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Old 19 May 2018, 23:57   #121
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Hi Wawa - thanks for taking the time to stop by this thread (and Amigasystem for relaying the message about registration )

I'll post more tomorrow as I don't really have time tonight. Just for now, I still don't see pre-built contrib binaries for linux-x86_64, just i386. Would they work? I don't know. Last night I built the source of contrib as far as it would compile but it wouldn't complete. What was there was about a 50/50 mix of working flawlessly and crashing badly.

But again, let me just re-iterate that it's more than likely me. I took a wild guess on some of the configure parameters for my build.

For what it's worth I saw something written by you somewhere, I don't recall if it was a post on Aros-exec or somewhere else that made more sense on the subject of building / cross compiling than a lot of the documentation put together. The problem is that it's been a mad week where I've read and consumed so much that I don't recall where I saw all of it.

More when I get a bit more time...

[EDIT] Just re-reading your post up there you've already linked to the post I am referring to about building.
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Old Yesterday, 03:56   #122
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for fans of 1.3 style WB (and flat design) I would suggest something like this here:

(Window titel-bar is a little bit too high - scrollbar too wide... but I like the direction this concept shows...)
I like it a lot! It would be great if AROS (or anything else) could look like this. I also agree with your comments.
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Old Yesterday, 04:05   #123
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I tried AROS Icaros Live a few weeks ago, but felt quite lost on what to do after starting it. Not so much information around on what to do, and it did not look so appealing to me. I fiddled around and found a boing demo (I think it was), tried it and it just crashed. That was the end of it for me, for the moment at least.

It would be nice if it could run and be stable on AArch64, like a Raspberry Pi. It is really low cost hardware and perhaps a more controlled environment.

This 24 core AArch64 box could perhaps be a step-up from the Raspberry Pi, https://www.socionext.com/en/product...ynQuacer/Edge/ now that AROS has SMP. I do not fancy running AROS in a VirtualBox and I do not really want to mess with any x86 stuff unless forced to either. I guess others will have very different opinions...
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Old Yesterday, 09:43   #124
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Love that 24-core board, but it is definitely overkill :-)
And $1200 are simply too much to play around...

But there are so many of this so called "96boads". How about this one for $99:
https://www.96boards.org/product/rock960/

(Dual Cortex-A72 + quad Cortex-A53 CPU.
Packed with 4GB of RAM, 32GB of on board eMMC storage, USB 3.1 type C with DP, Mali T860MP4 GPU with HDMI 2.0 with 4K output, 4 lane M.2 PCI-E 2.1)
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Old Yesterday, 10:13   #125
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I tried AROS Icaros Live a few weeks ago, but felt quite lost on what to do after starting it. Not so much information around on what to do, and it did not look so appealing to me. I fiddled around and found a boing demo (I think it was), tried it and it just crashed. That was the end of it for me, for the moment at least.

Before judging one must know and try !
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I must admit, I suffered many crashes but the boing ball demo was not one of them. Sounds like a graphics related issue to me. But I wasn't for the most part using Icaros but rather Aros System.

Going back a moment to the comments made by Wawa, in particular the interest in feedback, should I start a new thread somewhere? I feel like it's dragging this thread off-topic a bit much and I'm not sure how much interest there really is in how I get on

Talking of which, work has kept me busy until late at night so far. I hope to take another look at Aros later in the week, or if not at the weekend. That does depend a little on if I can drag myself away from the sun. Don't see it very often here.
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Thank you MartinW, I hope as soon as possible to test some of your work, maybe it would be right to open a specific discussion.
Here to me (Italy of the South Puglia-Salento) there is a lot of sun and wind, many started to swim in the sea.

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Love that 24-core board, but it is definitely overkill :-)
And $1200 are simply too much to play around...

But there are so many of this so called "96boads". How about this one for $99:
https://www.96boards.org/product/rock960/

(Dual Cortex-A72 + quad Cortex-A53 CPU.
Packed with 4GB of RAM, 32GB of on board eMMC storage, USB 3.1 type C with DP, Mali T860MP4 GPU with HDMI 2.0 with 4K output, 4 lane M.2 PCI-E 2.1)
There seems to be many interesting AArch64 boards to choose from at various price levels that are not going to break the bank for most people.

