why not microcosm - Page 3

turrican3 · 18 August 2007, 14:46

if i remember you can back to last red point when you push a button but i don't remember which one sorry.

turrican3 · 18 August 2007, 14:56

the videopac version was the best.
screenshots who prove it

Ironclaw · 18 August 2007, 14:59

Will just make a misc movie instead.... too bad...

What's a viopac?.... if it's something old with little colors.. that pic has tooo many...

... and looks too much like this one

turrican3 · 18 August 2007, 15:08

i edit videopac sorry for the mistake

Ironclaw · 18 August 2007, 15:10

What system could this be?... c64?... too many pixels?... I don't have the spec on a c64 so don't know the amount of colors or screen size.

turrican3 · 18 August 2007, 15:31

videopac :

Ironclaw · 18 August 2007, 16:34

Just noticed on the map screen that the little white square that is moving around like crazy is actually moving where the paths are... well, that makes it alot more easier to see the way to take... but don't bother to play it now anyway....

Ironclaw · 18 August 2007, 20:29

Here's a video of Microcosm!

[ Show youtube player ]

turrican3 · 18 August 2007, 23:52

good video ironclaw

viddi · 19 August 2007, 03:13

Yes! But this shitty framerate...

Ironclaw · 19 August 2007, 07:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by viddi

Yes! But this shitty framerate...

Download it instead. Youtube always fucks with the framerate when they convert our movies to their shitty Flash format:

http://recordedamigagames.ath.cx/mod...dex.php?id=407

Retro1234 · 19 August 2007, 14:33

Does anyone know a way to run CD32 games like Microcosm from a A1200 HardDrive
maybe a CF0:/HardDrive?

turrican3 · 19 August 2007, 14:43

i never been able to do it run without the cd.

(i tried many times)
sorry i can't help you

jotd · 19 August 2007, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by turrican3

i never been able to do it run without the cd.

(i tried many times)
sorry i can't help you

The fact that the game is shit has nothing to do with the need of WHDfying it. Lots of other crap games have a WHDLoad version but the WHDLoad version was much easier to make.

As I was one of the first HD-installing coders to fix CD32 games for the non-CD amiga, I already tried to make a WHDLoad slave for this game, and this starting in 1999 when I got hold of the original CD and a CD32, but throughout the years and even with the "state of the art" KickEmu + CD32 emu add-ons for WHDLoad, this was not made possible.
AFAIR, the game was heavily using cd.device to read the big 400 meg file (it was not a conventional file access, more a block by block access) and I could not find a way to emulate it.
Even if I found a way, it would have ended up flashing and flashing because of the memory problem.

There's a similar issue for Beneath a steel sky CD32 talking version which is 100MB big. Some amigas can handle the PRELOAD, others can install the game without the voices and it's playable, although not very different from the floppy version.

Accessing the CD from within WHDLoad would amount to re-code the CD driver, and is beyond WHDLoad philosophy. I guess that a hardware IDE hack could be done (not sure it would work for all models, etc..), but no way for SCSI cards
, each SCSI interface should be supported. Not realistic.

I heard people having succeeded in booting up Microcosm using IDEFix or some other CD booter on a A1200. I'm quite sure it's IDE only, but it's reported it's working on a non-CD32 amiga (but you still need the CD). Never could make it work myself, though, but that's not a big loss, because I think the game is crap. When I bootup my CD32 I play James Pond 2 or Chaos Engine instead.

viddi · 19 August 2007, 16:11

@ jotd:

Thanks for your information.
Yes, I played it with IDEfix 97 and CD32 Emu on my A1200/030.
But I´m not able to start it with my A4000/060 (no caches, using CD1 IDE drive with IDEfix 97 as well)

turrican3 · 19 August 2007, 17:11

thanks jotd i played on amiga 1200 too

jotd · 19 August 2007, 17:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by viddi

@ jotd:

Thanks for your information.
Yes, I played it with IDEfix 97 and CD32 Emu on my A1200/030.
But I´m not able to start it with my A4000/060 (no caches, using CD1 IDE drive with IDEfix 97 as well)

Maybe CD1 is the problem. Mount it as CD0 instead and maybe it'll work. The trick is that the game opens "cd.device" unit 0. If you can fool it with IDEFix by assigning cd.device unit 0 to your drive then maybe it'll work.

