TFT monitor/television for mig

tin · 13 August 2006, 01:44

Alreet all. Just posting cos I searched here for TFT/LCD info before getting a monitor recently. I just wanted something that will take un-messed with 15kHz SCART type signal and I saw that it's a bit of a minefield with pure monitors, so I thought I'd go for a TV with VGA input.

After looking about I bought a samsung SM711MP - it's a 17" 1280x1024 (good for 640x512) job, has a PC input and RGB SCART, as well as s-video, cvbs and a tuner - and a REMOTE

The amiga looks alright through it - I suppose I was expecting the most amazing picture ever, but objectively it's pretty good. Originally everything had a ready-brek outline but it's removable with a bit of tweaking - Looks like you can soften the image too for that quality ye olde TV look

however I quite like my blockiness. I'm used to various philips monitors but unfortunately they've got to make way for stuff that takes no room at all, stuck on the wall.

Anyway the point is if anyone's looking they're £180 online at PCworld for those in the UK, and I've checked the price comparison sites and it looks like nowhere else comes close. Bargain basement.

I will get some pics if this post garners any interest. If not, err... oh well

Zetr0 · 13 August 2006, 05:52

there is another way, one can buy one of these for about £30
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

and then a nice tastey 19inch one of these for just under £130
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...9&GroupID=1172

and lo and behold my amigan brothers for the sum of
£160 Great British *sterling* Pound you have a 19"TFT capable of your Native amiga out as well as you smart SVGA graphics card too!!!! (comes
with multiple input signals, scart/rgb/svhs/uhf and composite *includes sound*)

not bad eh?

20 quid cheaper and 2 inches bigger

clearly we have a winner

[edit]

p.s.

comes with a remote too

)

clearly if i had £900 pounds i would go for one of these instead and play super-bomber-man the way it was ment to be played....

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...8&GroupID=1181

and sensi golf... soccer.... chaos engine.... syndicate... CAPTIVE.....

DDNI · 13 August 2006, 09:48

Zetr0 thats exactly the setup I have....

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=257354&postcount=5

Composite quality is pretty poor though - OK for games...

What I really want is a cable like this

23pin amiga, split to SCART and VGA

tin · 13 August 2006, 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

and lo and behold my amigan brothers for the sum of
£160 Great British *sterling* Pound you have a 19"TFT capable of your Native amiga out as well as you smart SVGA graphics card too!!!! (comes
with multiple input signals, scart/rgb/svhs/uhf and composite *includes sound*)

not bad eh?

20 quid cheaper and 2 inches bigger

clearly we have a winner

[edit]

p.s.

comes with a remote too

)

Umm. almost fair enough BUT - I guess it won't do 15kHz RGB as far as I can see, AND the monitor side doesn't have a remote - but, thinking about it, do you need one? hmm.... I am not sure

However if you wanna go down that route - PC world again, they have a 19" widescreen with a box very like that tuner box bolted to the back. Clearly a monitor and tuner box imported and bolted together in UK to get round the taxation on importing TVs.

I looked at these and the tunerbox/conventional 19" route when making my purchasing decisions - however I HAD to guarantee the monitor would take proper 15kHz PAL RGB from the mig, and I think that was the only route without expensive experimentation.

However nonetheless, horses for courses and all that - I thought I made the right decision and as I came here as part of my research I thought I would give a little back

Not saying that's what everyone should leap out and buy right now.

girv · 14 August 2006, 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by tin

The amiga looks alright through it - I suppose I was expecting the most amazing picture ever, but objectively it's pretty good.

How are you connecting the 'mig to the monitor? 23D -> SCART?

Zetr0 · 14 August 2006, 04:57

truth is tin, my friend, is that i totaly agree.. and after all, its only a 20 quid differnence, and one of the pros i can think of is that if anything went wrong you would only have one device, hence only one store to deal with. that would easly save £20 worth of time lol.

@DDNI,
just a question, did you attempt to change the composit frequency of the amiga for better quality? (you prolly did and i am sorry for talking to you like an idiot)

DDNI · 14 August 2006, 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

@DDNI,
just a question, did you attempt to change the composit frequency of the amiga for better quality? (you prolly did and i am sorry for talking to you like an idiot)

No I didnt, and I am a complete idiot so dont worry!! Is there a way? to do that?

Zetr0 · 14 August 2006, 15:40

yep there is a little screw at the back... try that... you will need a small posidrive terminal screw-driver.

what you will actulay find is that it changes the broadcast frequency of the RF out, this however can also improve the quality of the composite signal as it will have less bleed over at 33.5hz

its worth a try...

many moons ago when i was going into computer graphic art i put together a Video CV full of my work 3d 2d and animations etc.. and the only way i could get a decent signal through to my video was to change the output frequency of the rf (as it was blasting the composit signal) a few twidles left or right... and there it was....

man i was only 16 at the time.... long ago.....

Smiley · 14 August 2006, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

there is another way, one can buy one of these for about £30
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

So with one of those I could plug in my native amiga via red,white,yellow inputs and my vga output from my gfx card, and then it would switch automatically when loading up a whdload game? Is this a viable solution for poeple without scandoublers?

DDNI · 14 August 2006, 17:37

@ smiley, It doesnt switch automatically, you change the source with the remote control.

Smiley · 14 August 2006, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDNI

@ smiley, It doesnt switch automatically, you change the source with the remote control.

Ok but is the quality poor compared to a flickerfixer/scandoubler?

