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xcom · 30 March 2020, 22:37

Well, both companies are moving very slow so I'm very pleased with Hyperion releasing an update although minor. Profit being the reason, me thinks. I'm really interested to know how much profit all the software companies are making vs the ones in hardware scene.
This court battle sometimes makes me think that both take silly decisions, hope I'm wrong

StefaanC · 31 March 2020, 00:07

I tried to get source from amiga OS from Hyperion , offering 20000 USD for it and still no go. Phew will base it on FreeBSD.

Kyle_Human · 31 March 2020, 07:56

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Originally Posted by kriz

Please explain what Cloanto are (is since it is one guy hogging the copyright license) doing for the Amiga scene ..

This.

roondar · 31 March 2020, 10:02

Setting aside the legal arguments for a while, it is worth pointing out that basically everyone on earth can get a "Verified Publisher" certificate. It does cost a bit of money (between $99 and $499 per year) and is a bit of a kerfuffle to get right, but you don't need to be a corporation to do this.

malko · 31 March 2020, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Kyle_Human

This.

With such a screenshot, one might be led to think that Toni Wilen is working for Cloanto.

Isn't UAE (& thus WinUAE) under GNU GPL ?

Daedalus · 31 March 2020, 11:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by malko

With such a screenshot, one might be led to think that Toni Wilen is working for Cloanto.

Isn't UAE (& thus WinUAE) under GNU GPL ?

Yep - Cloanto provide the security certificate so that users don't get scary warnings when they try to run it for the first time. A slightly misleading post there...

DamienD · 31 March 2020, 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle_Human

This.

Eh?

WinUAE is totally free and has always been...

Ok, so Cloanto add this into their package that you need to pay for... So what?

They have absolutely nothing to do with WinUAE...

dreadnought · 31 March 2020, 12:25

I'm not sure dealing with common-as-muck (and not "scary" at all) Windows message is a good argument here. Unless this whole angle was meant as /s of course

Turrican_3 · 06 April 2020, 15:28

I understand Cloanto actively supports (or at the very least supported) Toni Wilen in the development of WinUAE, but maybe someone - or even Toni himself, assuming no NDA is in place - can give a more accurate explanation of its actual activities?

DamienD · 06 April 2020, 16:37

The only thing I know Cloanto do for Toni is sometimes donate hardware that he needs.

kriz · 06 April 2020, 17:03

And how much do Cloanto make on all his work on Winuae ? I would really like if they were not allowed to sell winuae in their package, is clearly taking advantage of all the work done by Toni and others in the core dev team.

Turrican_3 · 06 April 2020, 18:18

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Originally Posted by kriz

And how much do Cloanto make on all his work on Winuae ? I would really like if they were not allowed to sell winuae in their package, is clearly taking advantage of all the work done by Toni and others in the core dev team.

I believe the GPL licence allows Cloanto to do that though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

The only thing I know Cloanto do for Toni is sometimes donate hardware that he needs.

I understand, thanks.

The only source referring to actual Cloanto support to Toni I was able to find with Google was this:

http://www.amigapodcast.com/2016/04/...oni-wilen.html

but it's a bit old.

Kyle_Human · 08 April 2020, 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Eh?

WinUAE is totally free and has always been...

Ok, so Cloanto add this into their package that you need to pay for... So what?

They have absolutely nothing to do with WinUAE...

So you don't understand what you see? Start up the installer for winuae from winuae.net and see what it says. Then come back and apologize.

Gorf · 08 April 2020, 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle_Human

So you don't understand what you see? Start up the installer for winuae from winuae.net and see what it says. Then come back and apologize.

boemann · 09 April 2020, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle_Human

So you don't understand what you see? Start up the installer for winuae from winuae.net and see what it says. Then come back and apologize.

That doesn't mean they own, or made, or even contributed to it. It just means they took something that is free, and sold it on to you, putting their name on it.

Gorf · 09 April 2020, 12:12

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Originally Posted by boemann

That doesn't mean they own, or made, or even contributed to it. It just means they took something that is free, and sold it on to you, putting their name on it.

not even that: it means what it says - Cloanto is a publisher.
A publisher is not automatically the author or the creator.
In terms of books, films or music the publisher is in most cases NOT the artist.

Everybody is allowed to publish GPLed software. You can also charge money.
This is what made Linux distributions like Suse or Fedora/Red_Hat big.

In this case Cloanto is actually doing something useful, by offering a signature as verified publisher, so Windows users won't get any stupid warnings.

boemann · 09 April 2020, 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorf

not even that: it means what it says - Cloanto is a publisher.
A publisher is not automatically the author or the creator.
In terms of books, films or music the publisher is in most cases NOT the artist.

Everybody is allowed to publish GPLed software. You can also charge money.
This is what made Linux distributions like Suse or Fedora/Red_Hat big.

In this case Cloanto is actually doing something useful, by offering a signature as verified publisher, so Windows users won't get any stupid warnings.

Fully agree. But it is still something that is free that they sell on. Anyone could do what they did. Normal publishers have to pay the author. With GPL it is all profit for the publisher. Not saying they do something illegal, but I would never be so stupid to pay for something that is free. Even adding a certificate to silence Windows can be done for free.

To me their true value is in packaging a lot together for easy installation. It is just a shame that people like Kyle gets fooled into thinking they actually produced winuae or that you are helping winua by buying this product.

dreadnought · 09 April 2020, 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorf

In this case Cloanto is actually doing something useful, by offering a signature as verified publisher, so Windows users won't get any stupid warnings.

Even if techniacally true, this perceived "usefulness" is still on the microscopic level. Which is why bringing it up as a serious response to the question of "what is Cloanto doing for Amiga scene" is simply comical.

Gorf · 09 April 2020, 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by boemann

Not saying they do something illegal, but I would never be so stupid to pay for something that is free.

You mean like the way Hyperion is profiting from non-profit work of the OS developers?

DamienD · 09 April 2020, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle_Human

So you don't understand what you see? Start up the installer for winuae from winuae.net and see what it says. Then come back and apologize.

You're a funny guy

Not going to happen... why would I "install" WinUAE?

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30 March 2020, 22:37	#881
xcom Registered User Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: greece Posts: 11	Well, both companies are moving very slow so I'm very pleased with Hyperion releasing an update although minor. Profit being the reason, me thinks. I'm really interested to know how much profit all the software companies are making vs the ones in hardware scene. This court battle sometimes makes me think that both take silly decisions, hope I'm wrong

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StefaanC Registered User Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Leest /Belgium Posts: 26	I tried to get source from amiga OS from Hyperion , offering 20000 USD for it and still no go. Phew will base it on FreeBSD.

31 March 2020, 10:02	#884
roondar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,408	Setting aside the legal arguments for a while, it is worth pointing out that basically everyone on earth can get a "Verified Publisher" certificate. It does cost a bit of money (between $99 and $499 per year) and is a bit of a kerfuffle to get right, but you don't need to be a corporation to do this.

31 March 2020, 12:25	#888
dreadnought Registered User Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Ur, Atlantis Posts: 1,899	I'm not sure dealing with common-as-muck (and not "scary" at all) Windows message is a good argument here. Unless this whole angle was meant as /s of course

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Turrican_3 C= and Amiga aficionado! Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Italy Posts: 318	I understand Cloanto actively supports (or at the very least supported) Toni Wilen in the development of WinUAE, but maybe someone - or even Toni himself, assuming no NDA is in place - can give a more accurate explanation of its actual activities?

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DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	The only thing I know Cloanto do for Toni is sometimes donate hardware that he needs.

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