Arcade games that should be ported to the Amiga - Page 10

DamienD · 18 August 2019, 19:19

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Originally Posted by JudasEZT

I think Rastan would be factible for Amiga 500, just no perfect port but conversion with its restrictions.

7 colors for main graphics.. its a crap.. but could be done reasonably well. Of course making some concessions,.. and for example, having some enemies with different colors respect original coin op..

At this very moment I thinking that lions from first stage would be green same as the man-lizards..

That kind of sacrifices.

Rastan and his weapons, possible projectiles, collectables.. could be made with sprites.

Ive already drew time ago a Rastan sprite. I've reduced its wide to 16 pixels.. consist in two sprites of 3 colors superimposed. A third sprite would be the weapon.. easily interchangeable.

Here a video.. [ Show youtube player ]

Considering that the Apple IIGS port is very good; one would think that something decent could be done on the Amiga

Amigajay · 18 August 2019, 19:26

The screen update looks truly awful imo, i watched a couple of vids on YT to make sure it wasn't just that video!

Shatterhand · 18 August 2019, 19:40

Of course you could do Rastan on Amiga

Just do it like the MSX version:

[ Show youtube player ]

Cut the scroll, draw enemies with a single color and IT WILL WORK AT 50 FPS!

-

Seriously though, realistically speaking, you could rework the graphics for 16 colors (or even 32 if the speed is there), cut the parallax, draw the main sprite and HUD with sprites.

It's just a lot of work and of course it would be hard to find someone willing to do it.

DamienD · 18 August 2019, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Amigajay

The screen update looks truly awful imo

Yes very true, but graphics wise, it's pretty close to the Arcade version.

Anyway, surely something awesome could be achievable on the Amiga; using the Arcade graphics?

mcgeezer · 18 August 2019, 23:03

Agree with shatterhand.

Thr parallax in Rastan is not that prominent. If i was doing it i’d stick to OCS 16 colour or 32 colour mode.

I just never liked thr game though and better amiga games are available.

Shatterhand · 19 August 2019, 01:10

And I agree with McGeezer. Rastan is a at best a mediocre game. The soundtrack is awesome, but its the only reason to play the game IMO.

Taito were very hit and miss with their games, and I don't think Rastan was a "hit". I know it was very sucessful and many people have fond memories of it, but I really think the gameplay isn't there.

malko · 19 August 2019, 01:45

I am part of the ones who enjoyed Rastan in arcade hall BitD (1987).
We should not forget that in was in the period of the movie "Conan" (1982)

.

jotd · 19 August 2019, 08:14

This game is just super hard. I loved it like shatterland said because of it being in the arcades and all, but never ever got far. Frustrating.

What about a playable Dragonninja ?

lmimmfn · 19 August 2019, 12:09

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Originally Posted by jotd

What about a playable Dragonninja ?

Would so love an arcade perfect version with 2 button support, AGA etc.
Love Dragon Ninja, still play it regularly on Mame and in VR( via new retro arcade neon) .

I thought the Amiga version was OK, but annoying to have to roundhouse instead of jump.

mcgeezer · 19 August 2019, 13:23

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Originally Posted by lmimmfn

Would so love an arcade perfect version with 2 button support, AGA etc.
Love Dragon Ninja, still play it regularly on Mame and in VR( via new retro arcade neon) .

I thought the Amiga version was OK, but annoying to have to roundhouse instead of jump.

Probably a 3 to 4 month job for me to do it.

I'm not saying I would but having just taken a look at the game there's nothing there that would trouble AGA too much for a 100% arcade port.

Gordon · 19 August 2019, 13:54

I wish some of the original arcade games were ported to the Amiga. When I say original im talking about the begining of era with the Pacmans and Donkey Kongs. I can't see why these games can't be almost prefect conversions.

MartinW · 19 August 2019, 14:12

I've been messing about with Pacman for a while now but I'm stuck. I don't have any screenshots or video at the moment because I don't have any hosting space but suffice to say that using maximum vertical overscan I was able to implement a pixel perfect maze and pacman player with just enough room at the top and bottom to not have to do what most conversions did and put the scores and stuff to the side.

