HD Dead?

Monolith · 20 November 2005, 21:19

Hello all, when reviving my (t)rusty old A600, I noticed that the HD wouldn't boot (heck, the last time I booted it was, what, 10 years ago?).

Now the funny thing with this HD is that
- it spins up
- it rattles like it's doing something
- it doesn't boot
- it keeps the HDD led on continuously.

Is this drive dead? It's a Quantum go-drive, IIRC a 120Mb model. At the moment, I can't find my old Workbench floppies anywhere, so all I have to look at at the moment is the purple "flying floppy" screen.

thomas · 20 November 2005, 21:31

What happens if you press Ctrl-Amiga-Amiga ?

Monolith · 20 November 2005, 21:36

It reboots and does the same thing again, the HDD light just stays on.

I remember that the HDD didn't spin up in time for the system to start booting off the HDD, so I had to do that all the time anyway...

Monolith · 21 November 2005, 17:42

Well I finally found my old 2.5"->3.5" connector thingy back and I've got loads of 3,5" discs laying around, so I'll give one of those drives a shot to see whether it's the HD, or whether the IDE bus just failed on me

NOB · 21 November 2005, 19:04

Try another power supply.A A500 Power Supply will work too.

Monolith · 22 November 2005, 12:39

Well, here's an update.

Found my 2.5"->3.5" adapter cable, and using an external power supply I hooked up 5 different 3.5" harddisks, capacities ranging from 200Mb - 17.9 Gb. Booted Workbench and HDToolbox, but regardless of type, size and jumper setting, neither of them showed up in the HDToolbox screen.

The problem of the HDD-led always being on was eliminated with those other harddisks, and as the HDD-led was blinking at start-up, something appeared to be happening. But as said, none showed up in HDToolbox.

I can remember the pre-boot screen you get in when you press both mouse buttons at start-up, but as I don't have a working mouse at the moment I can't get there to see what settings there are in this screen.

Any suggestions, anyone? Any verdict on the status of the IDE-bus? Anything I'm doing REALLY wrong?

lopos2000 · 22 November 2005, 13:01

Have you checked that the cable is connected correctly to A1200 IDE port? Pin 1 to pin1 etc. where Pin 1 normaly is marked on the IDE cable (red or black line)

Monolith · 22 November 2005, 13:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by lopos2000

Have you checked that the cable is connected correctly to A1200 IDE port? Pin 1 to pin1 etc. where Pin 1 normaly is marked on the IDE cable (red or black line)

Yes, the red stripe is connected to pin 1, same on the HD. Aside from the IDE-bus maybe being broken, everything is OK on the hardware side, I think.

Do I need to get in that pre-boot menu to change settings?

thomas · 22 November 2005, 13:19

Did you check that HDToolbox is actually scanning your IDE bus ? Perhaps the tooltypes settings were changed earlier and now it does not check scsi.device. There should be one tooltype reading SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=scsi.device and there should be no brackets around it. Or, if you are using OS3.5 or higher, try the ASKDEVICE tooltype.

Monolith · 22 November 2005, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

Did you check that HDToolbox is actually scanning your IDE bus ? Perhaps the tooltypes settings were changed earlier and now it does not check scsi.device. There should be one tooltype reading SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=scsi.device and there should be no brackets around it. Or, if you are using OS3.5 or higher, try the ASKDEVICE tooltype.

Wow, you lost me there. Where do I edit the tooltype? It's been more than 10 years ago since I worked around the Workbench OS, so it's all a bit rusty. Currently running WB2.0 on KS2.05 by the way.

thomas · 22 November 2005, 14:21

Click the HDToolbox icon once, then choose Icon -> Information from the menu.

But IIRC, the HDToolbox of WB2.0 could not be configured, so ignore my comment.

Monolith · 22 November 2005, 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

Click the HDToolbox icon once, then choose Icon -> Information from the menu.

But IIRC, the HDToolbox of WB2.0 could not be configured, so ignore my comment.

Found it!

Also found out I ran WB3.0 (I borrowed the disks from a friend of mine).

Currently it says:

SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=df0:/devs/gvpscsi.dev (which is probably the configuration of the friend I borrowed the disks from...)

