
Amiga was the synonym for innovation in its heyday.
With a project where there are no financial, deadline or management constraints you should be able to do the absolute best game that ever graced the Amiga scene. Instead you copycat an existing one.

Please do the miggy a favor and create your dream game instead - I am sure everyone has one, I know I do (just not the money to make it happen).

[gary]

Can anyone tell me where I can find some good examples of Amiga assembly code? (eg: code that shows how to use the blitter, scroll backgrounds, etc). I've found some small examples before but they were usually messy, undocumented and took quite a bit of fiddling before they would compile and run. I don't suppose anyone has compilable source code for a full game (doesn't need to be a complicated game)? I'd really like to help on a project like this but my 68000 assembler knowledge is next to zero so it is not very realistic for me to put up my hand.

There still seem to be people actively creating demos (and games?) on the C64, I wish that was happening for the classic Amigas.

[Mr Softy]

This is ace. I cannot participate, but I wish you luck!

[blackcornflake]

Originally posted by IFW
The Sonic Team spent many man-years making the gameplay right. Any good Amiga programmer should be able to do a Sonic like engine within a few weeks, months at most. Getting the gameplay right would be a few years more

Great point. Something us non-coder types can help with perhaps.

I'll playtest the thing until it begs for mercy.

[KombatSanta]

hum, this sounds like an interresting project. i would love to get my hands dirty with a tracker program again. Don't know about the amount of time I have... but give me a howler when it's time to compete for intro and in-game music.

[Dastardly]

Originally posted by IFW


Another point is innovation.
Amiga was the synonym for innovation in its heyday.
With a project where there are no financial, deadline or management constraints you should be able to do the absolute best game that ever graced the Amiga scene. Instead you copycat an existing one.

Please do the miggy a favor and create your dream game instead - I am sure everyone has one, I know I do (just not the money to make it happen).

I have to agree with this point. With all the gaming experts gathered here at EAB we all know what makes a good game and whats been done before so why not try to create something original?

With a brainstorming session Im sure we could all come up with some very original ideas.

[KombatSanta]

Originally posted by Dastardly
I have to agree with this point. With all the gaming experts gathered here at EAB we all know what makes a good game and whats been done before so why not try to create something original?

With a brainstorming session Im sure we could all come up with some very original ideas.

well, the irc channel on day X at time Y. Akira set up the meeting

[Marcuz]

Some months ago i had proposed to rebuild a Eye of beholder clone or to decompile and reshape the real thing... all that it remains of it is a (bad in the end: the palette was screwed) new monster , a skeleton warrior.
on the other hand i have the time to do handdraw graphics, scan them and color them but i'm no good in pixel-by-pixel art.
anyway i used DPaint back then to redraw comic's panels/shots

[Frootloop]

I sometimes enjoy seeing game remakes. Most of them are crap (especially on the PC with Klik 'N Play!) but there are always a few gems to be found. And perhaps if your team works on a remake it'll be easier than designing something from scratch, so you'll build up some skills as a team and then be able to better create something totally new in the future.

As for Sonic the Hedgehog, that would be awesome on the Amiga, it could do it no problem. Heck, there's a Sonic demo for the ZX Spectrum. Sega also seems to be very lenient regarding fan games since there are many Sonic games for the PC on the net and I've never heard of any trouble. The Sonic Fan Games HQ has been running for years. But you could always make a Sonic-like game with a different looking character.

You know what I'd love to see on the Amiga? I decent Double Dragon remake! The official version was terrible, it didn't do the Amiga justice at all. Double Dragon 2 was better, but the first one has a special place in my heart since I enjoyed playing the arcade version.

[Antiriad]

Ah an interesting point that... to redo an existing bad port or do a new one...that is the question dear Yorrick...

Im of the mind that a port of a well known game that should have been ported to the Amiga is a good start. As previously said, better to cut the mustard on a port than a new game.

[bippym]

Why port something????

If I wanna play sonic I'll load up WGens or put it on the Real Thing (TM)!!

We could do a similar style of game but lets not get drawn into doing a fookin port of an existing game just to "prove" the Amiga can do it!!!

I think the Amiga is more capable than that anyway...... and a good platform/shoot 'em up/beat 'em up would be great. but an original NEW one :P

[Big-Byte]

I saw an amiga demo that a group did once which was basically the first level of sonic. they did it just to prove it could be done.

A good game that the amiga could handle would be Super Monkeyball Jnr or how about Advance Wars?

[Akira]

Originally posted by Big-Byte
I saw an amiga demo that a group did once which was basically the first level of sonic. they did it just to prove it could be done.

and it was shite. Either they were not serious about it, or they did it in an afternoon.

Originally posted by IFW
Let me quote someone here - it might sound familiar:
"Nothing beats the real thing" (TM)

Who said that?

