Weird physics game thing

FromWithin · 21 June 2003, 03:15

This is very obscure. I had a filthy pirate copy of it. I couldn't tell you if it was marketed as a game or as an educational title, but it was really good.

I remember lots of puzzles involving physics, like bouncing light beams of mirrors and stuff. I also remember driving a little tank thing across some screens affecting things on the landscape (again physics stuff) to allow the tank to pass.

This was a long time ago, must have been before 1990. I think it was on more than one disk and I've got a feeling that it wasn't by a UK company. Some other European country, maybe.

And no, I didn't dream it.

My memory of it is vague but I've wanted to see it again for years because I remember enjoying playing it.

haynor · 22 June 2003, 19:25

Lasermania !?!

Marcuz · 22 June 2003, 19:50

it reminds me deflector or it was deflektor? from gremlins

FromWithin · 22 June 2003, 20:22

It's not deflektor. Is there any more info on Lasermania?

It wasn't only bouncing light off mirrors, but I remember stuff to do with prisms and splitting light into primary colours and stuff.

Marcuz · 22 June 2003, 21:09

the end of the eye of the beholder 2!!! as for the tank, my warrior was boosted to 25 in every stat!
no sorry...

haynor · 28 June 2003, 17:17

Quote:

Is there any more info on Lasermania?

Look at HOL.

Twistin'Ghost · 29 June 2003, 06:49

HOL has an entry for Lasermania 2, although I have never been able to get the game to work (hence no screenshots).

haynor · 29 June 2003, 08:32

Since is a polish game Ishould try to make it works. Just give me one day.

andreas · 30 June 2003, 11:44

Cool.
Looks like a broken ADF, though, because this doesn't work on either UAE nor real Amiga.

haynor · 01 July 2003, 09:18

It's not broken! It just doesn't have bootblock, that's all. Game works even on expanded A1200 and emu. It is also hd installable. Released in 1995 not 1990 so this isn't the game You are looking for FromWithin.

andreas · 01 July 2003, 15:22

Quote:

Originally posted by haynor
It's not broken! It just doesn't have bootblock, that's all. Game works even on expanded A1200 and emu.

Yes!
That was the important info I needed.
Got it to work now, thanks!

Anyway, this MUST work without HD, just because there's a startup-sequence included and it auto-boots 'Lasermania 2' after showing a cheap crack intro!
Maybe the bootblock got destroyed.

Moreover, it looks like you must have a WB 3.x (edit: or WB 2.x) fonts disk for this game to work because only then it made it beyond the system requester! (You cannot cancel it with the mouse because there's no cursor.)

haynor · 01 July 2003, 16:31

Most of the LK Avalon games are created on WB 2.0. I think that cursor is not bug but System-Configuration makes invisible cursor. Delete system-configuration and You'll see cursor.

andreas · 01 July 2003, 22:22

NOT working.

Booting with WB 2.04 didn't give desired result.
Tried with WB in DF0:, Fonts in DF1:, Lasermania 2 in DF2:.

Needs to be tested on real A2000 with *this* WB version.

haynor · 01 July 2003, 22:37

It works on my config/HD.

andreas · 01 July 2003, 22:46

Needs explode.library! ( in LIBS: )

Snoopdos, I LOVE YOU!

No wonder this couldn't work with ORIGINAL unmodified WB 2!

haynor · 01 July 2003, 22:49

You see !!! Everything is possible.

andreas · 01 July 2003, 22:54

But why the hell this library is not ON THE DISK?!?

I assume it has been deleted.

haynor · 01 July 2003, 22:56

...or crackers packed exec with Imploder but forgot to put library on disk.

andreas · 01 July 2003, 23:14

Yeah, but does this matter?

PATCHED VERSION IN THE ZONE NOW!
Auto-boots with no problems now.

Forget all your Workbench disks from now on!

HOL should now be able to make screenshots of this game without silly workarounds.

haynor: if you have a clue how to play this game, tell me.

haynor · 11 July 2003, 21:33

Leets return to the topic...

