noob question vampire extensions

leeuwtje · 15 January 2019, 14:56

Hi Guys,

Searching on this question on the net didn't provide me with practical answers. I was hoping someone on the amiga board could explain it to me.

My question, what is the practical use for a acceleration card on an amiga 500, that gives the machine 5 times it's processor speed and many times the original RAM? I see people are interested in these cards on the net, paying 200 or more. I would like to understand it.
Personally for me an Amiga is gaming nostalgica only. I can understand some people like to read there email on it or use the internet which would require more ram and speed, why not, but I don't think the amiga 500 has any ability to do that, since there is no pcmcia socket on it to add a network card.

Yes, you can run whdload with a bit of extra ram, if you accept amiga 500 architecture limitations for games. yes, you can have faster video for modern monitors. But is that a practical benefit it your depending on the same software that was developed for original amiga 500's ?
Amiga 500 is an OCS amiga as far as I know, not AGA. Which means, you can't run the later developed AGA games, no matter how much processor speed or memory you possibly add to it.

And there is the basic idea of my question today. Why would anyone buy a expensive modern acceleration card for amiga 500, if there is no software or practical use for it? why invest in lots of capacity if there is no software that uses it?

Surfing the net I read texts like" "The more the better" etc. on the subject.
What do people do then on amiga 500 to use 128 mb internal memory and a cpu with 5 * the original speed?
All respect for the developers of these cards taken in care.

Isn't a usb stick drive simulator the best expansion for a A500 if you accept OCS games only?

I don't get it.

lord of time · 15 January 2019, 15:59

no - no you dont get it do you? you see the beauty of a vamped Amiga is butter smooth operation, fast loading of Whdload, smooth running source ports of games like doom, quake and hexen then theres the beautiful crisp HDMI output in stunning High resolutions, not to mention the added ease of transfering files using the sd card.... i could go on and on but honeslty if you dont see the worth after reading this I dont think you ever will.

Marlon_ · 15 January 2019, 17:21

With the Vampire card you get RTG, which is capable of more than the OCS/ECS chipset A500 has. Sure you can't play AGA games (yet), but there's software and games for RTG.
The Vampire also has it's own expansion headers for network interfaces, it has an IDE interface, SD-card slot and HDMI.

If you only want to play the old games, the Vampire is not for you. If you want to experience what you could experience on the big box Amigas, you'd like a Vampire card.

Marchie · 15 January 2019, 23:27

It's the first time we have seen the potential for new generation of Amiga performance without jumping off to a new non-compatible architecture (like Power PC or x86).

That's my guess as to why there's so much buzz, (and why I bought one (and use it!)).

bwldrbst · 16 January 2019, 00:38

I use one for coding. It runs my preferred development environment, a couple of shells and a text editor, beautifully on a high res, high colour Workbench and compile times are super fast.

I'm looking forward to the Gold 3 core with its AGA implementation but until then I have a couple of other Amigas for games.

malko · 16 January 2019, 00:42

@bwldrbst : Would you mind posting a picture ?

bwldrbst · 17 January 2019, 01:43

@malko, don't have a current photo because I'm rebuilding my study but here's one from several months ago...

malko · 18 January 2019, 14:21

Thanks.

Can't read the OS version on the picture (shell). Which one do you use ?
PS: I also like to drink fresh ice tea while working on the computer

TjLaZer · 18 January 2019, 22:16

It’s needed for using it for more intensive talks like using WB 3.9 with all the bells and whistles. Not for floppy based A500 games or even WHDLoad. If you don’t know what I mean try using WB 3.9 on a stick 1200 020 or even WB 2.1 on a stock 600 is painful too.

ShK · 19 January 2019, 05:28

Not mine Vampirized A500, but:

[ Show youtube player ]

bwldrbst · 19 January 2019, 06:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by malko

Thanks.

Can't read the OS version on the picture (shell). Which one do you use ?
PS: I also like to drink fresh ice tea while working on the computer

It's 3.9 with all the Boing Bags applied. I haven't tried Coffin with it.

