Searching for Strider WITHOUT graphic glitches

Konrad · 18 June 2002, 16:56

I got a version of strider, but it has too many errors. So I searched the net for another version, but I wasn't successful.

Has someone a fully working copy of this game, and is willing to post it in the zone or send it to me ?

Thanks

Amiga1992 · 19 June 2002, 02:54

Yeah, I wonder why they always blame the image and not the emulator! It's damned HARD to make a bad image, in most cases images are not to be blamed.

Unless you tried it out on a real Amiga. Which I think you didn´t.

Konrad · 19 June 2002, 19:29

I DID try it on my Amiga. And it has the same graphic glitches.
Parallel to this I tried it with WinUAE 08.21.r4 and 08.14.r3.
I also tried WinFELLOW a minute ago.

Besides: I use WinUAE and WinFELLOW since the first versions came out. I am new to this forum but I'm already many years in the amiga community. It was my first computer. Believe me, after all these years I know how emulator faults and REAL graphic glitches from the Amiga look like.

So please take a look at the picture. I hope the someone will be willing to help me out. I don't want to sound rude or something. If I do, the I'm sorry.

Amiga1992 · 20 June 2002, 04:15

I didn't mean to sound rude myself, I am very sorry.

It would help if you gave us your Amiga's configuration, and which crack you have.

Looks to me like a chipset or kickstart incompatibility problem, but it might be a shoddy crack.

Konrad · 20 June 2002, 09:28

Hey, thanks for your quick answer.
At the beginning you have a trilogy traner. With F1 and F2 you can choose unlimited lives and energy. After this a sreen from Vision factory comes up.
So, seems to me that the game has been cracked by Vision Factory and trained by Trilogy.

I have an Amiga 4000,16Mb,CVision3D.I rekicked it with a Kickstart 1.3. Didn't have any problems with that until now. I have to do this because my A500 isn't connected at the moment.

Walker · 20 June 2002, 10:53

I tried the same crack and got the same gfx errors. Looks like we need another version of this game....

Codetapper · 20 June 2002, 12:38

Chances are if it doesn't work on your A4000 it's because of a combination of missing blitter waits and your A4000's speed and caches.

If a game doesn't work properly, it's best to search for the game on the WHDLoad or JST sites as the readme's often explain what was fixed in the game. From the JST fix (I can't believe there is no WHDLoad version - I might fix this problem soon!) Ralf says that there were missing blitter waits, which is almost certainly why the graphics look all screwed up like that.

Konrad · 20 June 2002, 12:47

Yeah, that surely is right. But I had the same Problems with WinUAE and WinFellow. I have multiple configs, also one for an AMIGA 500, and it still has these graphic problems.

Toni Wilen · 20 June 2002, 14:46

WinUAE's blitter emulation isn't 100% correct. Other DMA channels do not steal blitter cycles and CPU isn't slowed down if blitter is not in "nasty"-mode.

I am currently re-writing blitter emulation. Copper, sprite and bitplane DMA are now slowing down blitter correctly, but slowing down CPU correctly isn't easy (and it will cause huge emulator slow down too..) I added some approximate delays that helps some programs, for example Enigma-demo's text-screens. (I know this is totally stupid fix but...)

Codetapper · 20 June 2002, 15:35

I've made a WHDLoad version of Strider now - I found 6 blitter waits missing along with empty loops (which cause the keyboard to not work and the music/samples to play too quickly) so once I get the icons sorted out (Akira: Feel free to make me some if you want!) I'll upload it here...

Walker · 20 June 2002, 16:18

Excellent work mate!

