26 May 2016, 11:05 | #201 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Sweden
Age: 50
Posts: 2,946
|
Quote:
Skickat från min HTC One via Tapatalk |
|
26 May 2016, 11:51 | #202 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Norway
Posts: 387
|
Quote:
Some of the complaints Ive heard regarding AROS was its speed, but thats just a developing issue. As things get optimized, performance increases. But as you say, people has a pre-determined opinion about something based on its CURRENT performance, not on its potential. Which is a pity. |
|
26 May 2016, 12:04 | #203 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Nuernberg
Posts: 795
|
@Overflow<br /><br />
<br /><br /> Opensource lives from participating, it is not just money. Participating means testing, using it, giving feedback. Most people are passive, not willing to invest time in something to become a alternative in future, they say oh this and that is faster/better/more optimized on 3.X, why do we need something else? And because of that there will never be a alternative in reality, also if I look at Gunnars comments it is obvious that he prefers 3.X and not really stands behind something different, it would have been only a alternative when 3.X not works. I personal have no problem with it, you could say it creates a market for some commercial development. The other side is 3.X users will (similar to 4.X users) pay for everything then and there will be a dependency on the copyright owners. Not my idea of the future so not my way...<br /> <br /> Anyway I have more interesting things I am busy now... I have bought a smartphone recently and still playing around with it, have a new software for app-development I am working with and nice game-development environment I can do games for mobile devices and browsers. Lots of interesting things to do (and useful for work mostly), I am not missing amiga stuff at the moment. Last edited by OlafSch; 26 May 2016 at 12:28. |
26 May 2016, 12:47 | #204 |
www.majsta.com
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Banjaluka/Republic of Srpska
Age: 43
Posts: 448
|
So much energy wasted in this and some other topics. Just 1% from time time wasted on arguing on the forums invested in coding, soldering, designing for Amiga we wouldn't be in situation where we are now. As I see it complete things began to happen because competition who is not welcomed at all.
|
26 May 2016, 13:46 | #205 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: berlin/germany
Posts: 1,054
|
Quote:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ght=heiroglyph .. for the sake of it, while i trust it will be another strawfire, especially no idividual here can sustain a bigger project all alone. people need to learn to cooperate within a bigger structure, alas, even if its trade off, rather than insist on pulling their own thing. aros provides such a structure. if more 68k people contributed, we would not only have a free rtg system but a whole working os replacement by now.. |
|
26 May 2016, 15:06 | #206 | |
BoingBagged
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The South of nowhere
Age: 46
Posts: 2,358
|
Quote:
So, for me, in order to put Aros68k back on track a fork or a complete roadmap change is required, because if it continues to follow the way it has, it will certainly still be what it is now: an outcast from real Amiga hardware destined solely for some corner case use. I really hope this changes. |
|
26 May 2016, 15:35 | #207 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Thunder Bay, Canada
Posts: 4,323
|
Quote:
|
|
26 May 2016, 18:10 | #208 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: berlin/germany
Posts: 1,054
|
Quote:
such things mus be discussed. not aggressively, and one by one, compromises may be found. but it needs that people get involved, they of course cant simply overthrow how aros is structured for now, but working their way in, earning trust of the team as jason did, they can adjust things in a way more favourable for us (68k). it is at least a possibility. i dont see any other infrastructure thet would provide such possibility, since simply there is no other open and working amiga os reimplementation ot there. heiroglyph approach is all fine, and im supporting him, but i doubt that it is maintainable. he had several projects worked in in the last years but he didnt publish them up till now, so this is an example of what im saying, an individual cant lift such a burden alone, no matter how skilled, and how much good will he has at a given point. all alone he will eventually give up. we need to team up, as apollo people did. |
|
26 May 2016, 18:11 | #209 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: berlin/germany
Posts: 1,054
|
unfortunatelly i think this train has departed. one way or the other p96 will remain to be closed source and proprietary, with a public ddk (examples) best case. either we go along with this or we need to find something else. aros cgx as such is working on my a4k with p4 or cv64 rather well for the time being, there is one main bug i hope toni looks after, when ready with uae3.3, and few non critical. however also aros cgx uses currently p96 driver files via wrapper. native drivers would be another matter.