I understand the point fully, and as I said, I see many "new" Amiga game releases being shit unofficial ports of said games, or ports from PC shite, so the state of affairs seems to be like the new Amiga games are all ports of games, and no original stuff. Difference is, they are done in "new style" and you need a bloody PPC or 060 to run most of them (not all)

Writing or porting a Genesis emulator to a stock A1200 is a no-no, as you might know.

The Sonic Team spent many man-years making the gameplay right.

Yes I agree completele, and this is the challenge I am looking most forward too.
As killergorilla said, it's an achievement to me. I am a HUGE Sonic fan and I have these games for breakfast, so having the gameplay just right is the key to this project's success, IMO. Having in mind this "port is shite" philosophy, I would have to look back then at Amiga games that were console or arcade ports, and say "These are all SHITE! Why didn't they make an original game?". Were those games shite in your opinion? I think they are not. You might say "Back then there was no emulation", and I agree. The thing here is take upon a conversion project like in the old days. It' more of a challenge, and I'd enjoy the end product a damn lot. why did this guy ported Sonic to the MSX if he could load up a PC and emulate it, or go out and buy the game and the console? Also, the experience with this project might lead to an original product from the same people, I don't know! This would be good too, the main idea here, as I said, is to generate a project and get it started. Mainly because I'd like to DO something for once, and because I am extremely disgusted by current Amiga productions. So instead of talking and talking and bashing these productions, I decided to start one on my own with a group of cool people.

Amiga was the synonym for innovation in its heyday.

As I said, today it is synonym of crap PC game ports and lame unofficial console/arcade ports.


As I said I was open to suggestions as to which would the starting project would be. How about porting something like Chu-Chu Rocket? Some guys did it for the Atari St, and I think it was brilliant.

Thanks for all the opinions and offers for help. I'll let you know how it all goes!

[Galahad/FLT]

start small, then think big!

Do a simple but nice puzzle game, the Super Nintendo has hundreds of Japanese Puzzle games that never saw the light of day in Europe.

If you can inspire people to produce a puzzle game and see it through, then that is good, but I think until you do it, people will steer clear of something like Sonic. Its a lot of work, assuming everyone stays the course.

Try doing a Jap puzzle game, that way you will know for sure whos going to help, and who thinks they can help!

[Akira]

That's what I meant with " I have alternatives"

I was thinking of porting Puyo Puyo, or Magical Drop. These games rock.

By the way Galahad, how's your ST port project? I'd like to help!

[Enverex]

Hey! Why not port Doom 3! I'm sure that will be a big hit .

But seriously, what about Golden Axe 2 or 3?

[IFW]

Novelty value of remakes come from the fact that they are upgraded to a better hardware than the one they were originally intended for.
We are talking about 10 years old hardware here, so consider the following...

Suppose you are a dissatisfied Amiga user, your platform has not seen much activity for years, but you were there in its heyday and enjoyed every moment of it.
You are fed up with PC ports, what now haunts your platform, though it is possible you can even only run those at framerates and resolutions that were fashionable on pc games half a decade ago...
Then some group suddenly does something wonderful: a new classic Amiga game is born!
You rush to download - man, it's free! - grab it, fire your amiga up, and... hurray, it's Sonic...
Been there, done that... you see you were into one of the best game machines of its time and if you wanted to play Sonic or Mario, you'd had bought it in the shop.
Nevertheless, if you were interested to the slightest you did play it then, and there is nothing more here on offer now, a decade later. What a sorrow disappointment.
Or you were not interested at all: then chances are you couldn't care less now.
Man, it's unbelievable that those guys who spent months if not years of their life creating something wonderful for a mostly abandoned platform decided to spend man years copying a game.
What an utter waste of talent...

Ok, let's see Chu-Chu:
if you want to play it, you go to a shop and buy it. That simple. Or if you really can't buy it download it from somewhere, burn it, flash it whatever.
Nothing novel, no 3d or pseudo 3d effects to be done like on the GBA or DC, so you can't improve on it and the game play had been right in the first place.
Good bye Chu-Chu...

Golden Axe: wow! If you hadn't played it to death on the arcade, you certainly did on your consoles. If you had not, better download mame and enjoy the second best to the Real Thing (tm)

Some snes crap: hurray I don't have to run it on an emulator. Great...
Goodbye snes crap...

These are a bit exagerrated examples, but the point they show is very easy to understand: for people starving for original games, or at least something that is not commonly and already available to not to disappoint them and not waste your and a bunch of other people's time and the users' only hope: just do something original.
As Galahad said: you don't have to start it big, you will fail that anyway. But certainly you can come up with something much better on your own, then copying existing games.
If you can't: you have a problem that should be resolved before doing anything.

I want to play this game on my Real Amiga (tm) and possibly thousands of people would want to do the same. But if is just a port - I couldn't care less whether it is a SNES, MGD, DC, GBA or PC port - I won't be bothered, just be very, very disappointed on all the talent and time wasted on something that could have been a very original and excellent project.

