32Gb IDE CF on A1200

Miracle · 25 March 2010, 14:33

Hi guys,

I'm new to this forum and i see that there is a lot of post about CF cards but none give me a good answer to my problem.

I buy a 32Gb CF card.

I install classicWBAdv in the latest Version of WinUAE.
I connect my CF to WinUAE
i upgrade the scsi.device to the latest patched version 42.XX (tuto from Bloodwitch).

When i use the new HDtool provided in classicWb (Myfile\largeHd...)
It see the correct size of the HD (32Gb) and i'm able to create a partition.... even if the partition size cursor give strange size when i play with it.
I use the default setting.

I create a small 500Mo partition
I format my new part using the VhdTool (the one provided in LargeHdSupport) in FFS int DirCache.
I use Dopus to copy the System disk to my new disk
i make the partition bootable, rename it and plug it in my A1200 (with acceleration card)
It boot, i use the workbench, listen to mod, use application, everything cool !
But when i try to launch Whdload Game, the game launch and crash after a few seconds after the presntation screnn (Ex : AlienBreed) ...

So i made another test...

I Erase the CF disk (low level format with the constructor tool) and plug it into my WinUAE ADVclassicWB.
I create a partition, format it and copy a WHDload game inside.
Same crash

The game work perfectly when launched from the WinUAE disk.
The game work perfect when launched from a 256Mo CF plugged inside the PCMCIA port (i own a Amiga2pc tranfert kit).

But when i copy the game to the 32Gb CF, the game crash

I suspect that the Filesystem have something wrong... but i don't know what !

i test different combination since 3 weeks.
It drive me

Please help me before i crash myself

Thanks.

fryguy · 25 March 2010, 14:37

Might be wrong maxtransfer set. Had the same problem on my CF. I could change it without having to reformat the card, but i can't guarantee that it will work for you.

thomas · 25 March 2010, 14:43

Probably not related to your problem, but I would keep my hands off of DirCache. Shiver.

Miracle · 25 March 2010, 14:53

Ok, you give me tow tips to try this evenning.

Change the max transfert value.

I will try "0x0001FE00" that seem to be a "safe" value for unknown disks.
http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/a1200/a1200.html

I suspect this can be a very good advice because it look logic in front of the symptoms.

I will try to format without dircache too.

Other tips are welcome.
Thks.

coze · 25 March 2010, 14:54

did you set the max transfer rate to 0x1fe00 ? (I'm not sure about the correct magic number I always forget it. make a search in the forum)

Miracle · 25 March 2010, 16:06

Thks
I will try to change the MaxTransfert this evening.

I want to talk about another problem.
i'm not able to change the buffer value.
I try to put 100 instead of 30 but the setting allways revert to 30 ! (it was never saved).

coze · 25 March 2010, 16:18

did you press enter after changing the value ? if you don't press enter the changes are not registered.

Miracle · 25 March 2010, 17:16

Quote:

if you don't press enter the changes are not registered.

... very interresting ! i will try this evenning

mfilos · 25 March 2010, 19:29

Sorry to interrupt but since you mentioned it...

I have been using the Max Transfer rate = 1xfe00 for all my years of using SFS on my A1200 BPPC. I never saw my Read/Write Disk speed going over 3.5mb/s with my former FastATA mkIII (in PIO3 cause in every other PIO mode "PIO4/PIO5" I had checksum errors), and now with an ACard mount to BPPC's SCSI2 controller I get max 4.6mb/s.

Is there another Max Transfer rate I can change to, to see a slightly better speed, or this is the number I'm supposed to have for safety no matter what?

I atm use an 16GB CF disk but every other disk I mounted in the past didn't gave any different numbers.

Miracle · 25 March 2010, 19:32

Great News !
I use "0x0001FE00" in the max transfert field and it seem that i don't crash no more !!!!

And the buffer is now 100 !
I never press enter after modify this field but click on "use"

Thanks for the tips

coze · 25 March 2010, 19:40

@mfilos

AFAIK, the max transfer setting is relevant to CF cards on internal amiga IDE port. It shouldn't affect SCSI/IDE adapters on a SCSI controller. You could try changing it to something more meaningful 0x7FFFFFF or something like that and doing a file transfer. I don't think files already on the volume will be affected. But new files with size >512 K would get corrupt.