* loading screenshot gun *

Konrad · 20 June 2002, 17:05

@Codetapper
Now, that is fast. Seems so easy to write a port for WHDLoad when I read your posts, but I doubt it ;-). Excellent. Will it work with the cracked strider version I described above ?

andreas · 20 June 2002, 21:14

Quote:

Copper, sprite and bitplane DMA are now slowing down blitter correctly, but slowing down CPU correctly isn't easy

I'd believe this without having doubts, but will this also imply correct CPU slowdowns, i. e. correct speed with some games?
(For example, Shinobi plays about 10-15% too fast. To anyone else: if you doubt what I'm stating, please test it on a REAL Amiga [A500 is best choice] before contradicting.)

Codetapper · 21 June 2002, 02:45

Quote:

Originally posted by MartinMerten
@Codetapper
Now, that is fast. Seems so easy to write a port for WHDLoad when I read your posts, but I doubt it ;-). Excellent. Will it work with the cracked strider version I described above ?

I have one version of Strider, cracked by Vision Factory and with a trainer on the bootblock. Is this the only version out? The original is MFM and vision factory packed it back to files. I will have a look - are there any more cracks out there of this game?

Twistin'Ghost · 21 June 2002, 13:15

TOSEC has several:
Strider (1989)(U. S. Gold)[cr VF]
Strider (1989)(U. S. Gold)[cr VF][a]
Strider (1989)(U. S. Gold)[cr VF][t +2 Trilogy]
Strider (1989)(U. S. Gold)[cr VF][t +2 Trilogy][a]
Strider (1989)(U. S. Gold)[cr VF][t +3 DDC]

plus I have an untrained alt of the VF crack that is non-TOSEC (same gfx glitches on it...)

Amiga1992 · 22 June 2002, 04:19

Codetapper strikes again! Don't you love this board, MartinMerten?

Dunno if you got my mail Codey, so I'll repeat my words: midterm break is nigh so i'll sit my arse then and do lots of icons

Cheers!

Konrad · 22 June 2002, 13:19

You are right. I love this board and appreciate the work of you all. :tup: So much work just for one game. I LOVE the amiga community

Codetapper · 23 June 2002, 00:26

OK lads, Strider is in the zone. Hopefully will work on all Amiga's...

I haven't supported the crack this time as it was going to be quite a messy job - would need a subdir for files, more complex installer script, the crack seems to be a pre-release or at least a different version to the 2 originals I was sent... Addresses all through the game are different and add to the fact that there are about 4-5 TOSEC versions and I honestly can't be bothered. If it was on BTTR I would consider it but US Gold haven't given permission for their games to go up afaik...

However the full game is in the Zone so have a leech while you can get it!

Amiga1992 · 23 June 2002, 05:02

And I just made a nice icon for it, which I just sent to Codetapper

As soon as he gets it and updates the package, I'll post it here so you download it.

Konrad · 23 June 2002, 19:23

Hey wow, thanks for your work. Now I really can enjoy this game again. I wish I would be so talented to make HDInstalls on my own.

Hoy did you learn that codetapper ? Are there any tutorials ? Is it necessary to have knowledge in assembler programming ?

18 June 2002, 16:56	#1
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	Searching for Strider WITHOUT graphic glitches I got a version of strider, but it has too many errors. So I searched the net for another version, but I wasn't successful. Has someone a fully working copy of this game, and is willing to post it in the zone or send it to me ? Thanks

19 June 2002, 19:29	#3
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	I DID try it on my Amiga. And it has the same graphic glitches. Parallel to this I tried it with WinUAE 08.21.r4 and 08.14.r3. I also tried WinFELLOW a minute ago. Besides: I use WinUAE and WinFELLOW since the first versions came out. I am new to this forum but I'm already many years in the amiga community. It was my first computer. Believe me, after all these years I know how emulator faults and REAL graphic glitches from the Amiga look like. So please take a look at the picture. I hope the someone will be willing to help me out. I don't want to sound rude or something. If I do, the I'm sorry. Attached Thumbnails

20 June 2002, 12:38	#7
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,182	Strider not working on A4000 Chances are if it doesn't work on your A4000 it's because of a combination of missing blitter waits and your A4000's speed and caches. If a game doesn't work properly, it's best to search for the game on the WHDLoad or JST sites as the readme's often explain what was fixed in the game. From the JST fix (I can't believe there is no WHDLoad version - I might fix this problem soon!) Ralf says that there were missing blitter waits, which is almost certainly why the graphics look all screwed up like that.