|
26 May 2016, 20:40 | #210 |
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Europe
Posts: 470
|
@wawa
The participants (at least at a1k.org) are clear about the fact, that there are updates and bugfixes already in some drawer (thor...). So one can assume the next to be available P96 will be different from the old Aminet archive and improved as well. Nobody must pay as it will stay free of choice - like shareware. On the other hand maybe the hardware vendors will have to get a license per device - we will see. To publish a half open DDK would be stupid - J. has never been proved stupid so far (AFAIK). |
26 May 2016, 20:59 | #211 |
Amigan
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: London
Posts: 1,309
|
|
26 May 2016, 21:42 | #212 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: berlin/germany
Posts: 1,054
|
or net bsd. its also rather well supported what concerns amiga hardware, even pci bridges and actively maintained. i tried to interest radoslaw with an option to help out wth aros, but he refused. also phx doesnt seem to have much entusiasm for it. its a pity.
|
26 May 2016, 22:57 | #213 |
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Amigaplanet
Posts: 645
|
Seems to be everything fine for now. DDK will be free for developers, user has to register driver. Development of a newer version is already ongoing.
|
27 May 2016, 04:49 | #214 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 97
|
I'll just chime in here since I was mentioned directly.
If you aren't skeptical of what I'm working on, you should be. It's not easy and it's likely to go nowhere like most projects do. I haven't even had an offer of help other than Jim Drew offering optimizations once it's at that point. (Thanks Jim!) I'm personally glad to see that most people aren't posting news about it all over like it's a huge deal. I'm finishing up a project that I already had started, learning the Aros codebase so that I'm familiar with what's there and honestly, waiting to see what's happening with P96 and CGX before I dive in. This isn't a project I'm particularly interested in, I just think someone needs to do something. |
27 May 2016, 05:14 | #215 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Worksop/UK
Age: 59
Posts: 1,328
|
Quote:
|
|
27 May 2016, 10:15 | #216 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Nuernberg
Posts: 795
|
We will see what will happen in future... there were two visions of a possible future, a open and free platform but needing participation and not passive sitting (and moaning about costs or lack of progress) or a closed but commercial platform with again being dependent on individuals (copyright owners) and of course paying for everything. Obviously most are for the second, but then I would recommend people not to moan about what might happen because I will remind everyone what he wrote.
|
27 May 2016, 12:26 | #217 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Nuernberg
Posts: 795
|
a small update... Jens S. has posted that the old P96 archive will stay in internet, all old drivers will be legalized just that the new updated and bugfixed version will be sold with his shop. That does not sound that bad I must admit, users still have the choice and not legal actions against the developers. Still wondering why he used such a aggressive tone in his message though.
|
27 May 2016, 12:36 | #218 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Telemark
Posts: 207
|
Well, he saw the reactions in the community, and adjusted his compass..or his communication skills failed him at this point. Sometimes he can be interpreted as being harsh, while I don't think this is his intention.. wow.. look at me, "defending" JS. My other criticism still stands though.
In the end the p96 issue looks to turn out reasonably well. We'll see. Last edited by roomeo; 27 May 2016 at 12:51. Reason: More blablabla |
27 May 2016, 12:43 | #219 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Nuernberg
Posts: 795
|
|
27 May 2016, 12:56 | #220 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Telemark
Posts: 207
|
I don't understand a lot of his actions. This is one of them. I just don't think he seeks all these shitstorms intentional. But after some time you should have learnt a lesson or two on how to communicate with demanding old grumpy geeks like us.
Last edited by roomeo; 27 May 2016 at 13:03. Reason: Yo mama! |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
Thread Tools | |
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
C64 Forever ROM licensing | Rixa | Retrogaming General Discussion | 15 | 12 December 2019 19:12 |
Status of 5x A4000. | Turran | Hardware pics | 7 | 06 January 2014 13:05 |
Status LEDs | xArtx | support.WinUAE | 4 | 14 June 2013 11:08 |
Poseidon Licensing | paulo_becas | support.Apps | 6 | 18 April 2013 08:12 |
CARE status | AmiGer | project.CARE | 11 | 28 August 2006 10:47 |
|
|