Toni Wilen · 25 March 2010, 19:56

"Max transfer" does not mean max transfer rate (another too common Amiga myth), it means max amount of bytes that can be transferred in single data transfer unit. Bigger transfers are automatically split to multiple units.

Speed difference will be minimal. (at least in normal use)

Miracle · 25 March 2010, 20:06

In fact this story of "press enter" after edit the field saved me with another pb.
Since week... when trying different config, i try to use SFS for my CF card and wont be able to set it !
I finnaly success in select it in the hdtool after press "enter"

I'm really happy thanks you for the help and the very rapid assistance

I'm really surprised how the Amiga community still dynamic

rkauer · 26 March 2010, 04:00

Maybe a new thread for another problem? This will make things easier for another beginner in future.

Also you'll find some good tutorials searching the internet, mainly in wikipedia.

coze · 26 March 2010, 04:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miracle

In fact this story of "press enter" after edit the field saved me with another pb.
Since week... when trying different config, i try to use SFS for my CF card and wont be able to set it !
I finnaly success in select it in the hdtool after press "enter"

I'm really happy thanks you for the help and the very rapid assistance

I'm really surprised how the Amiga community still dynamic

no problems, it caused me lots of hair loss to figure it out

hope it saved some of yours

15 year old designed guis just don't behave as you expect from them these days

Miracle · 26 March 2010, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer

Maybe a new thread for another problem? This will make things easier for another beginner in future.

Also you'll find some good tutorials searching the internet, mainly in wikipedia.

Yes, if i have the time, i will post a small tuto on how successfully configure SFS with your CF card

I found a lot of tuto on the internet, but no one tell me to press enter when editing the fields.

zombie10k · 26 March 2010, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miracle

Yes, if i have the time, i will post a small tuto on how successfully configure SFS with your CF card

I found a lot of tuto on the internet, but no one tell me to press enter when editing the fields.

Since others were able to help you, could you please do this to help other folks looking to do this as well? I am looking to install a 16gb or 32gb card in my A1200 and it would be searchable for others to find in the future.

thanks!

mfletcher · 26 March 2010, 18:51

Hi Miracle,

What brand / make of CF card did you use?

Thanks,

Mark

mfletcher · 29 March 2010, 18:27

Bump / Prod.

Anyone out there using 32GB CF cards? If so is there a make / brand that you would recommend?

Supamax · 29 March 2010, 19:07

Perhaps I'm not remembering well, but... wasn't it impossible/not recommended to use > 4GB cards/HDDs?

In some other/old posts I remember reading something about data loss etc. when using bigger than 4 GB drives... is this not an issue anymore?

25 March 2010, 14:33	#1
Miracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: VLP / France Posts: 19	[SOLVED]32Gb IDE CF on A1200 Hi guys, I'm new to this forum and i see that there is a lot of post about CF cards but none give me a good answer to my problem. I buy a 32Gb CF card. I install classicWBAdv in the latest Version of WinUAE. I connect my CF to WinUAE i upgrade the scsi.device to the latest patched version 42.XX (tuto from Bloodwitch). When i use the new HDtool provided in classicWb (Myfile\largeHd...) It see the correct size of the HD (32Gb) and i'm able to create a partition.... even if the partition size cursor give strange size when i play with it. I use the default setting. I create a small 500Mo partition I format my new part using the VhdTool (the one provided in LargeHdSupport) in FFS int DirCache. I use Dopus to copy the System disk to my new disk i make the partition bootable, rename it and plug it in my A1200 (with acceleration card) It boot, i use the workbench, listen to mod, use application, everything cool ! But when i try to launch Whdload Game, the game launch and crash after a few seconds after the presntation screnn (Ex : AlienBreed) ... So i made another test... I Erase the CF disk (low level format with the constructor tool) and plug it into my WinUAE ADVclassicWB. I create a partition, format it and copy a WHDload game inside. Same crash The game work perfectly when launched from the WinUAE disk. The game work perfect when launched from a 256Mo CF plugged inside the PCMCIA port (i own a Amiga2pc tranfert kit). But when i copy the game to the 32Gb CF, the game crash I suspect that the Filesystem have something wrong... but i don't know what ! i test different combination since 3 weeks. It drive me Please help me before i crash myself Thanks. Last edited by Miracle; 25 March 2010 at 19:33.