Maybe "Beam" ?

01 September 2004, 00:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromWithin

I remember lots of puzzles involving physics, like bouncing light beams of mirrors and stuff. I also remember driving a little tank thing across some screens affecting things on the landscape (again physics stuff) to allow the tank to pass.

This was a long time ago, must have been before 1990. I think it was on more than one disk and I've got a feeling that it wasn't by a UK company. Some other European country, maybe.

And no, I didn't dream it.

My memory of it is vague but I've wanted to see it again for years because I remember enjoying playing it.

No, you didn't dream it. I know exactly the game you are talking about. Unfortunately I only have the same vague memory of it as you. I have thought about it often though over the years, as it was really a very well done game.

I did a fairly extensive google search on this the other day, but came up with nothing. There is a PC game called Laser Kombat (http://www.olympus.net/personal/dewey/laser/) that looks to have a similar idea. It is not as nice to look at as the Amiga version, and looks far more simplistic, but that has been the closest thing I could find so far. All the other suggestions in this thread have been good ones, but were not at all like the game we are looking for.

I wish I could provide more information, but I really don't have anything beyond what From Within mentioned. All I know is that I copied it from the bloke across the street back in New Zealand around 1989-1990.

Shoonay · 01 September 2004, 00:26

Something like a combination of this: http://hol.abime.net/?id=2177 ... this: http://hol.abime.net/?id=906 ... ... and this: http://hol.abime.net/?id=3336 ... it might been?

...neeeeed... moooooore.... hiiiiints...

FromWithin · 01 September 2004, 01:02

I can't believe this has come up again. 'Tis good. There may yet be hope. I'm really glad that someone else remembers it.

Now as I remember it, it would start off with a tutorial of some aspect of physics, like demonstrating light refraction through a prism, or similar. Then you would have a task of some sort involving whatever it had just taught you. The level I specifically remember was one with the tank/vehicle, as I said before. It was a bit like Deflektor in that you had to setup mirrors to bounce the light, but you controlled the tank/vehicle which you used to move across the screen and flick switches to move the mirrors; stuff like that.

07 September 2004, 07:43

I've scanned the titles of thousands of games over the last few days, but still haven't quite found it. The closest I have got is this game called Light Force by TSA Media. It seems to be a fairly similar game with similar principles, but the game I remember was much more professional looking (better gfx etc). Ah well, maybe one day I'll find it!

Codetapper · 07 September 2004, 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreas

You cannot cancel it with the mouse because there's no cursor.

You might be interested to know that you can press Left Amiga-V to press the left button (usually retry) of a system requester or Left Amiga-B to press the right button (usually cancel). Hence you don't need a mouse pointer!

Akira · 07 September 2004, 08:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codetapper

You might be interested to know that you can press Left Amiga-V to press the left button (usually retry) of a system requester or Left Amiga-B to press the right button (usually cancel). Hence you don't need a mouse pointer!

A "tip" that can be ---very easily--- found in any Amiga user's manual

02 April 2006, 07:37

I'm pretty sure the game you're thinking of is Light Force. If my memory serves me, it was a 2 disc game from an Australian company and shipped in a smaller-than-PC-game sized black box with some gold letters.

comawhite015 · 30 June 2006, 14:02

No, I remember this one from a thousand years ago also, and it isn't Light Force, nor Laser Mania 2, cuz I have both of those and they ain't gelling.. so hrm..

As far as melonscratchers go, this would most certainly seem to be somewhat of a honeydoodle.

Arse.

That's my contribution.

25 November 2008, 20:01

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but since it was never figured out, and I had the exact same question on a different forum about five years ago, I figured I'd chime in so this thread can finally serve its purpose.

I was trying to figure out the name of a Laser and Mirrors game back in 2003. People kept saying Deflektor or Lasermania, which were both wrong. I just remembered that there were directional mirrors and prisms and prize bubbles and just a huge assortment of level elements; and that you could build your own levels.

I eventually found out that the game I was looking for was Mindbender.

