A3000 bootup problems

[mray]

Hello board I need your advice and knowledge on a changed bootup on
the A3000 with alpha boot roms 1.4 completing to what I believe is
2.04/37.71 What has changed is upon early bootup (with depressed mouse
buttons) it comes up with the normal boot selection screen 1.3 or 2.04 or at
upper left screen hidden button 1.4 . When selecting 1.4 it no longer
comes up with 1.4 WB instead a 68040 requestor after dismissal of this screen
it goes to what i believe to a 2.04 CLI window....So Iam looking for answers
to resolve this problem.

To be clear it will boot up completely with no early boot up selected.

Your information greatly appreciated
My best regards
Mike

[Jope]

Ok, I found it a bit difficult to understand your message.

If you don't quit out into 1.4 from the kickstart selection menu, it works correctly?

A 2.04 system is not expected to boot properly in the 1.4 kickstart ROM, I don't believe there is a 1.4 WB disk available that works that well with that ROM version.

The 1.4 is not supposed to be used for more than loading the superkick file from devs:kickstarts and then handing the machine over to the RAM based kickstart, it is not a feature complete or otherwise very functional release.

[mray]

Yes without selecting early boot the unit boots correctly in to workbench 2.04
While I do not really use WB1.4 I am concerned that it has gone away and would
like to restore that capability. So the screen that appears after 36040 dismissal
shows kickstart 36.0 and workbench 37.71 CLI does not go to WB1.4 as it did before

[hth313]

If you used Workbench version 1 before it was most likely 1.3, not 1.4. You can have a boot partition for this, I think it is called WB_1.3 (version 2 or later use the WB_2.x partition).

[mray]

Originally Posted by hth313

If you used Workbench version 1 before it was most likely 1.3, not 1.4. You can have a boot partition for this, I think it is called WB_1.3 (version 2 or later use the WB_2.x partition).

Hth thank you for the reply. To my knowledge I did not have a partition
1.3 or 1.4 Having said that I am new to this system. The 1.3 HD boot screen
did not show up on early bootup screen only 2.x . However That makes me
think that there may have been a 1.4 that has been lost . Sending photo of
1.4 that used to come up. Thinking.. if 1.4 was not a partition where would
this come from I was thinking that it might be imbedded within the bootroms
I know that the 1.4 that came up was very limited in features.
Maybe I should get a program that might search of lost partitions
Note on the top line on the picture it says (WB internal 36.1385) open to
suggestions on this
Look forward to your comments or of course others as well
Mike

[hth313]

Version 1.3 was a real release. After 1.3 Commodore went for a long development up to what was to become version 2. I think 2.04 is the official one, though it may also have been a 2.02 or something before that.

2.04 is kickstart 37.175, that is a widely used version.

Before 2.04 the stable version was 1.3. Between these there were numerous of beta versions during a long period of time. They usually have version 36.xxx.

I do not really think you want to use that 1.4(?) version at all, as 2.04 is a much better and stable version. You may perhaps want to be to use 1.3 if you have that, but there is really no point to use anything between anymore. These beta versions were also only available to developers. They do not contain anything extra that you want, except bugs that have been fixed in 2.04.

[mray]

IT is not so much that I need 1.4 I just want to know and get back to what I had
So any knowledge you have in that regard would be greatly appreciated. I read
your recent posts and it appears that you have recently gained a lot of knowledge
the hard way Glad to read you resolved your problems. It also appears that I need to follow and understand your and other posters recommendations

[Jope]

Looking at the photos you attached, that system was booted from one of the WB 1.4 floppies floating around the internet to get the last screenshot.

The early startup and hdtoolbox screenshots don't imply any other bootable partitions than WB_2.x, so if you did not do any changes to the partitions on your HD, you will not have had a 1.4 partition.

I have a hard time giving you the answer you want, as all the evidence implies that this machine was not able to boot into WB under 1.4 from the hard disks you have plugged in. You said you were new to this system. I understand that sentence as you just got this A3000. How do you know what it was booting into before if you're new to the system?

To explain my attitude: as I've hinted a few times, it was not common for anyone to use the hidden "boot to 1.4" feature in these computers other than maybe once out of curiosity. It's not documented anywhere in the manuals. The "1.4" kickstart fitted into these machines was never intended to be used for any interactive use, it was specially crafted to contain just enough of the OS to be able to see the hard disk, display some intuition graphics and load the kickstart file from the HD and boot into a more final release. The A3000 was never shipped with any WB1.4 floppies either, the early ones had 1.3 and 2.0x included.

[mray]

I Just got, meaning Mid February of this year. So I yes I am new to this unit. I only learned of the alpha boot roms and the 1.4WB screen a few short weeks ago
and yes I did get a WB 1.4 floppy from the Internet a couple of weeks ago, While exploring information on the Ziptest program I was running on my system
and maybe that is what that last screen shot was of it was taken 6/19 . So I am still in the process of learning my way around this system, and thank you for your help!

Mike