Possible to launch floppies from a large number in .zip?

Foebane · 02 February 2019, 18:53

I know that you can take an ADF file and zip it up and WinUAE will still read it fine, and that you could take a few ADFs in a zip and select them from a drop-down list in floppies, but is it possible to take dozens or even hundreds of ADFs and bootable exes in a single zip? The idea is I'd like to compress an entire folder of disks and exes into a single zip rather than individual zips for each and every one.

I experimented earlier with the current system and it seemed to have an upper limit of a few dozen or so, and not all of the 170+ files in my zip were listed. What is the upper limit? If I have to break up the folder into a few zips, I don't really mind, but I would prefer no limits.

Foebane · 02 February 2019, 19:26

I've just tested, and it seems the drop-down list limit is 50. I guess the folder will have to be split up then.

DamienD · 02 February 2019, 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foebane

The idea is I'd like to compress an entire folder of disks and exes into a single zip rather than individual zips for each and every one.

Why would you or anyone want to do this?

Also, if you keep files zipped then nothing can be written to them, which will be a problem if a game saves hiscores or settings.

Foebane · 02 February 2019, 19:46

At the moment, I have hundreds of Amiga files that I store in an ISO image, but it doesn't compress anything, but I use ISO as the contents cannot be changed (storage) and I can burn it onto recordable DVD immediately as backup.

I was investigating zipping up whole folders of these files to compress them and reduce the size of the ISO and still being able to access them when done (the alternative would be extractions beforehand) but having tried it out this afternoon, it's proven to be impractical.

I'm forever trying to organise my files in different ways, just so you know. It may be strange, but I like doing so.

AMIGASYSTEM · 02 February 2019, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foebane

I experimented earlier with the current system and it seemed to have an upper limit of a few dozen or so, and not all of the 170+ files in my zip were listed. What is the upper limit? If I have to break up the folder into a few zips, I don't really mind, but I would prefer no limits.

I do not know if I understand correctly, I do not know the maximum limit of files that you can compress in Zip certainly are many and many more than 170. I tested a folder with 300 .adf and I had no problem, saved 100MB of space.

Foebane · 02 February 2019, 20:22

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Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

I do not know if I understand correctly, I do not know the maximum limit of files that you can compress in Zip certainly are many and many more than 170. I tested a folder with 300 .adf and I had no problem, saved 100MB of space.

How did you run them from the .zip through WinUAE without extracting?

AMIGASYSTEM · 02 February 2019, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Foebane

How did you run them from the .zip through WinUAE without extracting?

You do not have to extract them, you just have to drag them from the GUI of WinZip or WinRAR etc .. into the floppy drive of WinUAE, see video attached, the rest will think Windows to create the virtual floppy in the TEMP

Toni Wilen · 02 February 2019, 20:32

History list is restricted to sane size.. You can also manually use two path types:

name_of_zip.zip\name_of_file_inside_zip.adf

or

name_of_zip.zip\#100 = open file number 100 in zip.

Foebane · 02 February 2019, 21:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

You do not have to extract them, you just have to drag them from the GUI of WinZip or WinRAR etc .. into the floppy drive of WinUAE, see video attached, the rest will think Windows to create the virtual floppy in the TEMP

Your video nicely demonstrates how to do this in a window, but I always run WinUAE in fullscreen. What is the procedure for that? I tried drag-n-drop with ordinary files, but it ignored those from an archive opened in 7-Zip and File Explorer.

AMIGASYSTEM · 02 February 2019, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foebane

Your video nicely demonstrates how to do this in a window, but I always run WinUAE in fullscreen. What is the procedure for that? I tried drag-n-drop with ordinary files, but it ignored those from an archive opened in 7-Zip and File Explorer.

Simple, just use the Alt-Tab keys and take the file wherever you want, see video

DamienD · 02 February 2019, 21:52

You guys do realise that you don't have to be in the "Floppy drives" section?

This thread has details about a feature that's in v4.1.0: Pointless Feature Request - Zoned areas for drag and drop

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Window corners now work as drag'n'drop hot spots for different floppy drives. (top/left=0, top/right=1, bottom/left=2, bottom/right=3).

This works in Windowed, Fullscreen or Full-window modes.

Foebane · 02 February 2019, 21:53

For some reason, WinUAE is ignoring files dragged from zip archives on 7-Zip (I created the zip archives from that as well). I keep getting the "circle with a slash through it".

AMIGASYSTEM · 02 February 2019, 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foebane

For some reason, WinUAE is ignoring files dragged from zip archives on 7-Zip (I created the zip archives from that as well). I keep getting the "circle with a slash through it".

Yes confirm, the files dragged from the 7-Zip GUI on WinUAE do not work, while with the GUI of Windows Explorer it is not possible to drag the files from on WinUAE (tested only with Win7 32Bit)

Everything works perfectly with WinRAR (you can also do it to save on the floppy), i have not tested other archivers.

@Damiano
Sorry, you can move everything if you think it's appropriate

DamienD · 02 February 2019, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

while with the GUI of Windows Explorer it is not possible to drag the files from on WinUAE (tested only with Win7 32Bit)

Weird, dragging .ZIP files from Windows Explorer works fine here.