Screenshot

I hope that's what you were looking for.

DamienD · 25 November 2008, 21:47

Hello there TheNilvarg,

Welcome to EAB and nice input

Hopefully it is the game FromWithin is after, although I don't see any tanks in the screenshots.

One small thing, your screenshot link to Lemon doesn't work so I've added a link to the Mindbender HOL screenshots instead

rsn8887 · 25 November 2008, 23:58

Sorry, but no way it is Mindbender. I mean yes it is an awesome game, but there's no tanks at all in it

21 June 2003, 03:15	#1
FromWithin Music lord Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Liverpool, UK Age: 39 Posts: 580	Weird physics game thing This is very obscure. I had a filthy pirate copy of it. I couldn't tell you if it was marketed as a game or as an educational title, but it was really good. I remember lots of puzzles involving physics, like bouncing light beams of mirrors and stuff. I also remember driving a little tank thing across some screens affecting things on the landscape (again physics stuff) to allow the tank to pass. This was a long time ago, must have been before 1990. I think it was on more than one disk and I've got a feeling that it wasn't by a UK company. Some other European country, maybe. And no, I didn't dream it. My memory of it is vague but I've wanted to see it again for years because I remember enjoying playing it. __________________ MikeC - fromwithin.com

22 June 2003, 20:22	#4
FromWithin Music lord Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Liverpool, UK Age: 39 Posts: 580	It's not deflektor. Is there any more info on Lasermania? It wasn't only bouncing light off mirrors, but I remember stuff to do with prisms and splitting light into primary colours and stuff. __________________ MikeC - fromwithin.com

29 June 2003, 08:32	#8
haynor retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 34 Posts: 1,327	Since is a polish game Ishould try to make it works. Just give me one day. __________________ Amiga 1200; turbo 1230 mk2 (68EC030); 32 Mb Fast; Sandisk Extreme 4Gb, PCMCIA/CF converter

01 July 2003, 22:22	#13
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 39 Posts: 5,858	NOT working. Booting with WB 2.04 didn't give desired result. Tried with WB in DF0:, Fonts in DF1:, Lasermania 2 in DF2:. Needs to be tested on real A2000 with this WB version. Last edited by andreas; 01 July 2003 at 22:46.

01 September 2004, 00:26	#22
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Posts: 5,844	Something like a combination of this: http://hol.abime.net/?id=2177 ... this: http://hol.abime.net/?id=906 ... ... and this: http://hol.abime.net/?id=3336 ... it might been? ...neeeeed... moooooore.... hiiiiints... __________________ "I used to be an Amiga user, then I took an arrow in the knee."

22 June 2003, 19:25	#2
haynor retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 34 Posts: 1,327	Lasermania !?!

22 June 2003, 19:50	#3
Marcuz Wurk??? Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 37 Posts: 4,741	it reminds me deflector or it was deflektor? from gremlins

22 June 2003, 21:09	#5
Marcuz Wurk??? Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 37 Posts: 4,741	the end of the eye of the beholder 2!!! as for the tank, my warrior was boosted to 25 in every stat! no sorry...

29 June 2003, 06:49	#7
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 22 Posts: 4,662	HOL has an entry for Lasermania 2, although I have never been able to get the game to work (hence no screenshots).

30 June 2003, 11:44	#9
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 39 Posts: 5,858	Cool. Looks like a broken ADF, though, because this doesn't work on either UAE nor real Amiga.

01 July 2003, 09:18	#10
haynor retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 34 Posts: 1,327	It's not broken! It just doesn't have bootblock, that's all. Game works even on expanded A1200 and emu. It is also hd installable. Released in 1995 not 1990 so this isn't the game You are looking for FromWithin.

01 July 2003, 16:31	#12
haynor retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 34 Posts: 1,327	Most of the LK Avalon games are created on WB 2.0. I think that cursor is not bug but System-Configuration makes invisible cursor. Delete system-configuration and You'll see cursor.

