Discussion: Rygar AGA Edition - Page 67

ross · 14 September 2019, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by gian2k

Black frame insertion (50% brightness down) only background parallax
is possible load a new image sprite each frames

i ask, my idea is achievable?

About your idea.

Can work, but you have not only a "50% brightness down" but also (heavy) flickering

Now I stop myself to divert Rygar thread

gian2k · 14 September 2019, 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ross

About your idea.

Can work, but you have not only a "50% brightness down" but also (heavy) flickering

Now I stop myself to divert Rygar thread

yes, but it's fast. Draw the first frame with sprites, wait for the end of the beam , then draw the second frame by moving the sprites. The roondar method is complicated and the dma cost is high:repositioning/reloading needs to be repeated on the fly every scanline and the copperlist is very large and complex.

Tigerskunk · 14 September 2019, 20:20

Such a huge area of flickering looks shit, though.

roondar · 14 September 2019, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by gian2k

yes, but it's fast. Draw the first frame with sprites, wait for the end of the beam , then draw the second frame by moving the sprites. The roondar method is complicated and the dma cost is high:repositioning/reloading needs to be repeated on the fly every scanline and the copperlist is very large and complex.

DMA cost of my method is high indeed. Copperlist is also large. I'd not actually use it as is in an OCS game - it was more of a thought experiment gone wild than anything else. My hope was that it would help people consider weird and wacky solutions

However... For the purposes of AGA, it's a lot less bad due to the much wider sprites. My small AGA experiment at the end of the thread only needed to reload a few (i.e. 3) sprites rather than the 11 the OCS version needed to reload. Which meant the DMA load was way cheaper. Note here that the only reason it needed to reload sprites is that I insisted on a 15 colour background. If a 4 colour background will do, you might not need any reloading of sprite data at all.

As for black frame insertion, I'm sure something like that could work but I'm unsure it wouldn't be to flickery to watch though.

Anyway, back to Rygar...

mcgeezer · 14 September 2019, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by roondar

Anyway, back to Rygar...

and back it is...

so much so that the game is...barring a sample corruption caused on one of the rounds and an issue with the password system... FINISHED...FINITO

I'll do a live stream tomorrow afternoon, around about 4pm.

With a bit of luck I'll have ironed out the couple of bugs and I can play the game all the way through.

Geezer

roondar · 14 September 2019, 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

and back it is...

so much so that the game is...barring a sample corruption caused on one of the rounds and an issue with the password system... FINISHED...FINITO

I'll do a live stream tomorrow afternoon, around about 4pm.

With a bit of luck I'll have ironed out the couple of bugs and I can play the game all the way through.

Geezer

Grats! That is awesome news!

dlfrsilver · 15 September 2019, 03:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

and back it is...

so much so that the game is...barring a sample corruption caused on one of the rounds and an issue with the password system... FINISHED...FINITO

I'll do a live stream tomorrow afternoon, around about 4pm.

With a bit of luck I'll have ironed out the couple of bugs and I can play the game all the way through.

Geezer

Awesome, can't wait

invent · 15 September 2019, 13:51

Nice one mcgeezer, look forward to it.

Tigerskunk · 15 September 2019, 13:56

Congratulations...

Tigerskunk · 15 September 2019, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by roondar

DMA cost of my method is high indeed. Copperlist is also large. I'd not actually use it as is in an OCS game - it was more of a thought experiment gone wild than anything else. My hope was that it would help people consider weird and wacky solutions

It's an interesting new "weapon" in our arsenal, so kudos to you for finding this method..

JuanLuis · 15 September 2019, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

and back it is...

so much so that the game is...barring a sample corruption caused on one of the rounds and an issue with the password system... FINISHED...FINITO

I'll do a live stream tomorrow afternoon, around about 4pm.

With a bit of luck I'll have ironed out the couple of bugs and I can play the game all the way through.

Geezer

Thanks McGeezer. 4PM UK Time. We are waiting for you

mcgeezer · 15 September 2019, 17:16

OK, just getting audio sorted which is a pain.

Stream is here..

[ Show youtube player ]

ztronzo · 15 September 2019, 19:44

Excellent job on Rygar AGA!!

I felt the need to give you my thoughts on this since the game has a few more days under development and hopefully I am not asking too much.
I want to suggest just some last minute tweaks!!! if possible and its not already too late.

Please check frame animation of death scene and the barrel rotate animation during the level advance. All other animations jump, fall, rope climb, rope hit seem to be frame by frame perfect with the rope animation looking even better than the arcade version.

These are the animations that every frame gets stuck in your mind while playing.

A) The death scene seems to have less gravity and to be sliding too much in the end..

Amiga death scene:
youtu.be/8YHtCrQbF8Y?t=1171
youtu.be/8YHtCrQbF8Y?t=1311

Arcade death scene:
youtu.be/Dad1awmRehQ?t=628
youtu.be/Dad1awmRehQ?t=653
youtu.be/KBlj6YUzAyg?t=98

B) On advancing through levels, it seems the AGA version has too many frames which are off-synced from the dragon barrel while entering and exiting, there is also an extra frame of backward motion to the hero.
I don't mind the part where the character doesn't lift the dragon barrel up a pixel or the frame speed, but please check the frame by frame rotation they don't seem to be at sync.
The arcade version is more snug holding on it and the dragon always keeps facing the hero while its being rotated.