Like I say, stuck for the moment so didn't get any further than that. I found some code just this morning that might help me though so never say never!

jotd · 19 August 2019, 14:17

The control issue is present with most conversions. The most annoying case was Toki.
When going up to shoot birds, character was jumping to his death. I changed that in the whdload version, enabling 2 button controls and game is very close to the original.

Same was done for GhostsNGoblins.

But even if Dragonninja could be improved at low cost by changing the controls, gameplay is choppy too. Not sure it could do great good...

lmimmfn · 19 August 2019, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

The control issue is present with most conversions. The most annoying case was Toki.
When going up to shoot birds, character was jumping to his death. I changed that in the whdload version, enabling 2 button controls and game is very close to the original.

Same was done for GhostsNGoblins.

But even if Dragonninja could be improved at low cost by changing the controls, gameplay is choppy too. Not sure it could do great good...

Ohh didn't realise you put 2 button controls in Toki, must try it as it's a great port and only played and finished it back in the day.
Worst thing about whdload of Dragonninja is no music

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Probably a 3 to 4 month job for me to do it.

I'm not saying I would but having just taken a look at the game there's nothing there that would trouble AGA too much for a 100% arcade port.

Yes, I don't think it would be too difficult a task, graphically maybe all the cars on the second level or truck in the first, not sure if colours of dual play field would limit the look or not. The main loop generally looks fairly straight forward apart from end of level bosses.

jotd · 19 August 2019, 17:33

If you notice an arcade port that lacks proper controls (or a great game), please submit a mantis issue (mantis.whdload.de). I've already done a lot of those.

I re-checked Dragonninja amiga and I was impressed by the graphics.

Also unimpressed by the fact that the game is too fast. But why is it too fast? maybe to conceal the poor animation? (because slowing it down is not an issue either... like fixing the controls)

If the port was really awesome (like Marble Madness is) I could add arcade music for a CD32 version... But is that really worth it?

Retro1234 · 19 August 2019, 17:38

How did they do the Moving truck and train in Dragon Ninja?

DanScott · 19 August 2019, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Retro1234

How did they do the Moving truck and train in Dragon Ninja?

They are not actually moving as such... the background parallax layer is scrolled to give the impression of movement

Similar to a technique I did in Tombraider-Curse Of The Sword on the Gameboy Colour, for the underground train...

[ Show youtube player ]

Retro1234 · 19 August 2019, 18:18

That looks brilliant I love anything Tomb Raider

not sure I fully understand there just updating the background tiles? might be to complicated for me to understand

or there just redrawing the truck.? ill have to think

Shatterhand · 19 August 2019, 18:31

This would only work on Amiga if it was done on Dual Playfield.

And on the Truck level, yeah, it looks so. Truck seems to use the same colors of the enemies.

The train one gets me though. Most of it is clearly just on the same playfield, as most of the train has just a blank background to it.

But the lower part where's the train's tires, there's some scrolling background there. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some trick with both the background and the train being on the same playfield, but I am not sure.

It's interesting to notice that, while this game use the same gfx assets as the Atari ST version, it's not a direct ST port. The ST version has really jerky scroll, it's a lot slower and it doesn't have the parallax on the Truck level (dunno about the train level, it seems no one on youtube bothered to play it for that long

)

The game also has music, but only if you have 1mb Ram.

DamienD · 19 August 2019, 19:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon

I wish some of the original arcade games were ported to the Amiga. When I say original im talking about the begining of era with the Pacmans and Donkey Kongs. I can't see why these games can't be almost prefect conversions.

I'm with you on this one.

There's another similar thread where a lot of games have been mentioned: Games that you wish were released on the Amiga

...I'd love someone to port Roc'n Rope; simple / fun and easily doable on an Amiga

19 August 2019, 18:18	#198
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	That looks brilliant I love anything Tomb Raider not sure I fully understand there just updating the background tiles? might be to complicated for me to understand or there just redrawing the truck.? ill have to think Last edited by Retro1234; 19 August 2019 at 18:25.

