Terrible Fire Accelerators - Page 4

IanP · 03 January 2017, 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

I need to figure out what to do about autoconfig ids.

According to http://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/Amiga_H...er_ID_Registry

Quote:

How to Obtain a Manufacturer Number
Manufacturer's numbers are assigned by the AmigaOS development team. To obtain your unique manufacturer number use the AmigaOS web site contact form.

Be sure and include your name, email and the type of expansion product you are developing.

Lots of info on the first link (it may or may not be current but worth a try).

plasmab · 03 January 2017, 01:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanP

According to http://wiki.amigaos.net/wiki/Amiga_H...er_ID_RegistryLots of info on the first link (it may or may not be current but worth a try).

Thanks.

Pat the Cat · 03 January 2017, 01:44

Yeah, Hyperion are the people still releasing 4.1 Final Edition.

They just released an update too - needs 60MB fast RAM to install, on a real Miggy. Minimum.

PPC or seriously beefed original Miggy needed (they do support old 68K, but they do warn it needs to be a beast of an Amiga to try to turn it).

plasmab · 03 January 2017, 01:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat the Cat

Yeah, Hyperion are the people still releasing 4.1 Final Edition.

They just released an update too - needs 60MB fast RAM to install, on a real Miggy. Minimum.

PPC or seriously beefed original Miggy needed (they do support old 68K, but they do warn it needs to be a beast of an Amiga to try to turn it).

I never had any interest in AmigaOS 4. I find AROS more to my tastes and it can run on cheaper hardware.

bubbob42 · 03 January 2017, 02:43

@plasmab: as soon as you have your autoconfig id, please send me a list of your product names/ids so I can add them to boards.library.

plasmab · 03 January 2017, 15:22

Ok thats Z2 configuring the RAM at startup. Oddly Workbench doesnt boot now (crash half way through boot) even though the board appears as working and other tools have verified it.

EDIT: To clarify. i have a Hyperion 3.x ROM and WB1.3 boots fine. Anything above GURUs.

plasmab · 03 January 2017, 17:48

Seems it was SetPatches was failing. I disassered CIIN for my fast memory and the issue went away. anyone know whats up here?

emufan · 03 January 2017, 17:53

here is an overview of those changes in the 3.x rom.
some patches added, workbench library removed. that could explain non working workbench. but dunno exactly.
here are some version of the missing one - next to others.

plasmab · 03 January 2017, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by emufan

here is an overview of those changes in the 3.x rom.
some patches added, workbench library removed. that could explain non working workbench. but dunno exactly.
here are some version of the missing one - next to others.

Thats the Cloanto ROM. I have the Hyperion one.

http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/in...-desktop-amiga

emufan · 03 January 2017, 18:17

ah, allright. i only saw 3.x - that usually refers to the pimped one.

plasmab · 03 January 2017, 18:26

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Originally Posted by emufan

ah, allright. i only saw 3.x - that usually refers to the pimped one.

No worries. Its confusing.

Locutus · 03 January 2017, 19:28

Long shot: i think what is happening is that AmigaOS is trying to set your fastram area as cachable/noncachable and somewhere that is going wrong.

plasmab · 03 January 2017, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Locutus

Long shot: i think what is happening is that AmigaOS is trying to set your fastram area as cachable/noncachable and somewhere that is going wrong.

Yes i think so. I also noticed if i poked the DCACHE button on Sysinfo the machine hung if i had that setup to disable CIIN. I think i need to look at CIOUT and see what happening there.

plasmab · 04 January 2017, 00:28

Havent been feeling well today so I couldnt face making a proper video..

[ Show youtube player ]

A performance demo

PeteAU · 04 January 2017, 03:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Havent been feeling well today so I couldnt face making a proper video..

[ Show youtube player ]

A performance demo

Terrific, it's around 5-10 times the frame rate?

Pat the Cat · 04 January 2017, 06:16

About 7 times faster, but it's not all about the processor with that game.

Frontier frame rate on the Amiga depends partly on processor speed, but also on the number of large objects very close in the display. The blitter is used to fill in each polygon, IIRC.

If you look closely, the Title credits "Frontier" right at the beginning do lag a little, because of the generated highlight effects (the "shines") on the letters. All calculated. and double buffered. No cheating with sprites or similar.

In terms of gameplay, Frontier on an Amiga of that speed is pretty much lag free... although you might have to turn on NTSC to get total lack of stutter. The big ships with turrets can take up a lot of the screen when you are in a turret. Small trackball controller recommended if you want to be able to track targets accurately at range (you can do that, on an suitably accelerated Amiga playing Frontier).

whiteb · 04 January 2017, 08:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Incompetence on my part. Minor firmware fix in the CPLD.