So there's something wrong anyway. I'm changing it into SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=scsi.device now and I'll see what happens...

Monolith · 22 November 2005, 15:04

Yay, I got it to work!

It found the old Maxtor drive I connected to it, nicely read its configuration. So my IDE-bus is workely nicely, and my old Quantum 2,5" HD has gone to meet its maker....

Unfortunately I wasn't able to format the drive yet, but I'll have to wait for a mouse

and my own WB2.05 discs as WB3.0 wouldn't install on my KS2.1...

Thanks everyone for their input and suggestions!

My Amiga's on the road again!!

20 November 2005, 21:19	#1
Monolith Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands Age: 43 Posts: 16	HD Dead? Hello all, when reviving my (t)rusty old A600, I noticed that the HD wouldn't boot (heck, the last time I booted it was, what, 10 years ago?). Now the funny thing with this HD is that - it spins up - it rattles like it's doing something - it doesn't boot - it keeps the HDD led on continuously. Is this drive dead? It's a Quantum go-drive, IIRC a 120Mb model. At the moment, I can't find my old Workbench floppies anywhere, so all I have to look at at the moment is the purple "flying floppy" screen.

22 November 2005, 12:39	#6
Monolith Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands Age: 43 Posts: 16	update Well, here's an update. Found my 2.5"->3.5" adapter cable, and using an external power supply I hooked up 5 different 3.5" harddisks, capacities ranging from 200Mb - 17.9 Gb. Booted Workbench and HDToolbox, but regardless of type, size and jumper setting, neither of them showed up in the HDToolbox screen. The problem of the HDD-led always being on was eliminated with those other harddisks, and as the HDD-led was blinking at start-up, something appeared to be happening. But as said, none showed up in HDToolbox. I can remember the pre-boot screen you get in when you press both mouse buttons at start-up, but as I don't have a working mouse at the moment I can't get there to see what settings there are in this screen. Any suggestions, anyone? Any verdict on the status of the IDE-bus? Anything I'm doing REALLY wrong?

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20 November 2005, 21:31	#2
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 7,002	What happens if you press Ctrl-Amiga-Amiga ?

20 November 2005, 21:36	#3
Monolith Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands Age: 43 Posts: 16	It reboots and does the same thing again, the HDD light just stays on. I remember that the HDD didn't spin up in time for the system to start booting off the HDD, so I had to do that all the time anyway...

21 November 2005, 17:42	#4
Monolith Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands Age: 43 Posts: 16	Well I finally found my old 2.5"->3.5" connector thingy back and I've got loads of 3,5" discs laying around, so I'll give one of those drives a shot to see whether it's the HD, or whether the IDE bus just failed on me

21 November 2005, 19:04	#5
NOB Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 424	Try another power supply.A A500 Power Supply will work too.

22 November 2005, 13:01	#7
lopos2000 Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cider is best In The West Posts: 1,238	Have you checked that the cable is connected correctly to A1200 IDE port? Pin 1 to pin1 etc. where Pin 1 normaly is marked on the IDE cable (red or black line)

22 November 2005, 13:19	#9
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 7,002	Did you check that HDToolbox is actually scanning your IDE bus ? Perhaps the tooltypes settings were changed earlier and now it does not check scsi.device. There should be one tooltype reading SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=scsi.device and there should be no brackets around it. Or, if you are using OS3.5 or higher, try the ASKDEVICE tooltype.

22 November 2005, 14:21	#11
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 7,002	Click the HDToolbox icon once, then choose Icon -> Information from the menu. But IIRC, the HDToolbox of WB2.0 could not be configured, so ignore my comment.

22 November 2005, 15:04	#13
Monolith Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands Age: 43 Posts: 16	Yay, I got it to work! It found the old Maxtor drive I connected to it, nicely read its configuration. So my IDE-bus is workely nicely, and my old Quantum 2,5" HD has gone to meet its maker.... Unfortunately I wasn't able to format the drive yet, but I'll have to wait for a mouse and my own WB2.05 discs as WB3.0 wouldn't install on my KS2.1... Thanks everyone for their input and suggestions! My Amiga's on the road again!!

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