Using a Compact Flash card on a600/a1200 IDE - Page 12

Zetr0 · 17 June 2007, 12:14

@amigarobbo

yes i would say that it would

amigarobbo · 17 June 2007, 12:30

At only £3, is cheap enough not to matter, so I've bought it, I'll shove it in my A1200, I'll get back to tell you how it goes!

In fact before I forget, my 1200's Physical spiny disk is giving 2,466,308 at the moment, be interesting to see what a Flash based one goes at.

TheBoss · 17 June 2007, 12:40

Should work just fine as thats the one i have in my CD32.

Zetr0 · 17 June 2007, 12:41

@amigarobbo

if not i will swap you one that will

Chain · 18 June 2007, 07:49

actually, i think that master/slave jumper on all of those chinese adapters is single/slave jumper :/
thats why it didnt work with cd drive etc.

19 June 2007, 18:49

Just to add to this thread what I got back from Sandisk after doing some research on the issue.

Quote:

2.
CF cards can have a bit/byte bock re-written (depening on maunfactures geometry) atleast 1million times (sandisk claim!) this means you could low level format (write '0's ) 10 times a day for 300 years and still have plently of times left over. *(generaly branded cards make this claim). some OS's constantly write and re-write to the ide device (wondoze for 1) and this can reduce life expectancy.

Your example is being VERY conservative...

Examples used by SanDisk in their whitepaper...

http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/O...rLevelv1.0.pdf

Quote:

This example is a data logging operation using the same 1GB card where a new 4kB file is
written every five seconds. But in this case the cluster size is 4kB and it is expected that, due to
file system fragmentation, the logical addresses will be written randomly. ... lifetime =79 years

If using a 4GB CF card, under worst cases, which would have 4x the erase pool to draw from and therefore 4x the life expectancy, you are looking at over 300 years of tortured abuse by the most avid Amiga freak out there.

Even if its only 1/4 of the life of 79years, that is still more than 15 years.

Jope · 20 June 2007, 06:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandisk

low level format (write '0's )

.. which is not low level formatting, but merely writing zeroes ..

You can't low-level format a CF card.. There is no media to initialize.

20 June 2007, 09:02

With the cost of CF cards dropping, getting a pair of them is possible.
1 for daily use and one as a backup/disaster recovery.

Just use whatever tools you choose to backup the system and be done.

I still have a hard time envisioning burning through a SanDisk CF card in 15 years...

Fingerlickin_B · 04 July 2007, 15:04

I have a quick question on the PCMCIA option.

Having purchased a PCMCIA/CF adaptor which arrived today, I'm going to have a bit of a play around with it tomorrow.

BUT, I don't want to do any damage.

The software to run it says in it's readme file that the PCMCIA slot in the 600/1200 is hot pluggable, but is it safe to leave the adaptor in the PCMCIA slot and only remove the CF card while an Amiga is still running?

If so, that'd be great, as there is room in my newly built 1200T for the adaptor to be left in place permanently

PZ.

ppill · 04 July 2007, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fingerlickin_B

The software to run it says in it's readme file that the PCMCIA slot in the 600/1200 is hot pluggable, but is it safe to leave the adaptor in the PCMCIA slot and only remove the CF card while an Amiga is still running?

I've done it dozens of times and everything's still working.

Fingerlickin_B · 04 July 2007, 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by ppill

I've done it dozens of times and everything's still working.

Good news, thanks man

Now the annoying thing is that I've lost my USB card reader/writer for the PC...luckily I have a 40 pin IDE/CF adaptor spare, so can just pop the case open and use that for the time being

PZ.

DanE · 07 July 2007, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by cv643d

I have some trouble again with my CF setup, any help with troubleshooting would be great!