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25 March 2010, 14:37	#2
fryguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skarabörg, Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 1,020	Might be wrong maxtransfer set. Had the same problem on my CF. I could change it without having to reformat the card, but i can't guarantee that it will work for you.

25 March 2010, 14:43	#3
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 7,006	Probably not related to your problem, but I would keep my hands off of DirCache. Shiver.

25 March 2010, 14:53	#4
Miracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: VLP / France Posts: 19	Ok, you give me tow tips to try this evenning. Change the max transfert value. I will try "0x0001FE00" that seem to be a "safe" value for unknown disks. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/a1200/a1200.html I suspect this can be a very good advice because it look logic in front of the symptoms. I will try to format without dircache too. Other tips are welcome. Thks.

25 March 2010, 14:54	#5
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	did you set the max transfer rate to 0x1fe00 ? (I'm not sure about the correct magic number I always forget it. make a search in the forum)

25 March 2010, 16:06	#6
Miracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: VLP / France Posts: 19	Thks I will try to change the MaxTransfert this evening. I want to talk about another problem. i'm not able to change the buffer value. I try to put 100 instead of 30 but the setting allways revert to 30 ! (it was never saved).

25 March 2010, 16:18	#7
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	did you press enter after changing the value ? if you don't press enter the changes are not registered.

25 March 2010, 19:29	#9
mfilos Paranoid Amigoid Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Athens/Greece Age: 45 Posts: 1,978	Sorry to interrupt but since you mentioned it... I have been using the Max Transfer rate = 1xfe00 for all my years of using SFS on my A1200 BPPC. I never saw my Read/Write Disk speed going over 3.5mb/s with my former FastATA mkIII (in PIO3 cause in every other PIO mode "PIO4/PIO5" I had checksum errors), and now with an ACard mount to BPPC's SCSI2 controller I get max 4.6mb/s. Is there another Max Transfer rate I can change to, to see a slightly better speed, or this is the number I'm supposed to have for safety no matter what? I atm use an 16GB CF disk but every other disk I mounted in the past didn't gave any different numbers.

25 March 2010, 19:32	#10
Miracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: VLP / France Posts: 19	Great News ! I use "0x0001FE00" in the max transfert field and it seem that i don't crash no more !!!! And the buffer is now 100 ! I never press enter after modify this field but click on "use" Thanks for the tips

25 March 2010, 19:40	#11
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	@mfilos AFAIK, the max transfer setting is relevant to CF cards on internal amiga IDE port. It shouldn't affect SCSI/IDE adapters on a SCSI controller. You could try changing it to something more meaningful 0x7FFFFFF or something like that and doing a file transfer. I don't think files already on the volume will be affected. But new files with size >512 K would get corrupt.

25 March 2010, 19:56	#12
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,534	"Max transfer" does not mean max transfer rate (another too common Amiga myth), it means max amount of bytes that can be transferred in single data transfer unit. Bigger transfers are automatically split to multiple units. Speed difference will be minimal. (at least in normal use)

25 March 2010, 20:06	#13
Miracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: VLP / France Posts: 19	In fact this story of "press enter" after edit the field saved me with another pb. Since week... when trying different config, i try to use SFS for my CF card and wont be able to set it ! I finnaly success in select it in the hdtool after press "enter" I'm really happy thanks you for the help and the very rapid assistance I'm really surprised how the Amiga community still dynamic

26 March 2010, 04:00	#14
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Maybe a new thread for another problem? This will make things easier for another beginner in future. Also you'll find some good tutorials searching the internet, mainly in wikipedia.

26 March 2010, 18:51	#18
mfletcher Bawbag. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 375	Hi Miracle, What brand / make of CF card did you use? Thanks, Mark

29 March 2010, 18:27	#19
mfletcher Bawbag. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 375	Bump / Prod. Anyone out there using 32GB CF cards? If so is there a make / brand that you would recommend?

29 March 2010, 19:07	#20
Supamax Da Digger :) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Monza, Italy Posts: 2,822	Perhaps I'm not remembering well, but... wasn't it impossible/not recommended to use > 4GB cards/HDDs? In some other/old posts I remember reading something about data loss etc. when using bigger than 4 GB drives... is this not an issue anymore?

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