Amiga Level rotation scene:
youtu.be/8YHtCrQbF8Y?t=1030
youtu.be/8YHtCrQbF8Y?t=1303

Arcade Level rotation scene:
youtu.be/Dad1awmRehQ?t=679
youtu.be/Dad1awmRehQ?t=695

I do not want to be negative in any way, my suggestion is for this game to achieve perfection since it deserves it!!
I hope it's not too much of a hassle!

Foul · 15 September 2019, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztronzo

B) On advancing through levels, it seems the AGA version has too many frames which are off-synced from the dragon barrel while entering and exiting, there is also an extra frame of backward motion to the hero.
I don't mind the part where the character doesn't lift the dragon barrel up a pixel or the frame speed, but please check the frame by frame rotation they don't seem to be at sync.
The arcade version is more snug holding on it and the dragon always keeps facing the hero while its being rotated.

Amiga Level rotation scene:
youtu.be/8YHtCrQbF8Y?t=1030
youtu.be/8YHtCrQbF8Y?t=1303

Arcade Level rotation scene:
youtu.be/Dad1awmRehQ?t=679
youtu.be/Dad1awmRehQ?t=695

I do not want to be negative in any way, my suggestion is for this game to achieve perfection since it deserves it!!
I hope it's not too much of a hassle!

i've already mentioned this a long time ago here

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=473

ztronzo · 16 September 2019, 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foul

i've already mentioned this a long time ago here

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=473

I am glad I am not the only one noticing this!! :-)
These are the things that get stuck in your subconscious while playing the original...

I hope the developers spot it in-time and its just a matter of fine-tuning so it wont be too much trouble for them to adjust it..

mcgeezer · 16 September 2019, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foul

i've already mentioned this a long time ago here

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=473

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztronzo

I am glad I am not the only one noticing this!! :-)
These are the things that get stuck in your subconscious while playing the original...

I hope the developers spot it in-time and its just a matter of fine-tuning so it wont be too much trouble for them to adjust it..

Thanks gents, the Rygar death sequence I have already addressed previously. The sanctuary rotation sequence I can look at - if I get the time.

My focus is on fixing bugs in the game.

Geezer

vulture · 16 September 2019, 15:37

Congratulations mcgeezer! The video is set to private?

mcgeezer · 16 September 2019, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by vulture

Congratulations mcgeezer! The video is set to private?

Yes because i didnt cut it yet... hopefully do it tonight.

JuanLuis · 16 September 2019, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

OK, just getting audio sorted which is a pain.

Stream is here..

[ Show youtube player ]

Don't worry McGeezer. I'm not an english speaker and I could understand almost everything you said.

Thanks again for the streaming.

Foul · 16 September 2019, 21:59

To be honest.. the last time I waited like that to play a game...was Half-life 2... I'm excited to play with the final version

15 September 2019, 19:44	#1333
ztronzo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Montreal Posts: 296	Excellent job on Rygar AGA!! I felt the need to give you my thoughts on this since the game has a few more days under development and hopefully I am not asking too much. I want to suggest just some last minute tweaks!!! if possible and its not already too late. Please check frame animation of death scene and the barrel rotate animation during the level advance. All other animations jump, fall, rope climb, rope hit seem to be frame by frame perfect with the rope animation looking even better than the arcade version. These are the animations that every frame gets stuck in your mind while playing. A) The death scene seems to have less gravity and to be sliding too much in the end.. Amiga death scene: youtu.be/8YHtCrQbF8Y?t=1171 youtu.be/8YHtCrQbF8Y?t=1311 Arcade death scene: youtu.be/Dad1awmRehQ?t=628 youtu.be/Dad1awmRehQ?t=653 youtu.be/KBlj6YUzAyg?t=98 B) On advancing through levels, it seems the AGA version has too many frames which are off-synced from the dragon barrel while entering and exiting, there is also an extra frame of backward motion to the hero. I don't mind the part where the character doesn't lift the dragon barrel up a pixel or the frame speed, but please check the frame by frame rotation they don't seem to be at sync. The arcade version is more snug holding on it and the dragon always keeps facing the hero while its being rotated. Amiga Level rotation scene: youtu.be/8YHtCrQbF8Y?t=1030 youtu.be/8YHtCrQbF8Y?t=1303 Arcade Level rotation scene: youtu.be/Dad1awmRehQ?t=679 youtu.be/Dad1awmRehQ?t=695 I do not want to be negative in any way, my suggestion is for this game to achieve perfection since it deserves it!! I hope it's not too much of a hassle! Last edited by ztronzo; 15 September 2019 at 19:58.

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14 September 2019, 20:20	#1323
Tigerskunk Inviyya Dude! Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Amiga Island Posts: 2,770	Such a huge area of flickering looks shit, though.

15 September 2019, 13:51	#1328
invent pixels Join Date: May 2014 Location: Australia Age: 52 Posts: 476	Nice one mcgeezer, look forward to it.

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Tigerskunk Inviyya Dude! Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Amiga Island Posts: 2,770	Congratulations...

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mcgeezer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Sunderland, England Posts: 2,702	OK, just getting audio sorted which is a pain. Stream is here.. [ Show youtube player ]

16 September 2019, 15:37	#1337
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,840	Congratulations mcgeezer! The video is set to private?

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