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18 August 2019, 19:26	#182
Amigajay Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: > Posts: 2,881	The screen update looks truly awful imo, i watched a couple of vids on YT to make sure it wasn't just that video!

18 August 2019, 19:40	#183
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Of course you could do Rastan on Amiga Just do it like the MSX version: [ Show youtube player ] Cut the scroll, draw enemies with a single color and IT WILL WORK AT 50 FPS! - Seriously though, realistically speaking, you could rework the graphics for 16 colors (or even 32 if the speed is there), cut the parallax, draw the main sprite and HUD with sprites. It's just a lot of work and of course it would be hard to find someone willing to do it.

18 August 2019, 23:03	#185
mcgeezer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 2,702	Agree with shatterhand. Thr parallax in Rastan is not that prominent. If i was doing it i’d stick to OCS 16 colour or 32 colour mode. I just never liked thr game though and better amiga games are available.

19 August 2019, 01:10	#186
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	And I agree with McGeezer. Rastan is a at best a mediocre game. The soundtrack is awesome, but its the only reason to play the game IMO. Taito were very hit and miss with their games, and I don't think Rastan was a "hit". I know it was very sucessful and many people have fond memories of it, but I really think the gameplay isn't there.

19 August 2019, 01:45	#187
malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 4,856	I am part of the ones who enjoyed Rastan in arcade hall BitD (1987). We should not forget that in was in the period of the movie "Conan" (1982) .

19 August 2019, 08:14	#188
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	This game is just super hard. I loved it like shatterland said because of it being in the arcades and all, but never ever got far. Frustrating. What about a playable Dragonninja ?

19 August 2019, 13:54	#191
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	I wish some of the original arcade games were ported to the Amiga. When I say original im talking about the begining of era with the Pacmans and Donkey Kongs. I can't see why these games can't be almost prefect conversions.

19 August 2019, 14:12	#192
MartinW Registered User Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Minehead / UK Posts: 608	I've been messing about with Pacman for a while now but I'm stuck. I don't have any screenshots or video at the moment because I don't have any hosting space but suffice to say that using maximum vertical overscan I was able to implement a pixel perfect maze and pacman player with just enough room at the top and bottom to not have to do what most conversions did and put the scores and stuff to the side. Like I say, stuck for the moment so didn't get any further than that. I found some code just this morning that might help me though so never say never!

19 August 2019, 14:17	#193
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	The control issue is present with most conversions. The most annoying case was Toki. When going up to shoot birds, character was jumping to his death. I changed that in the whdload version, enabling 2 button controls and game is very close to the original. Same was done for GhostsNGoblins. But even if Dragonninja could be improved at low cost by changing the controls, gameplay is choppy too. Not sure it could do great good...

19 August 2019, 17:33	#195
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,162	If you notice an arcade port that lacks proper controls (or a great game), please submit a mantis issue (mantis.whdload.de). I've already done a lot of those. I re-checked Dragonninja amiga and I was impressed by the graphics. Also unimpressed by the fact that the game is too fast. But why is it too fast? maybe to conceal the poor animation? (because slowing it down is not an issue either... like fixing the controls) If the port was really awesome (like Marble Madness is) I could add arcade music for a CD32 version... But is that really worth it?

19 August 2019, 17:38	#196
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	How did they do the Moving truck and train in Dragon Ninja?

19 August 2019, 18:31	#199
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	This would only work on Amiga if it was done on Dual Playfield. And on the Truck level, yeah, it looks so. Truck seems to use the same colors of the enemies. The train one gets me though. Most of it is clearly just on the same playfield, as most of the train has just a blank background to it. But the lower part where's the train's tires, there's some scrolling background there. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some trick with both the background and the train being on the same playfield, but I am not sure. It's interesting to notice that, while this game use the same gfx assets as the Atari ST version, it's not a direct ST port. The ST version has really jerky scroll, it's a lot slower and it doesn't have the parallax on the Truck level (dunno about the train level, it seems no one on youtube bothered to play it for that long ) The game also has music, but only if you have 1mb Ram.

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