DDNI · 14 August 2006, 19:27

VGA (dblpal and Multiscan) is just passed thru the tuner box (works even if tuner box turned off) Composite is just as you would expect composite to look, some colour bleed etc. I know before I got a 23D to VGA cable I used the Composite signal for all my WB stuff. I used PAL Hires laced and the tuner box all but eliminated flicker. Although the Cursor caused some mild distortion round itself.

tin · 14 August 2006, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by girv

How are you connecting the 'mig to the monitor? 23D -> SCART?

Exactly - thru my beautiful custom made lead from many moons ago

girv · 15 August 2006, 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by tin

thru my beautiful custom made lead from many moons ago

Doesn't everyone have some of those?

tin · 16 August 2006, 23:12

not one like MINE

XoreX · 20 August 2006, 17:05

Hi

buying monitor right now and choosing between:
http://www.samsung.com/at/products/m...Specifications

http://www.samsung.com/at/products/m...Specifications

I want to connect my cd32 via s-video and a1200 via scart.
Both cost about the same.

Would mainly the games look ok on 940mw? Its 16:9, has its native resolution 1440 X 900.

Some advice please

Haakon · 20 August 2006, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by tin

I will get some pics if this post garners any interest. If not, err... oh well

yes! please post some, i'm curious of the quality.

pbareges · 26 September 2007, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haakon

yes! please post some, i'm curious of the quality.

SO??

I mean : on SCART input :what about lowres games rendering ? quick scrollings (are they smooth)?

13 August 2006, 01:44	#1
tin Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: chester Posts: 415	TFT monitor/television for mig Alreet all. Just posting cos I searched here for TFT/LCD info before getting a monitor recently. I just wanted something that will take un-messed with 15kHz SCART type signal and I saw that it's a bit of a minefield with pure monitors, so I thought I'd go for a TV with VGA input. After looking about I bought a samsung SM711MP - it's a 17" 1280x1024 (good for 640x512) job, has a PC input and RGB SCART, as well as s-video, cvbs and a tuner - and a REMOTE The amiga looks alright through it - I suppose I was expecting the most amazing picture ever, but objectively it's pretty good. Originally everything had a ready-brek outline but it's removable with a bit of tweaking - Looks like you can soften the image too for that quality ye olde TV look however I quite like my blockiness. I'm used to various philips monitors but unfortunately they've got to make way for stuff that takes no room at all, stuck on the wall. Anyway the point is if anyone's looking they're £180 online at PCworld for those in the UK, and I've checked the price comparison sites and it looks like nowhere else comes close. Bargain basement. I will get some pics if this post garners any interest. If not, err... oh well

13 August 2006, 05:52	#2
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	there is another way, one can buy one of these for about £30 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 and then a nice tastey 19inch one of these for just under £130 http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...9&GroupID=1172 and lo and behold my amigan brothers for the sum of £160 Great British sterling Pound you have a 19"TFT capable of your Native amiga out as well as you smart SVGA graphics card too!!!! (comes with multiple input signals, scart/rgb/svhs/uhf and composite includes sound) not bad eh? 20 quid cheaper and 2 inches bigger clearly we have a winner [edit] p.s. comes with a remote too ) clearly if i had £900 pounds i would go for one of these instead and play super-bomber-man the way it was ment to be played.... http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...8&GroupID=1181 and sensi golf... soccer.... chaos engine.... syndicate... CAPTIVE..... Last edited by Zetr0; 13 August 2006 at 05:58.

14 August 2006, 15:40	#8
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	yep there is a little screw at the back... try that... you will need a small posidrive terminal screw-driver. what you will actulay find is that it changes the broadcast frequency of the RF out, this however can also improve the quality of the composite signal as it will have less bleed over at 33.5hz its worth a try... many moons ago when i was going into computer graphic art i put together a Video CV full of my work 3d 2d and animations etc.. and the only way i could get a decent signal through to my video was to change the output frequency of the rf (as it was blasting the composit signal) a few twidles left or right... and there it was.... man i was only 16 at the time.... long ago..... Last edited by Zetr0; 14 August 2006 at 15:45.

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13 August 2006, 09:48	#3
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	Zetr0 thats exactly the setup I have.... http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=257354&postcount=5 Composite quality is pretty poor though - OK for games... What I really want is a cable like this 23pin amiga, split to SCART and VGA

14 August 2006, 04:57	#6
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	truth is tin, my friend, is that i totaly agree.. and after all, its only a 20 quid differnence, and one of the pros i can think of is that if anything went wrong you would only have one device, hence only one store to deal with. that would easly save £20 worth of time lol. @DDNI, just a question, did you attempt to change the composit frequency of the amiga for better quality? (you prolly did and i am sorry for talking to you like an idiot)

14 August 2006, 17:37	#10
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	@ smiley, It doesnt switch automatically, you change the source with the remote control.

14 August 2006, 19:27	#12
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	VGA (dblpal and Multiscan) is just passed thru the tuner box (works even if tuner box turned off) Composite is just as you would expect composite to look, some colour bleed etc. I know before I got a 23D to VGA cable I used the Composite signal for all my WB stuff. I used PAL Hires laced and the tuner box all but eliminated flicker. Although the Cursor caused some mild distortion round itself.

16 August 2006, 23:12	#15
tin Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: chester Posts: 415	not one like MINE

20 August 2006, 17:05	#16
XoreX Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: MB Age: 46 Posts: 162	Hi buying monitor right now and choosing between: http://www.samsung.com/at/products/m...Specifications http://www.samsung.com/at/products/m...Specifications I want to connect my cd32 via s-video and a1200 via scart. Both cost about the same. Would mainly the games look ok on 940mw? Its 16:9, has its native resolution 1440 X 900. Some advice please

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