WorkBench 3.0 not showing all drawers/folders??

PowerPie5000 · 17 January 2009, 21:09

Ive recently started going through a load of old disks with various utils and games on them to see which ones can be installed to the hard drive.

Ive installed a few things which work fine but ive noticed that some things such as deluxe paint when installed cannot be found unless i use the "window - show - all files" function in workbench 3.0

By default WB 3.0 is set to "window - show - only icons" which has never been a problem as it will show all my drawers/folders and anything else ive installed on the hard drive, but theres a few things i cannot find when installed until i have the show all option enabled.

Its not a big problem but it resets back to the "show - only icons" when the amiga is restarted which then hides some of my drawers/folders!?

I dont understand why it does this? i mean they have the same drawer icon as the rest of my installed software and its all installed on the same drive but the same things disappear next time i load workbench unless i use show - all files.

Can anyone help me with this please? its not something ive noticed in the past thanks!

TCD · 17 January 2009, 21:17

Hi PowerPie5000,

if you select 'Snapshot -> All' from the menu after you selected 'Show All Files' it will be stored and the next time you should see all files again

DoogUK · 17 January 2009, 21:18

After clicking show all files.....click snapshot then all...next time they will all be visible.

DoogUK · 17 January 2009, 21:19

Druid beat me to it

PowerPie5000 · 17 January 2009, 21:27

ahh! so thats what snapshot is for! ive never used it and never found out what it was for and have icons and folders scattered everywhere! so i should be able to clean up all directories then use snapshot and it will al stay the same next time i boot?

Im still not sure why certain folders dont show as they seem the same as the others (just a directory with files in them and a drawer icon)

Thanks for the help, much appreciated!

DoogUK · 17 January 2009, 21:36

Yep, after a cleanup and a snapshot all drwers and files remain neat.

TCD · 17 January 2009, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerPie5000

ahh! so thats what snapshot is for! ive never used it and never found out what it was for and have icons and folders scattered everywhere! so i should be able to clean up all directories then use snapshot and it will al stay the same next time i boot?

Yup, exactly that

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerPie5000

Im still not sure why certain folders dont show as they seem the same as the others (just a directory with files in them and a drawer icon)

Because they have no '.info' file (similar to an icon). You could create one and then those files will also show up without all files selected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerPie5000

Thanks for the help, much appreciated!

You're welcome

Edit : Now Doog beats me to it

meega · 17 January 2009, 21:43

If a drawer/file does not show up when you are showing only icons then that is because that drawer/file does not have an icon.

They look the same provided the default icons are the same as the ones that you can see when showing only icons (which is normally true in Workbench 2.0+). If the real icons are different (e.g. from WB1.3, or off a PD disk, etc.) then they will look different to the ones that are supplied with a default icon by the system when you choose show all... I trust that helps further. (Also, play with IconEdit.)

ppill · 17 January 2009, 21:53

I've always wondered why there even was a clean-up option in the first place. Icons should rearrange automatically.

PowerPie5000 · 17 January 2009, 21:53

Ok it all makes sense now, ive used snapshot and it works perfectly! cant believe i never bothered to find out what is was for all this time, oh well.

Would it be easy creating a .info file for the folders that dont have one? even though it might not be worth it now ive used snapshot on show all, thanks for your help again!

meega · 17 January 2009, 21:56

Play with IconEdit.

prowler · 17 January 2009, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ppill

I've always wondered why there even was a clean-up option in the first place. Icons should rearrange automatically.

It's not just a strange feature of the Amiga OS; The Mac OS is just the same!

ppill · 17 January 2009, 22:02

Weird... maybe they should add an 'obscured' view option in Windows 7

meega · 17 January 2009, 22:03

If you snapshot a window at a given size, and then you resize that window, then clean it up, the icons will get rearranged to fit in nice rows/columns within the new window size.

TCD · 17 January 2009, 22:06

@ppill

Yeah, a shuffle icons option would be cool (for the very bored

)
"Now, where is my Powerpoint shortcut today. Hmm..."

PowerPie5000 · 17 January 2009, 23:01

Yeah i think i will go through everything the amiga os has to offer, i really only used to stick to the basics as it was mainly used for gaming when i first got it years ago! the only kid in class (maybe entire school) with an a1200 and a500 at the time whilst everyone else had the megadrive

Maybe they did not want any auto features in workbench so that we can have total control over our systems

unlike the mac which takes control over everything and then theres windows *ahem* vista

its like a well behaved but at the same time annoying kid asking for your permission everytime you click on something! (then half the time you get told NO by the comp!).

Hopefully windows 7 will benefit from all previous mistakes and annoyances found in vista etc... I will stick with XP for now although i do miss good old win 95 with its dos support.

TCD · 17 January 2009, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerPie5000

Hopefully windows 7 will benefit from all previous mistakes and annoyances found in vista etc... I will stick with XP for now although i do miss good old win 95 with its dos support.

You should try the new DosBox 0.72

The speed increase is really good and makes some 'newer' Dos games really playable now

PowerPie5000 · 17 January 2009, 23:08

Yeah ive got it and its great! although not perfect , at least i can get sound and play with different graphics filters in old dos games! windows xp, vista etc usually breaks down in a puddle of tears when it comes to anything dos related

Scummvm is also great for those classic lucasarts games, it even runs the miggy versions of monkey island and loom etc with extra settings

do you know if they have added full support for multiple cores in dosbox yet? its fine on my old P4 system but can be a bit iffy with my core 2?

