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Rebonding a disengaged Amiga 3.5-inch disk and its hub
I am posting in this forum because you guys know as much as anyone about how floppy disks work and the subject matter is relevant to software preservation.
I have an original Coverdisk B from The One Amiga, August 1993, which was sent to me almost a couple of years ago by Pickaweapon with the Snakes full version disk for salvaging (in the Snakes! thread). The coverdisk features a demo version of the Snakes game, the availability of which contributed significantly via some amazing work by clenched to the eventually successful recovery of the full version. On receipt, the coverdisk proved to be unreadable, so the demo version of the game used for recovering the full version was obtained from valid dumps of the disk already preserved at nthdimension and on the EAB File Server. Closer examination revealed the reason for failure of the disk: the stainless steel hub had become detached from the disc. These parts are held together by a ring of double-sided tape, which had become unstuck. Some time later, I cracked open the Snakes demo coverdisk enclosure just sufficiently to get the disc out so it can be reused without gluing. However, I didn't remove it because I didn't want to risk exposing it before I'd found a reliable way of rebonding it to the hub. I have now discovered an adhesive which I think may be perfect for this task! From the back of the pack: "151 Fantastic Elastic Flexible Glue is ready to use and is adjustable for up to 5 minutes. The glue has a high bond strength on nearly all materials and is ideal for use on metal, glass, ceramics, mirrors, plastics, wood, leather, vinyl & fabrics. Transparent & odourless, the glue is great to use around the home for a variety of jobs. "The unique formula makes the glue resistant to shock impact, water and extreme temperatures. "Contains: (3-(trimethoxysilyl)propyl)ethylene-diamine" I realize that it is absolutely essential to preserve the concentricity of the disc and the hub when rebonding them and to ensure that the disc is not inadvertently "flipped" before doing so. However, my question concerns whether it is equally important to preserve the original angular orientation of the disc relative to the index hole in the hub. Reading Paul Overaa's BSB Insider Guide 'Amiga disks and drives', in particular the section concerning disk layout in Chapter 16 - How Disks Work, suggests that - for Amiga floppy disks at least - it shouldn't matter. If it doesn't, is the Amiga floppy disk unique in this respect or would it also not matter for other platforms' floppy disk formats? Quote:
If I can devise a reliable method of rebonding disengaged 3½-inch disks, then this will have welcome implications for recovering software which might otherwise be lost. |
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07 April 2013, 18:25 | #2 |
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Angular orientation w.r.t. the index hole can matter, as the disk-index signal can be accessed by the CPU, and also the CPU can be interrupted by it. Most Amiga track loaders do not care about it, but some protections do check it -- some versions of Copylock for example. But you are unlikely to see one of those on a coverdisk. If it's a plain AmigaDOS disk then the angular orientation is very unlikely indeed to matter.
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Thanks, kaffer!
I'm unlikely ever to be trying to recover a copy-protected disk which has suffered this fate, so using this coverdisk will prove whether the adhesive is effective. I have seen a couple of posts from other forum users here since I have been a member asking what can be done when a floppy disk has separated from the hub and this test might answer that question. If I am successful and I can find those posts again I will bump those threads up. |
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At 135 tracks per inch, it'll be interesting to see whether you can re-bond the hub accurately enough, *exactly* where it was bonded before, to within 1/135".
Bear in mind the original manufacture did not have to be that accurate, or worry *too* much about placing the hub dead centre. The "centre" is by definition wherever the manufacture process ended up placing the hub. |
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Also just make sure the adhesive doesn't melt the actual disk, it might say it's safe for 'plastics' but test on a duff disk to make sure
BTW, did you get commission for advertising that glue? |
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The hub would be applied before the data was written so i don't think any slight off centre issues would be a problem as ultimately when the disk spins the tracks would be created by the heads and in a true circular pattern.
Attempting to replace the hub after the fact like mentioned could prove adventurous to say the least |
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No, because I'm not advertising it. If it turns out to be useless for this task, then I shall say so. Nothing ventured, nothing gained! |
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