I highly recommend a little "Iced Tea" when Amiga-hacking

15 January 2019, 14:56	#1
leeuwtje Registered User Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: antwerp Posts: 61	noob question vampire extensions Hi Guys, Searching on this question on the net didn't provide me with practical answers. I was hoping someone on the amiga board could explain it to me. My question, what is the practical use for a acceleration card on an amiga 500, that gives the machine 5 times it's processor speed and many times the original RAM? I see people are interested in these cards on the net, paying 200 or more. I would like to understand it. Personally for me an Amiga is gaming nostalgica only. I can understand some people like to read there email on it or use the internet which would require more ram and speed, why not, but I don't think the amiga 500 has any ability to do that, since there is no pcmcia socket on it to add a network card. Yes, you can run whdload with a bit of extra ram, if you accept amiga 500 architecture limitations for games. yes, you can have faster video for modern monitors. But is that a practical benefit it your depending on the same software that was developed for original amiga 500's ? Amiga 500 is an OCS amiga as far as I know, not AGA. Which means, you can't run the later developed AGA games, no matter how much processor speed or memory you possibly add to it. And there is the basic idea of my question today. Why would anyone buy a expensive modern acceleration card for amiga 500, if there is no software or practical use for it? why invest in lots of capacity if there is no software that uses it? Surfing the net I read texts like" "The more the better" etc. on the subject. What do people do then on amiga 500 to use 128 mb internal memory and a cpu with 5 * the original speed? All respect for the developers of these cards taken in care. Isn't a usb stick drive simulator the best expansion for a A500 if you accept OCS games only? I don't get it.

17 January 2019, 01:43	#7
bwldrbst Registered User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 73	@malko, don't have a current photo because I'm rebuilding my study but here's one from several months ago... Attached Thumbnails

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15 January 2019, 15:59	#2
lord of time Banned Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: wolverhampton Posts: 153	no - no you dont get it do you? you see the beauty of a vamped Amiga is butter smooth operation, fast loading of Whdload, smooth running source ports of games like doom, quake and hexen then theres the beautiful crisp HDMI output in stunning High resolutions, not to mention the added ease of transfering files using the sd card.... i could go on and on but honeslty if you dont see the worth after reading this I dont think you ever will.

15 January 2019, 17:21	#3
Marlon_ AmigaDev.com Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 35 Posts: 625	With the Vampire card you get RTG, which is capable of more than the OCS/ECS chipset A500 has. Sure you can't play AGA games (yet), but there's software and games for RTG. The Vampire also has it's own expansion headers for network interfaces, it has an IDE interface, SD-card slot and HDMI. If you only want to play the old games, the Vampire is not for you. If you want to experience what you could experience on the big box Amigas, you'd like a Vampire card.

15 January 2019, 23:27	#4
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 589	It's the first time we have seen the potential for new generation of Amiga performance without jumping off to a new non-compatible architecture (like Power PC or x86). That's my guess as to why there's so much buzz, (and why I bought one (and use it!)).

16 January 2019, 00:38	#5
bwldrbst Registered User Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 73	I use one for coding. It runs my preferred development environment, a couple of shells and a text editor, beautifully on a high res, high colour Workbench and compile times are super fast. I'm looking forward to the Gold 3 core with its AGA implementation but until then I have a couple of other Amigas for games.

16 January 2019, 00:42	#6
malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 4,856	@bwldrbst : Would you mind posting a picture ?

18 January 2019, 14:21	#8
malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 4,856	Thanks. Can't read the OS version on the picture (shell). Which one do you use ? PS: I also like to drink fresh ice tea while working on the computer

18 January 2019, 22:16	#9
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	It’s needed for using it for more intensive talks like using WB 3.9 with all the bells and whistles. Not for floppy based A500 games or even WHDLoad. If you don’t know what I mean try using WB 3.9 on a stick 1200 020 or even WB 2.1 on a stock 600 is painful too.

19 January 2019, 05:28	#10
ShK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Lahti / Finland Age: 52 Posts: 447	Not mine Vampirized A500, but: [ Show youtube player ]

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