I have this CF converter ->
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-DUAL-Compa...QQcmdZViewItem

I have the same adapter as you and am experiencing similar problems,

Im using a 4 way buffered ide interface,

If my laptop harddrive is connected to the 44 pin connector on the interface and the cf/ide adapter is connected to the 40 pin connector the Amiga wont turn on, if i remove my laptop drive i can boot into workbench using a floppy and can detect the card in hdtools and format it,

But idefix wont detect my cd drive which is on the last 40 pin connector, it doesnt matter if i set the cf card to master or slave,

Ive just bought a 40 pin to 44 pin ide cable from amigakit and i will try the cf/ide adapter in the main 44 pin connector were the laptop drive is at the mo on the ide interface and i will let you know if it works or not.

amigarobbo · 07 July 2007, 22:15

Hmm.. my new female to flash drives seems not to work, try it with Harddrive setup, it takes sometime checking out scsi then comes up with nothing in the hard drives window.

Little red lights comes up....

correction! fitted it again, and it's working dandy! think I may have missed the pins or something(!) Oopsie!

Edited again to say, I think it's a far better way to go than the full size metal 2.5 inch drive I fitted in my A600, see above for details

amigarobbo · 07 July 2007, 23:50

Right got it installed, only problem read errors!

Darn!

formatted and installed it twice, same both times.

Hmm... Anyway got sysinfo on, and after booting with no startup-sequence, got a 1,500 from Sysinfo, that's a whole 1,000 less than the Mechanical drive

Zetr0 · 07 July 2007, 23:55

read errors are false read errors due to the device reporting block sizes to large for the miggy IDE to understand. so what you need to do is this.

in the hard disk setup (where you init the device) under HD-Tools set the MAXTRANSFERS to 0x1f000 this will reduce the block sizes not the speed of the device

amigarobbo · 08 July 2007, 11:07

I shall give that a whirl, here hardware "pron" fans, have a picture!

Zetr0 · 08 July 2007, 11:46

OOooOO just a little on the tasty side

thankies muchly

btw, did you change the MAXTRANSFERS ?

amigarobbo · 08 July 2007, 16:21

Not yet, well, that's not quite true, I've just tried it pluging it into a USB card reader and formating it in OS4, seems to working well, but i'll do it again in the 1200, cuz I wasn't too sure what to put as the buffers etc.

(in fact thinking about it, I could put 3.5/3.9 on the 1200, hmmm! dunno about the boing bags as I don't have a CD rom attached)

Also, I'm still waiting for a 4 gig CF card to arrive from the USA, so I'm only have a practice with the 1 gig card at the moment.

Also possibly worth mentioning at this point, I've got myself a 600 accelerator, so I'll have to put in a IDE/CF adapter into that one too...

BinoX · 08 July 2007, 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by amigarobbo

(in fact thinking about it, I could put 3.5/3.9 on the 1200, hmmm! dunno about the boing bags as I don't have a CD rom attached)

How are you going to install OS3.5 or 3.9 without a CDROM drive?

amigarobbo · 08 July 2007, 16:36

Copy the files onto a CF/PCMCI card, then put them onto a hard drive and run them from there, I don't think you need the files on an Actual CD, I think I have memorys of installing it from files...

In fact I've got 3.9 installed on my e-uae, and I never could work out how to attach a CD to that, so it must have been possible.

The Boing Bags need the CD though...

Maybe there's a way to assign the CF card as a CD0: but I think I failed the last time I tried that.

Also I should mention I do own a copy of both 3,5 and 3.9, so it's not piracy of the highest order or something.

17 June 2007, 12:30	#222
amigarobbo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 181	At only £3, is cheap enough not to matter, so I've bought it, I'll shove it in my A1200, I'll get back to tell you how it goes! In fact before I forget, my 1200's Physical spiny disk is giving 2,466,308 at the moment, be interesting to see what a Flash based one goes at. Last edited by amigarobbo; 19 June 2007 at 20:00.