And BTW I know that an ISO mounter exists on the amiga. In theory it should be possible to play from a special cd.device setting and the ISO image copied on HD mounted as unit 0 of cd device. BTW if this could be done, then doing a WHDLoad version would be a lot easier

Unfortunately I think it would be flashy as hell, unless Bert cooks us a special "read ahead" device for non-preloaded files.

If s.o. comes up with a full HD version of Microcosm, I'll take on the job of making a WHDLoad slave and convincing Bert to improve the non-PRELOAD scheme (if not already existing).

viddi · 19 August 2007, 17:19

Great idea. Will give it a try!

BTW: It doesn´t work with CD0 SCSI drive.

Retro1234 · 19 August 2007, 21:58

Hi guys thanks for the Info having play with IdeFix97

Does it need Os3.9 for CacheCDFS and will it work under WinUae for testing. Id like to play CD32 games from HD also be able to use the CD32 joypad and all buttons in games like CannonFodder and Myth

Retro1234 · 19 August 2007, 22:22

You know when you post then 5 mins later you fugure it out

Microcosm runnig fast on WinUae now to try some IsoMounts
-How much is IDEfix?
Cannon Fodders sticking on Title Screen?

18 August 2007, 14:56	#42
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	the videopac version was the best. screenshots who prove it Last edited by turrican3; 13 February 2008 at 02:29.

18 August 2007, 15:10	#45
Ironclaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ... Age: 45 Posts: 3,313	What system could this be?... c64?... too many pixels?... I don't have the spec on a c64 so don't know the amount of colors or screen size. Attached Thumbnails

18 August 2007, 15:31	#46
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	videopac : Last edited by turrican3; 13 February 2008 at 02:29.

19 August 2007, 17:11	#56
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	thanks jotd i played on amiga 1200 too Last edited by turrican3; 19 August 2007 at 17:18.

19 August 2007, 21:58	#59
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,780	Hi guys thanks for the Info having play with IdeFix97 Does it need Os3.9 for CacheCDFS and will it work under WinUae for testing. Id like to play CD32 games from HD also be able to use the CD32 joypad and all buttons in games like CannonFodder and Myth Last edited by Retro1234; 19 August 2007 at 22:36.

18 August 2007, 14:46	#41
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	if i remember you can back to last red point when you push a button but i don't remember which one sorry.

18 August 2007, 14:59	#43
Ironclaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ... Age: 45 Posts: 3,313	Will just make a misc movie instead.... too bad... What's a viopac?.... if it's something old with little colors.. that pic has tooo many... ... and looks too much like this one

18 August 2007, 15:08	#44
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	i edit videopac sorry for the mistake

18 August 2007, 16:34	#47
Ironclaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ... Age: 45 Posts: 3,313	Just noticed on the map screen that the little white square that is moving around like crazy is actually moving where the paths are... well, that makes it alot more easier to see the way to take... but don't bother to play it now anyway....

18 August 2007, 20:29	#48
Ironclaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ... Age: 45 Posts: 3,313	Here's a video of Microcosm! [ Show youtube player ]

18 August 2007, 23:52	#49
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	good video ironclaw

19 August 2007, 03:13	#50
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007	Yes! But this shitty framerate...

19 August 2007, 14:33	#52
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,780	Does anyone know a way to run CD32 games like Microcosm from a A1200 HardDrive maybe a CF0:/HardDrive?

19 August 2007, 14:43	#53
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	i never been able to do it run without the cd. (i tried many times) sorry i can't help you

19 August 2007, 16:11	#55
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007	@ jotd: Thanks for your information. Yes, I played it with IDEfix 97 and CD32 Emu on my A1200/030. But I´m not able to start it with my A4000/060 (no caches, using CD1 IDE drive with IDEfix 97 as well)

19 August 2007, 17:19	#58
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007	Great idea. Will give it a try! BTW: It doesn´t work with CD0 SCSI drive.

19 August 2007, 22:22	#60
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,780	You know when you post then 5 mins later you fugure it out Microcosm runnig fast on WinUae now to try some IsoMounts -How much is IDEfix? Cannon Fodders sticking on Title Screen?

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