TCD · 17 January 2009, 23:12

Yeah ScummVM is great for all LA games (including the Amiga versions

). I prefer it for those games supported to DosBox, but DosBox really is mature when it comes to emulate Dos games with the 0.7x versions

Haven't encountered a Dos game yet that isn't playable with DosBox (but of course there are some

)

PowerPie5000 · 17 January 2009, 23:18

I usually have major issues running blood and daggerfall for some reason with dosbox, the mouse starts to lag a bit and the game goes out of sync with stuttery sound! but other than that its been great.

I always tweak around with the cpu cycles, sound emulation and graphics filters until i think its perfect

and i agree that scummvm is better suited for lucasarts games over dosbox (also easier to use in my opinion).

17 January 2009, 21:09	#1
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,566	WorkBench 3.0 not showing all drawers/folders?? Ive recently started going through a load of old disks with various utils and games on them to see which ones can be installed to the hard drive. Ive installed a few things which work fine but ive noticed that some things such as deluxe paint when installed cannot be found unless i use the "window - show - all files" function in workbench 3.0 By default WB 3.0 is set to "window - show - only icons" which has never been a problem as it will show all my drawers/folders and anything else ive installed on the hard drive, but theres a few things i cannot find when installed until i have the show all option enabled. Its not a big problem but it resets back to the "show - only icons" when the amiga is restarted which then hides some of my drawers/folders!? I dont understand why it does this? i mean they have the same drawer icon as the rest of my installed software and its all installed on the same drive but the same things disappear next time i load workbench unless i use show - all files. Can anyone help me with this please? its not something ive noticed in the past thanks!

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17 January 2009, 21:17	#2
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	Hi PowerPie5000, if you select 'Snapshot -> All' from the menu after you selected 'Show All Files' it will be stored and the next time you should see all files again

17 January 2009, 21:18	#3
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	After clicking show all files.....click snapshot then all...next time they will all be visible.

17 January 2009, 21:19	#4
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	Druid beat me to it

17 January 2009, 21:27	#5
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,566	ahh! so thats what snapshot is for! ive never used it and never found out what it was for and have icons and folders scattered everywhere! so i should be able to clean up all directories then use snapshot and it will al stay the same next time i boot? Im still not sure why certain folders dont show as they seem the same as the others (just a directory with files in them and a drawer icon) Thanks for the help, much appreciated!

17 January 2009, 21:36	#6
DoogUK Doogster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dorset Posts: 1,069	Yep, after a cleanup and a snapshot all drwers and files remain neat.

17 January 2009, 21:43	#8
meega Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oooh what a feeling yeaaah dancing on the ceiling Posts: 314	If a drawer/file does not show up when you are showing only icons then that is because that drawer/file does not have an icon. They look the same provided the default icons are the same as the ones that you can see when showing only icons (which is normally true in Workbench 2.0+). If the real icons are different (e.g. from WB1.3, or off a PD disk, etc.) then they will look different to the ones that are supplied with a default icon by the system when you choose show all... I trust that helps further. (Also, play with IconEdit.)

17 January 2009, 21:53	#9
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	I've always wondered why there even was a clean-up option in the first place. Icons should rearrange automatically.

17 January 2009, 21:56	#11
meega Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oooh what a feeling yeaaah dancing on the ceiling Posts: 314	Play with IconEdit.

17 January 2009, 22:02	#13
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	Weird... maybe they should add an 'obscured' view option in Windows 7

17 January 2009, 22:03	#14
meega Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oooh what a feeling yeaaah dancing on the ceiling Posts: 314	If you snapshot a window at a given size, and then you resize that window, then clean it up, the icons will get rearranged to fit in nice rows/columns within the new window size.

17 January 2009, 22:06	#15
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	@ppill Yeah, a shuffle icons option would be cool (for the very bored ) "Now, where is my Powerpoint shortcut today. Hmm..."

17 January 2009, 23:01	#16
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,566	Yeah i think i will go through everything the amiga os has to offer, i really only used to stick to the basics as it was mainly used for gaming when i first got it years ago! the only kid in class (maybe entire school) with an a1200 and a500 at the time whilst everyone else had the megadrive Maybe they did not want any auto features in workbench so that we can have total control over our systems unlike the mac which takes control over everything and then theres windows ahem vista its like a well behaved but at the same time annoying kid asking for your permission everytime you click on something! (then half the time you get told NO by the comp!). Hopefully windows 7 will benefit from all previous mistakes and annoyances found in vista etc... I will stick with XP for now although i do miss good old win 95 with its dos support.

17 January 2009, 23:08	#18
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,566	Yeah ive got it and its great! although not perfect , at least i can get sound and play with different graphics filters in old dos games! windows xp, vista etc usually breaks down in a puddle of tears when it comes to anything dos related Scummvm is also great for those classic lucasarts games, it even runs the miggy versions of monkey island and loom etc with extra settings do you know if they have added full support for multiple cores in dosbox yet? its fine on my old P4 system but can be a bit iffy with my core 2?

17 January 2009, 23:12	#19
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	Yeah ScummVM is great for all LA games (including the Amiga versions ). I prefer it for those games supported to DosBox, but DosBox really is mature when it comes to emulate Dos games with the 0.7x versions Haven't encountered a Dos game yet that isn't playable with DosBox (but of course there are some )

17 January 2009, 23:18	#20
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,566	I usually have major issues running blood and daggerfall for some reason with dosbox, the mouse starts to lag a bit and the game goes out of sync with stuttery sound! but other than that its been great. I always tweak around with the cpu cycles, sound emulation and graphics filters until i think its perfect and i agree that scummvm is better suited for lucasarts games over dosbox (also easier to use in my opinion).

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