I would like to see more focus on something that has a future. I do not want a virtual machine and I prefer something that is fun and affordable. The AArch64 seems to hit a sweet spot for me at least.

I guess the alternative would be a new 68K ASIC and continuing on the 3.1 code base. But dream on, it will not happen with the current state of affairs. Maybe it is time to leave all that behind and look ahead instead?
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It would be nice if it could run and be stable on AArch64, like a Raspberry Pi. It is really low cost hardware and perhaps a more controlled environment.

This 24 core AArch64 box could perhaps be a step-up from the Raspberry Pi, https://www.socionext.com/en/product...ynQuacer/Edge/ now that AROS has SMP. I do not fancy running AROS in a VirtualBox and I do not really want to mess with any x86 stuff unless forced to either. I guess others will have very different opinions...
Very cool in a nerdy way, but for the money, any old Intel Skylake or Kabylake CPU (dual, quad, or hexcore) OVERCLOCKED to 5+ GHZ will eat that for lunch at a better value since you can also do other things with it.

It's the old MHZ vs Cores argument and even TODAY, not much REALLY uses more than 4 cores, 8 threads unless we are talking about server or back end type systems.

I am more excited about Apple's announcement for their NEXT CPU after x86. That may be the platform to rejuvenate the Amiga albeit will be premium compared to cheapo PC's.
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I am more excited about Apple's announcement for their NEXT CPU after x86. That may be the platform to rejuvenate the Amiga albeit will be premium compared to cheapo PC's.
Is that anything more than speculation? I sincerely hope they don't abandon x86 to go their own way as I love MacOS but that will probably be the final nail in the coffin if they do. They have systematically dropped directly supporting a lot of things, two examples: Java and X11 and pushed them back to the original teams. That was probably the right thing to do given Apple machines used an architecture that was common with a large part of the industry. To then go their own way though means that we are then back at the mercy of those teams having to play catchup with information that they may or may not get in a timely fashion.

I'm usually OK with a lot of things that Apple do, but in this regard I just wish they'd focus elsewhere for now. What with PPC->Rosetta->x86 it feels like they just LIKE being in a state of change. My USB C only MacBok Pro is laughable with all the dongles sticking out, but it's fine and I understand the need to try to move on.
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Apple are in the process of dropping x86 right now, very soon no apps will be allowed unless they're x64.

And as they're gearing up their own chip fabrication at a frightening rate (7nm now!) it won't be long before they're able to compete with intel and possibly surpass them with an ARM-based design.

And it's not as if they don't have a history of dropping hardware or architectures when it suits them.
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Well if you watch Apple very closely regarding HW updates, its about time. X86 in Mac is what, 8 years old now? And what else has Intel done for the past 15-20 years other than give users 10-15% more per core? They are really sitting on their arse milking the consumer.

Apple IS also developing / making their own ARM type chips. That is like 50% or more of their market already - iOS - mobile, tablets, watches, Apple TV, etc...

x86 is on desktop, servers, laptops (not tablets) and iMacs (laptop with BIG screen).

So it makes sense for Apple to put their own CPU into everything from a business perspective IF their AX cpu can get close to current/upcoming x86/x64 CPUs.

Apple has always done really well pushing the user experience with new tech / toys even if they don't always workout in the market - firewire? They do have a lot of pull to preview NG type HW. They have to plan their product line out at least 2 years out.

I wonder how the Amiga could have been if they had Apple type support in the background... Amiga could be ruling it now... AmigaOS on Apple HW could be THE hobby OS for Mac heads and others for the Amiga community. At least you know the HW will be fairly good.
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Apple are in the process of dropping x86 right now, very soon no apps will be allowed unless they're x64.
Yeah, sorry, I know that. I didn't mean the i386->x64 change. That's been rumbling on in the background for some time now. I meant the whole Arm thing.

I know there's a lot of speculation but was wondering if it is anything more than just that, speculation. I can see it from a business point of view, but...

Well, but nothing i guess. They have to keep making their billions. I can't really see how it benefits Aros much though (as per this thread). If I spent £1k+ on a new Apple machine I'd hardly be looking to wipe it and put Aros on it. And that's even if Apple permitted it which let's face it, if they make it anything like any of their other devices then they won't. it will be locked down tight.
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