If you absolutely must copy an existing game do a remake of something nice, not widely available for a more modern hardware (in that regard sms, c64, nes, spectrum, bbc, etc based games are the only ones that you could really improve upon).
However I don't know of any law in the universe that enforces Amiga gamers to ever play only shit ports no matter what system gets ported, if such a law exists and must be obeyed by this project we are "Doom"ed indeed

[KombatSanta]

you make a lot of scence IFW, but on the other hand it's really hard to come up with an original game idea these days. Especially when those who wants to be involved in this project is scattered all over the world.

Perhaps taking an existing idea or game and enhancing it and make some original changes is the only way to really make something like this happen. Like you and galahad have hinted at: Keep it simple, and perhaps this project will become a finished result.

[Hammy]

what about a mini games collection?
a couple of puzzle, chu chu rocket, a crappy horizontal shooter and a bad port of sonic 2! why not?

im prepared to do a bit of graphics.. but im sloooooooooow

[Akira]

Hmpf. If I am only to make an original concept I would not start this at all. Which *original* games you see today on all platforms? Barely none. Games as innovative as Lemmings do not appear anymore and that's a fact.

So what's the difference if I, for example, like Sonic, and decide to do a fast-paced platformer like it? I already stole the idea, even if it looks completely different (read: Mr. Nutz). I like Puyo Puyo, and I decide to " base" a game on it. Ripoff already. As soon as a game "inspires" me, I'm ripping off its idea.

By your opinion, the only game worth releasing is an original game, the rest is shite. As you may see, the software business doesn't believe this and releases the same shit with different gfx over and over. I know I'm sick of that, but I rather rehash an almost dead genre like the 2D platformer or the graphic adventure, than release a doom wannabe, a redalert clone, or a tombraider "romp". I see shitloads of people who own Amigas buying this lame PC game port shit just to "support" the hardware.

I will repeat myself on this for the last time: The main idea is to gather a group of people and DO things. This was MY idea to start it up, and I still think it's good. If an original game concept comes out of all this, better yet. Though I think this won't be easy because, as I said, most of today's ideas go around the same basic principles set eons ago by classic games on 8 bit home computers. Which of today's popular games are innovative? You will find that most original games are not the popular ones, and they use to come for Japan. and you can count them with the fingers on your hands.

[Steve]

Akira, both IFW and Galahad are telling it how it is. Basically don't make a clone as people will only play it for a couple of minutes (for the novelty) and probably will never look at it again. Keep it simple is good advice. I'll use the old cliche and say don't run before you can walk. This reminds me of that "EAB Game" thread. It shouldn't be too difficult to think of simple game ideas. How about something like an EAB sliding block game where you have to arrange the blocks to make a "picture" of an EAB members avatar. Something simple like that. If you set your sights to high then you will quickly become bored of the project as you realise it's far too much work. Keep it simple, keep it safe.

[BobRedthorp]

Id be happy to get involved in the gfx side, I can efficiently use all main packages including Dpaint.

I like the idea of a Sonic type game.

I will be watching closely at this thread to find out more!

[IFW]

Creating a new shooter, platform whatever is not copying a specific game.
However starting a project to create Sonic, Chu-Chu Rocket, Golden Axe etc for the Amiga is a bad waste of resources.
I am positive you can come up with a new game in any genre that you'd enjoy playing without the need of breaking copyright laws and copying others' work.

My point is copying a game is pointless, it might be interesting strictly as a geek project (for a few dozen people at most, but not the end-users), you might raise some wows, but your work worth of years is wasted as pretty much everyone just deletes the game after having seen what it is.

So my call is to avoid any confusion: make a new game, you don't have to come up with a new genre, but you should be doing a new game that is not a port or a straight rip-off.
As an easy start surely you can think of a tiny little addictive something as an exercise and to get the group work as a team, in preparation for a bigger project.

Even combining the best elements of games you like is better, than copying them.
Alternatively do a remake for an exercise, but add something to the game, graphics sound and game play wise all if possible to make it worth the effort.

Just doing something and wasting talent instead of spending some time, creating, cherishing and enchancing a new game concept (again: not a new genre, etc) is not very useful.
Take your time, discuss the concept, do a decent design, and once everyone likes it create a prototype without a real engine to see if it really works as a computer game, not just as paperwork.
Once you are satisfied do the real engine, the real graphics, real sound etc.
This is how it works, an amateur project shouldn't be amateur because of being unprofessional, it should be amaetur because it is not profit oriented and is being done for the fun of it. (just like sport was supposed to work a few decades ago)

[the wolf]

Hmm.. Sonic, why not?
In an old thread I was talking about a very old project never finished (well, to be honest, NEVER STARTED!)

