VICE - The Versatile Commodore Emulator ported to Amiga finally!!!

DrBong · 13 July 2006, 13:23

Slightly old news, but several new Amiga ports of VICE 1.19 have appeared over the last couple of months, courtesy of AmiDog and Piru:

http://www.amidog.com/amiga/vice/

Ports for AmigaOS3 (m68k), AmigaOS4 (PowerPC), AROS (i686), AROS (PowerPC) and MorphOS (PowerPC) can be downloaded here:

http://www.amidog.com/amiga/vice/download.html

commie1974 · 13 July 2006, 15:58

Yeeeeeeaaaaahhhh!!!
At last, guys

Great newz, DrBong

mr_a500 · 13 July 2006, 17:07

It's a pity that it requires a graphics card. I wanted to run the PET emulator. It's annoying that you need a graphics card to emulate a monochrome computer.

(yes, I know that it's because it's a port)

amiga · 13 July 2006, 17:49

@mr_a500:

Get the new WinUAE 1.2 platform everyone's talking about. It runs like a dream.
The most high-end A4000. It even has 16-bit Paula

mr_a500 · 13 July 2006, 17:52

Quote:

Get the new WinUAE 1.2 platform everyone's talking about. It runs like a dream.

What? I'm using a real Amiga here. I doubt WinUAE will run like a dream on my A500.

Thanks anyway.

BippyM · 13 July 2006, 18:00

and also there is little point running vice thru winuae (other than for obvious reasons.. like to see if it'd work) you might as well run the PC version directly!

Tony Landais · 13 July 2006, 18:02

i am a bit worried about how fast it would run on a real amiga
I only get a C64 at 6FPS with WinUAE and default settings or 30 FPS with optimised settings.
As usual sound emulation is very time consuming.

DrBong · 13 July 2006, 18:34

Quote:

i am a bit worried about how fast it would run on a real amiga
I only get a C64 at 6FPS with WinUAE and default settings or 30 FPS with optimised settings. As usual sound emulation is very time consuming.

My original post was done quickly at work, so I'll add some of my first impressions here now. I tested this for a couple of hours a fortnight ago on A4000/060 with Picasso II gfx card. It pretty much crawls with unoptimised settings. With optimised settings and sound turned off it runs at a half-decent rate, but depends to some extent on how sophisticated the C64 game or demo is that you're trying to run. Speed is not too flattering with C64 games that are hardware intensive (e.g. shoot 'em-ups like Turrican). Not sure if type of Amiga gfx card (i.e. 2D vs 3D vs PCI) is a great factor for speed with sound turned off, but I imagine it is with sound emulation turned on. Anyway, I would have liked to have fiddled around with it a bit more, but unfortunately my Amiga went down a day or two later. I hope to get my A4000T/060/PPC back soon, so I imagine the MorphOS version will run much faster on that.

As it stands, VICE on 060 is what Frodo is to Magic64 on 030/040 speed-wise. VICE is definitely a class above Frodo, so hopefully the AmigaOS3 version will benefit from further optimisation in future updates. I imagine this initial release is not terribly optimised, so there should be some room for improvement in subsequent versions. Emailing the author might provide some strong encouragement for this to happen..........so get on it if you want it!

commie1974 · 14 July 2006, 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_a500

What? I'm using a real Amiga here. I doubt WinUAE will run like a dream on my A500.

Thanks anyway.

LOL, I totally agree!!
Hail to all hardcore REAL miggy users in here!

amiga · 14 July 2006, 08:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by commie1974

...
Hail to all hardcore REAL miggy users in here!

I use WinUAE and I am a REAL miggy user, no less than you !!!

DrBong · 14 July 2006, 10:33

@amiga
Erm, I'm not sure that he meant it the way you took it exactly. Doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't make much sense to run the Amiga port of VICE through emulation when the latest version with all features functional is available and developed for PC first. This news item is more about using real Amiga set-ups rather than emulation. If it works via WinUAE, then that's a good thing given it's an app, but quite pointless for regular use.

@everyone
Anyone tried it on real hardware and want to share their first impressions?

Psycreator[mds] · 14 July 2006, 13:05

Tested VICE just for fun on my A4000TE 060 128mb ram and CVPCC plus a Repulse Soundcard.
First impression, it is very compatible, any Game worked without problems on the C64 and Plus4 Emulator. But it is really slow on 68k, 2-5 FPS maximum here

)

If it would run as fast as MAgic64 it would be a cool Emulator, but this will never happen, so this Emulator is for High Powered PPC or PC's only. Can't wait until I got a PPC Amiga myself, the Vice would be fine

)

mr_a500 · 14 July 2006, 16:14

Quote:

Anyone tried it on real hardware and want to share their first impressions?

Yeah, I tried it on a real Amiga 500 and it failed when it tried to load cybergraphics.library. It ran great up to that point.

@commie1974:
Hail to you too.

@amiga:
I don't want to get into a pointless arguement, but WinUAE is NOT a real Amiga. You may emulate real Amiga software, but you are not a REAL Amiga user (...due to your lack of REAL Amiga). Is someone who runs a flight simulator a real jet pilot?

commie1974 · 14 July 2006, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga

I use WinUAE and I am a REAL miggy user, no less than you !!!

Hey, the word 'REAL' goes to 'miggy', not to 'users'

I am completely sure that you are a REAL user of Amiga, else you would never had joined EAB

But, IMHO.....
WinUAE sucks! In fact it's a good piece of software, but it runs on a ludicrous OS, hehe! Try a MacOS or a UNIX version, insted! But even in this case....
Nothing beats the real thing!!!!

amiga · 14 July 2006, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by commie1974

Hey, the word 'REAL' goes to 'miggy', not to 'users'

I am completely sure that you are a REAL user of Amiga, else you would never had joined EAB

But, IMHO.....
WinUAE sucks! In fact it's a good piece of software, but it runs on a ludicrous OS, hehe! Try a MacOS or a UNIX version, insted! But even in this case....
Nothing beats the real thing!!!!