Its new years in Glasgow so you cant expect me to be sober :P

Glad you fixed it......, Anyway, I always thought it was mandatory to be drunk at work there ?, Someone has to explain the orange coloured train set you have under your city

Superman · 04 January 2017, 13:12

Very impressive! Frontier looks lovely and smooth, another game I would recommed testing is F18A Interceptor as that responds nicely to accelerator cards also.

amilo3438 · 04 January 2017, 13:37

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Originally Posted by plasmab

Frontier runs sweet as anything.

By using "Kupke Golem 030" accelerator emulation ( http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/golem530 ) in the latest WinUAE3400, it is possible to adjust the speed values enough close to above "sysinfo picture" values and see/test how it works with sysinfo4.0 and Frontier ! (one word, fantastic!)

EDIT: Good for test what one can expect from it on a real A500 (IMHO) ! (and I would like to have one for my A500 too!)

(Btw. tested WinUAE3400 config is attached below!)

EDIT2:

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Havent been feeling well today so I couldnt face making a proper video..

[ Show youtube player ]

A performance demo

I just compared my WinUAE3400 config with above video (side by side) and it perform same FPS ! (as I can tell)

Locutus · 04 January 2017, 14:22

The resulting speed of your config will depend on (many various) host machine properties....

Accelerated speeds are not really replicatable on WinUAE

03 January 2017, 15:22	#66
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	Ok thats Z2 configuring the RAM at startup. Oddly Workbench doesnt boot now (crash half way through boot) even though the board appears as working and other tools have verified it. EDIT: To clarify. i have a Hyperion 3.x ROM and WB1.3 boots fine. Anything above GURUs. Last edited by plasmab; 03 January 2017 at 15:32.

04 January 2017, 06:16	#76
Pat the Cat Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 481	About 7 times faster, but it's not all about the processor with that game. Frontier frame rate on the Amiga depends partly on processor speed, but also on the number of large objects very close in the display. The blitter is used to fill in each polygon, IIRC. If you look closely, the Title credits "Frontier" right at the beginning do lag a little, because of the generated highlight effects (the "shines") on the letters. All calculated. and double buffered. No cheating with sprites or similar. In terms of gameplay, Frontier on an Amiga of that speed is pretty much lag free... although you might have to turn on NTSC to get total lack of stutter. The big ships with turrets can take up a lot of the screen when you are in a turret. Small trackball controller recommended if you want to be able to track targets accurately at range (you can do that, on an suitably accelerated Amiga playing Frontier). Last edited by Pat the Cat; 04 January 2017 at 06:27.

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03 January 2017, 01:44	#63
Pat the Cat Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 481	Yeah, Hyperion are the people still releasing 4.1 Final Edition. They just released an update too - needs 60MB fast RAM to install, on a real Miggy. Minimum. PPC or seriously beefed original Miggy needed (they do support old 68K, but they do warn it needs to be a beast of an Amiga to try to turn it).

03 January 2017, 02:43	#65
bubbob42 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 585	@plasmab: as soon as you have your autoconfig id, please send me a list of your product names/ids so I can add them to boards.library.

03 January 2017, 17:48	#67
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	Seems it was SetPatches was failing. I disassered CIIN for my fast memory and the issue went away. anyone know whats up here?

03 January 2017, 17:53	#68
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	here is an overview of those changes in the 3.x rom. some patches added, workbench library removed. that could explain non working workbench. but dunno exactly. here are some version of the missing one - next to others.

03 January 2017, 18:17	#70
emufan Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: #DrainTheSwamp Posts: 4,545	ah, allright. i only saw 3.x - that usually refers to the pimped one.

03 January 2017, 19:28	#72
Locutus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Finland Posts: 1,175	Long shot: i think what is happening is that AmigaOS is trying to set your fastram area as cachable/noncachable and somewhere that is going wrong.

04 January 2017, 00:28	#74
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	Havent been feeling well today so I couldnt face making a proper video.. [ Show youtube player ] A performance demo

04 January 2017, 13:12	#78
Superman Super Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 48 Posts: 1,333	Very impressive! Frontier looks lovely and smooth, another game I would recommed testing is F18A Interceptor as that responds nicely to accelerator cards also.

04 January 2017, 14:22	#80
Locutus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Finland Posts: 1,175	The resulting speed of your config will depend on (many various) host machine properties.... Accelerated speeds are not really replicatable on WinUAE

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