07 July 2007, 22:15	#233
amigarobbo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 181	Hmm.. my new female to flash drives seems not to work, try it with Harddrive setup, it takes sometime checking out scsi then comes up with nothing in the hard drives window. Little red lights comes up.... correction! fitted it again, and it's working dandy! think I may have missed the pins or something(!) Oopsie! Edited again to say, I think it's a far better way to go than the full size metal 2.5 inch drive I fitted in my A600, see above for details Last edited by amigarobbo; 07 July 2007 at 22:47.

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17 June 2007, 12:14	#221
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@amigarobbo yes i would say that it would

17 June 2007, 12:40	#223
TheBoss Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 840	Should work just fine as thats the one i have in my CD32.

17 June 2007, 12:41	#224
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@amigarobbo if not i will swap you one that will

18 June 2007, 07:49	#225
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	actually, i think that master/slave jumper on all of those chinese adapters is single/slave jumper :/ thats why it didnt work with cd drive etc.

20 June 2007, 09:02	#228
norseman12 Posts: n/a	With the cost of CF cards dropping, getting a pair of them is possible. 1 for daily use and one as a backup/disaster recovery. Just use whatever tools you choose to backup the system and be done. I still have a hard time envisioning burning through a SanDisk CF card in 15 years...

04 July 2007, 15:04	#229
Fingerlickin_B Amiga Nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belco, Australia Posts: 2,242	I have a quick question on the PCMCIA option. Having purchased a PCMCIA/CF adaptor which arrived today, I'm going to have a bit of a play around with it tomorrow. BUT, I don't want to do any damage. The software to run it says in it's readme file that the PCMCIA slot in the 600/1200 is hot pluggable, but is it safe to leave the adaptor in the PCMCIA slot and only remove the CF card while an Amiga is still running? If so, that'd be great, as there is room in my newly built 1200T for the adaptor to be left in place permanently PZ.

07 July 2007, 23:50	#234
amigarobbo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 181	Right got it installed, only problem read errors! Darn! formatted and installed it twice, same both times. Hmm... Anyway got sysinfo on, and after booting with no startup-sequence, got a 1,500 from Sysinfo, that's a whole 1,000 less than the Mechanical drive

07 July 2007, 23:55	#235
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	read errors are false read errors due to the device reporting block sizes to large for the miggy IDE to understand. so what you need to do is this. in the hard disk setup (where you init the device) under HD-Tools set the MAXTRANSFERS to 0x1f000 this will reduce the block sizes not the speed of the device

08 July 2007, 11:07	#236
amigarobbo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 181	I shall give that a whirl, here hardware "pron" fans, have a picture!

08 July 2007, 11:46	#237
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	OOooOO just a little on the tasty side thankies muchly btw, did you change the MAXTRANSFERS ?

08 July 2007, 16:21	#238
amigarobbo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 181	Not yet, well, that's not quite true, I've just tried it pluging it into a USB card reader and formating it in OS4, seems to working well, but i'll do it again in the 1200, cuz I wasn't too sure what to put as the buffers etc. (in fact thinking about it, I could put 3.5/3.9 on the 1200, hmmm! dunno about the boing bags as I don't have a CD rom attached) Also, I'm still waiting for a 4 gig CF card to arrive from the USA, so I'm only have a practice with the 1 gig card at the moment. Also possibly worth mentioning at this point, I've got myself a 600 accelerator, so I'll have to put in a IDE/CF adapter into that one too...

08 July 2007, 16:36	#240
amigarobbo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 181	Copy the files onto a CF/PCMCI card, then put them onto a hard drive and run them from there, I don't think you need the files on an Actual CD, I think I have memorys of installing it from files... In fact I've got 3.9 installed on my e-uae, and I never could work out how to attach a CD to that, so it must have been possible. The Boing Bags need the CD though... Maybe there's a way to assign the CF card as a CD0: but I think I failed the last time I tried that. Also I should mention I do own a copy of both 3,5 and 3.9, so it's not piracy of the highest order or something.

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