Here you can find some screenshots:
http://emulazione.multiplayer.it/arm.../geZoonic.html

The project started more than 10 years ago just after the release of Zool, along a friend of mine, for the first time at work with amiga assembly. Our aim was to do a mix between Sonic and Zool. Due to the restriction of Amiga 500 hardware, we abandoned the project (we have would to put in a multilevel parallax scrolling, bob effects, 32+32 colours at time). All running at 50 Hz (maybe this was too much for us!) For the hack... well, it speak for itself: Sega/Mega...

If you need some graphis for a clone of Sonic, I have something for you. Unfortunately, it's too much time I didn't use Dpaint and I have lost in my memories all my knowledge about this program and the "graphic touch", so I don't think to be helpful to do new stuff... sorry... (but your project, Akira, it's a great idea!)

[Dastardly]

I think the reason original games are rare these days is just pure laziness. I agree that its harder to think of original ideas because of the variety of genres already out there, but I think it will ALWAYS be possible to come up with something original if you have the imagination. Im sure people were saying all the ideas had already been done before Lemmings came along as well.

[Codetapper]

I disagree with anybody that thinks remaking an old game is wasting their time and resources.

If that was the case, why is Galahad converting "Super Sprint" from the Atari ST to the Amiga? I for one hope that his project gets finished as I would like to see this game on the Amiga.

As some others have said, you have to start somewhere! There are lots of Tetris games in the public domain - what some people here are saying is that the authors wasted their time writing them. I would argue that the people that wrote were probably learning to program and wanted to start with an established game idea and something quite small. While learning to program you almost always start by copying an established idea until you learn the ins and outs of the language. And as a bonus of learning, the Amiga will get a new old classic!

By remaking an old classic game you have the headstart of not having to create all the graphics and levels and lets you concentrate on getting the game right and learning to code. Once you have that under control you can move onto your own unique game.

If the Sonic engine turned out really well written you could easily add new features to it and modify the graphics/design to make a new game yourself, or add more levels.

I love games like Rodland and I would love to see a similar game with different levels and enemies. In fact the arcade version itself has an additional 32 levels if you press some key combination before pressing the Start button. I wouldn't see it as a waste of resources if somebody decided to redo Rodland with new levels.

Originally posted by IFW
My point is copying a game is pointless, it might be interesting strictly as a geek project (for a few dozen people at most, but not the end-users), you might raise some wows, but your work worth of years is wasted as pretty much everyone just deletes the game after having seen what it is.

I would argue this point aswell - if I loaded up a game that I do not like (I hate RPG type games so let's pick on Abandoned Places 2 - I've never played it incidentally) I would most likely play it for a few seconds and think "yawnsville" and delete it so what is the difference? If it's a good game, you will play it whether it's old or new.

I will end with the words of a famous Chinese furniture removal van driver: "An old game you have never played is still new to you".

[FromWithin]

Originally posted by Dastardly
I think the reason original games are rare these days is just pure laziness.

Nope, the reason is because very very few publishers will take the risk on an original product. If you do a sequel or a licence, then no problem. A licence or a sequel has something identifiable for the punter, so it is foolishly believed that it will sell enough units no matter how good it is. It's a huge problem at the moment. Independent developers are dieing off because publishers won't risk their products. Creative Assembly and Hotgen have just died, Core Design will probably die now because they have been dropped by Eidos for the Tomb Raider games, Crawfish died, Kaboom studios struggled, Argonauts have recently lost publishers for three of their games. It's going mental. If something is not done soon then there will be no real game industry in the UK.

[Akira]

I deny to turn this project into a "lame bat hitting an EAB ball or an EAB head or whatever". I am ambitious about the projects I do and I won't waste my time doing shite. Starting simple doiesn't mean starting shitty. If I start a shitty project I get bored of it. The challenge of a big difficult project is what gets me going, unlike most people who preffer sticking to simple things.

The idea of "start simple, think big!", which everyone seems to agree on (me included), is one of the reasons why porting a game would be a good starter. If we pick a simple enough game (like Magical Drop), it'll be easy to catch up on the skills of each individual and all of us as a group. We forget about getting the GFX right, getting the sound right, and the feel right. It's all defined already, we just have to make a product as faithful to the original as possible, and mission accomplished: we have finished a game project, we have individually developed our skills and we have worked as a team.

If everybody is so against a port, we'll make the game for ourselves only and enjoy it in the privacy of our Amigas, never spreading it anywhere since, it seems, it's a " waste of time" for the community who loves to play Duke Nukem 3D at 3 FPS on an 040. and they have to PAy for it. Fer foks sake.

The woolf: that's good stuff mate! Too bad you can't help us

[Shatterhand]

I personally would love to see Puyo Puyo ported on Amiga. And if extra stuff could be added, it would be even better.

I could help.. by giving ideas and designing levels