I'm using Windows 7 [64-bit] though, but can't imagine using [32-bit] would make a difference...

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

@Damiano
Sorry, you can move everything if you think it's appropriate

The comments I made were not for the purpose of moving / merging threads.

It was for you guys to be made aware of the "drag'n'drop hot spots"

AMIGASYSTEM · 02 February 2019, 22:31

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Originally Posted by DamienD

Weird, dragging .ZIP files from Windows Explorer works fine here.

I'm using Windows 7 [64-bit] though, but can't imagine using [32-bit] would make a difference...

Damiano, i was not talking about dragging .ZIP files but the file .ADF contained in the ZIP as shown in the two videos.

Foebane · 02 February 2019, 23:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

Everything works perfectly with WinRAR (you can also do it to save on the floppy), i have not tested other archivers.

Confirmed! (I just checked, lucky I registered WinRAR a long time ago)

What I've tried is to open WinUAE to my specified floppy configuration, then press the middle mouse button to get back to the desktop and drag an item from WinRAR to the WinUAE icon on the taskbar. It then goes to WinUAE fullscreen and I can drop it then, and it will boot, although I have to restart the Amiga if something's already running.

However, doing this seems to not change the disk unless I eject it with Shift+End+F1 first.

AMIGASYSTEM · 02 February 2019, 23:09

Ok, WinRAR Number 1

Foebane · 02 February 2019, 23:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

Ok, WinRAR Number 1

Yeah, this conversation tonight reminded me that 7-Zip has issues with drag and drop, I'd completely forgotten. I would've preferred to just have the one archiver, but more than one is more useful.

AMIGASYSTEM · 02 February 2019, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foebane

I would've preferred to just have the one archiver, but more than one is more useful.

Yes, an Italian TV spot says .. two and better than one

Quote:

However, doing this seems to not change the disk unless I eject it with Shift+End+F1 first.

Even here there is a solution, you can drag on the AMiGA screen the ADF without using F12, in this way the exchange will be automatic, watch video

DamienD · 03 February 2019, 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foebane

What I've tried is to open WinUAE to my specified floppy configuration, then press the middle mouse button to get back to the desktop and drag an item from WinRAR to the WinUAE icon on the taskbar. It then goes to WinUAE fullscreen and I can drop it then, and it will boot, although I have to restart the Amiga if something's already running.

Yes, you have to reset if something's already running.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foebane

However, doing this seems to not change the disk unless I eject it with Shift+End+F1 first.

Doesn't happen here... are you using the "drag'n'drop hot spots" method? Don't have the GUI open at all, or be on the "Floppy drives" section.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Window corners now work as drag'n'drop hot spots for different floppy drives. (top/left=0, top/right=1, bottom/left=2, bottom/right=3).

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

Ok, WinRAR Number 1

Yup, I don't use any other compression software on Windows.

WinRAR is all anyone should need

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02 February 2019, 18:53	#1
Foebane Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cardiff, UK Age: 51 Posts: 2,871	Possible to launch floppies from a large number in .zip? I know that you can take an ADF file and zip it up and WinUAE will still read it fine, and that you could take a few ADFs in a zip and select them from a drop-down list in floppies, but is it possible to take dozens or even hundreds of ADFs and bootable exes in a single zip? The idea is I'd like to compress an entire folder of disks and exes into a single zip rather than individual zips for each and every one. I experimented earlier with the current system and it seemed to have an upper limit of a few dozen or so, and not all of the 170+ files in my zip were listed. What is the upper limit? If I have to break up the folder into a few zips, I don't really mind, but I would prefer no limits.

02 February 2019, 19:26	#2
Foebane Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cardiff, UK Age: 51 Posts: 2,871	I've just tested, and it seems the drop-down list limit is 50. I guess the folder will have to be split up then.

02 February 2019, 19:46	#4
Foebane Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cardiff, UK Age: 51 Posts: 2,871	At the moment, I have hundreds of Amiga files that I store in an ISO image, but it doesn't compress anything, but I use ISO as the contents cannot be changed (storage) and I can burn it onto recordable DVD immediately as backup. I was investigating zipping up whole folders of these files to compress them and reduce the size of the ISO and still being able to access them when done (the alternative would be extractions beforehand) but having tried it out this afternoon, it's proven to be impractical. I'm forever trying to organise my files in different ways, just so you know. It may be strange, but I like doing so.

02 February 2019, 20:32	#8
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,515	History list is restricted to sane size.. You can also manually use two path types: name_of_zip.zip\name_of_file_inside_zip.adf or name_of_zip.zip\#100 = open file number 100 in zip.

02 February 2019, 21:53	#12
Foebane Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cardiff, UK Age: 51 Posts: 2,871	For some reason, WinUAE is ignoring files dragged from zip archives on 7-Zip (I created the zip archives from that as well). I keep getting the "circle with a slash through it".

02 February 2019, 23:09	#17
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,252	Ok, WinRAR Number 1

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