01 July 2003, 22:37	#14
haynor retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 34 Posts: 1,327	It works on my config/HD.

01 July 2003, 22:46	#15
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 39 Posts: 5,858	Needs explode.library! ( in LIBS: ) Snoopdos, I LOVE YOU! No wonder this couldn't work with ORIGINAL unmodified WB 2!

01 July 2003, 22:49	#16
haynor retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 34 Posts: 1,327	You see !!! Everything is possible.

01 July 2003, 22:54	#17
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 39 Posts: 5,858	But why the hell this library is not ON THE DISK?!? I assume it has been deleted.

01 July 2003, 22:56	#18
haynor retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 34 Posts: 1,327	...or crackers packed exec with Imploder but forgot to put library on disk.

01 July 2003, 23:14	#19
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 39 Posts: 5,858	Yeah, but does this matter? PATCHED VERSION IN THE ZONE NOW! Auto-boots with no problems now. Forget all your Workbench disks from now on! HOL should now be able to make screenshots of this game without silly workarounds. haynor: if you have a clue how to play this game, tell me.

11 July 2003, 21:33	#20
haynor retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 34 Posts: 1,327	Leets return to the topic... Maybe "Beam" ?

01 September 2004, 01:02	#23
FromWithin Music lord Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Liverpool, UK Age: 39 Posts: 580	I can't believe this has come up again. 'Tis good. There may yet be hope. I'm really glad that someone else remembers it. Now as I remember it, it would start off with a tutorial of some aspect of physics, like demonstrating light refraction through a prism, or similar. Then you would have a task of some sort involving whatever it had just taught you. The level I specifically remember was one with the tank/vehicle, as I said before. It was a bit like Deflektor in that you had to setup mirrors to bounce the light, but you controlled the tank/vehicle which you used to move across the screen and flick switches to move the mirrors; stuff like that. __________________ MikeC - fromwithin.com

07 September 2004, 07:43	#24
Mrukk Posts: n/a	I've scanned the titles of thousands of games over the last few days, but still haven't quite found it. The closest I have got is this game called Light Force by TSA Media. It seems to be a fairly similar game with similar principles, but the game I remember was much more professional looking (better gfx etc). Ah well, maybe one day I'll find it!

02 April 2006, 07:37	#27
LightForceFan Posts: n/a	I'm pretty sure the game you're thinking of is Light Force. If my memory serves me, it was a 2 disc game from an Australian company and shipped in a smaller-than-PC-game sized black box with some gold letters.

30 June 2006, 14:02	#28
comawhite015 Put him in the curry! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Age: 29 Posts: 75	mm No, I remember this one from a thousand years ago also, and it isn't Light Force, nor Laser Mania 2, cuz I have both of those and they ain't gelling.. so hrm.. As far as melonscratchers go, this would most certainly seem to be somewhat of a honeydoodle. Arse. That's my contribution.

25 November 2008, 20:01	#29
TheNilvarg Posts: n/a	Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but since it was never figured out, and I had the exact same question on a different forum about five years ago, I figured I'd chime in so this thread can finally serve its purpose. I was trying to figure out the name of a Laser and Mirrors game back in 2003. People kept saying Deflektor or Lasermania, which were both wrong. I just remembered that there were directional mirrors and prisms and prize bubbles and just a huge assortment of level elements; and that you could build your own levels. I eventually found out that the game I was looking for was Mindbender. Screenshot I hope that's what you were looking for.

25 November 2008, 21:47	#30
DamienD Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sydney / London Age: 36 Posts: 5,059	Hello there TheNilvarg, Welcome to EAB and nice input Hopefully it is the game FromWithin is after, although I don't see any tanks in the screenshots. One small thing, your screenshot link to Lemon doesn't work so I've added a link to the Mindbender HOL screenshots instead

25 November 2008, 23:58	#31
rsn8887 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Germantown, Maryland / USA, born in Hannover / Germany Posts: 587	Sorry, but no way it is Mindbender. I mean yes it is an awesome game, but there's no tanks at all in it

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