Don't get overheated (like the "real thing")

amiga · 14 July 2006, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_a500

... Is someone who runs a flight simulator a real jet pilot?

Judging from the incompetence of today's jet pilots, I'd say "yes"

commie1974 · 14 July 2006, 18:11

Hehe, the real thing NEVER got overheated, even with an improved, power-consuming setup of extra drives, RAM etc.
And of course it never needed a 850watt-fan or thick-as-a-brick heatsinks, like the machines running.... you know what!!!

amiga · 14 July 2006, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by commie1974

Hehe, the real thing NEVER got overheated, even with an improved, power-consuming setup of extra drives, RAM etc.
And of course it never needed a 850watt-fan or thick-as-a-brick heatsinks, like the machines running.... you know what!!!

Ok ok , I give up

mr_a500 · 14 July 2006, 18:25

So, to get back on topic:
Did anybody else try Amiga VICE?

Ironclaw · 14 July 2006, 18:28

I agree, a true "Amigan" is someone who only uses a Amiga for all the games and stuff, and not emulates it through WinUAE.... BUT

, I love WinUAE as it's soooo much faster and better in 1 million ways + more

. Of course, it's a pain having to emulate it through a focking PC... but it's worth it cuz I can play all games and do all the stuff any Amiga can do sooo much faster and better (except PPC).... quicksave.. YEAH! :P...

Best regards,

Ironclaw - A focking super mega Amiga freak who loves the Amiga computer more than SEX!!! (weeeee)

13 July 2006, 13:23	#1
DrBong HOL / AMR Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 2,632	VICE - The Versatile Commodore Emulator ported to Amiga finally!!! Slightly old news, but several new Amiga ports of VICE 1.19 have appeared over the last couple of months, courtesy of AmiDog and Piru: http://www.amidog.com/amiga/vice/ Ports for AmigaOS3 (m68k), AmigaOS4 (PowerPC), AROS (i686), AROS (PowerPC) and MorphOS (PowerPC) can be downloaded here: http://www.amidog.com/amiga/vice/download.html

13 July 2006, 18:02	#7
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	i am a bit worried about how fast it would run on a real amiga I only get a C64 at 6FPS with WinUAE and default settings or 30 FPS with optimised settings. As usual sound emulation is very time consuming. Last edited by Tony Landais; 13 July 2006 at 18:09.

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13 July 2006, 15:58	#2
commie1974 Amiga? What's that?!? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Piraeus-Greece Age: 50 Posts: 256	Yeeeeeeaaaaahhhh!!! At last, guys Great newz, DrBong

13 July 2006, 17:07	#3
mr_a500 Amiga-based Cyborg Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 808	It's a pity that it requires a graphics card. I wanted to run the PET emulator. It's annoying that you need a graphics card to emulate a monochrome computer. (yes, I know that it's because it's a port)

13 July 2006, 17:49	#4
amiga Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Amiga_land Posts: 443	@mr_a500: Get the new WinUAE 1.2 platform everyone's talking about. It runs like a dream. The most high-end A4000. It even has 16-bit Paula

13 July 2006, 18:00	#6
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	and also there is little point running vice thru winuae (other than for obvious reasons.. like to see if it'd work) you might as well run the PC version directly!

14 July 2006, 10:33	#11
DrBong HOL / AMR Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 2,632	@amiga Erm, I'm not sure that he meant it the way you took it exactly. Doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't make much sense to run the Amiga port of VICE through emulation when the latest version with all features functional is available and developed for PC first. This news item is more about using real Amiga set-ups rather than emulation. If it works via WinUAE, then that's a good thing given it's an app, but quite pointless for regular use. @everyone Anyone tried it on real hardware and want to share their first impressions?

14 July 2006, 13:05	#12
Psycreator[mds] Amiga Musician Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Warstein/Germany Age: 44 Posts: 18	Tested VICE just for fun on my A4000TE 060 128mb ram and CVPCC plus a Repulse Soundcard. First impression, it is very compatible, any Game worked without problems on the C64 and Plus4 Emulator. But it is really slow on 68k, 2-5 FPS maximum here ) If it would run as fast as MAgic64 it would be a cool Emulator, but this will never happen, so this Emulator is for High Powered PPC or PC's only. Can't wait until I got a PPC Amiga myself, the Vice would be fine )

14 July 2006, 18:11	#17
commie1974 Amiga? What's that?!? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Piraeus-Greece Age: 50 Posts: 256	Hehe, the real thing NEVER got overheated, even with an improved, power-consuming setup of extra drives, RAM etc. And of course it never needed a 850watt-fan or thick-as-a-brick heatsinks, like the machines running.... you know what!!!

14 July 2006, 18:25	#19
mr_a500 Amiga-based Cyborg Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 808	So, to get back on topic: Did anybody else try Amiga VICE?

14 July 2006, 18:28	#20
Ironclaw Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ... Age: 45 Posts: 3,313	I agree, a true "Amigan" is someone who only uses a Amiga for all the games and stuff, and not emulates it through WinUAE.... BUT , I love WinUAE as it's soooo much faster and better in 1 million ways + more . Of course, it's a pain having to emulate it through a focking PC... but it's worth it cuz I can play all games and do all the stuff any Amiga can do sooo much faster and better (except PPC).... quicksave.. YEAH! :P... Best regards, Ironclaw - A focking super mega Amiga freak who loves the Amiga computer more than SEX!!! (weeeee)

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