20 June 2002, 15:35	#10
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,182	Strider bugs fixed I've made a WHDLoad version of Strider now - I found 6 blitter waits missing along with empty loops (which cause the keyboard to not work and the music/samples to play too quickly) so once I get the icons sorted out (Akira: Feel free to make me some if you want!) I'll upload it here...

23 June 2002, 00:26	#18
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,182	Strider WHDLoad in the zone OK lads, Strider is in the zone. Hopefully will work on all Amiga's... I haven't supported the crack this time as it was going to be quite a messy job - would need a subdir for files, more complex installer script, the crack seems to be a pre-release or at least a different version to the 2 originals I was sent... Addresses all through the game are different and add to the fact that there are about 4-5 TOSEC versions and I honestly can't be bothered. If it was on BTTR I would consider it but US Gold haven't given permission for their games to go up afaik... However the full game is in the Zone so have a leech while you can get it!

19 June 2002, 02:54	#2
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Yeah, I wonder why they always blame the image and not the emulator! It's damned HARD to make a bad image, in most cases images are not to be blamed. Unless you tried it out on a real Amiga. Which I think you didn´t.

20 June 2002, 04:15	#4
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	I didn't mean to sound rude myself, I am very sorry. It would help if you gave us your Amiga's configuration, and which crack you have. Looks to me like a chipset or kickstart incompatibility problem, but it might be a shoddy crack.

20 June 2002, 09:28	#5
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	Hey, thanks for your quick answer. At the beginning you have a trilogy traner. With F1 and F2 you can choose unlimited lives and energy. After this a sreen from Vision factory comes up. So, seems to me that the game has been cracked by Vision Factory and trained by Trilogy. I have an Amiga 4000,16Mb,CVision3D.I rekicked it with a Kickstart 1.3. Didn't have any problems with that until now. I have to do this because my A500 isn't connected at the moment.

20 June 2002, 10:53	#6
Walker Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 51 Posts: 595	I tried the same crack and got the same gfx errors. Looks like we need another version of this game....

20 June 2002, 12:47	#8
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	Yeah, that surely is right. But I had the same Problems with WinUAE and WinFellow. I have multiple configs, also one for an AMIGA 500, and it still has these graphic problems.

20 June 2002, 14:46	#9
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	WinUAE's blitter emulation isn't 100% correct. Other DMA channels do not steal blitter cycles and CPU isn't slowed down if blitter is not in "nasty"-mode. I am currently re-writing blitter emulation. Copper, sprite and bitplane DMA are now slowing down blitter correctly, but slowing down CPU correctly isn't easy (and it will cause huge emulator slow down too..) I added some approximate delays that helps some programs, for example Enigma-demo's text-screens. (I know this is totally stupid fix but...)

20 June 2002, 16:18	#11
Walker Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 51 Posts: 595	Excellent work mate! * loading screenshot gun *

20 June 2002, 17:05	#12
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	@Codetapper Now, that is fast. Seems so easy to write a port for WHDLoad when I read your posts, but I doubt it ;-). Excellent. Will it work with the cracked strider version I described above ?

21 June 2002, 13:15	#15
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	TOSEC has several: Strider (1989)(U. S. Gold)[cr VF] Strider (1989)(U. S. Gold)[cr VF][a] Strider (1989)(U. S. Gold)[cr VF][t +2 Trilogy] Strider (1989)(U. S. Gold)[cr VF][t +2 Trilogy][a] Strider (1989)(U. S. Gold)[cr VF][t +3 DDC] plus I have an untrained alt of the VF crack that is non-TOSEC (same gfx glitches on it...)

22 June 2002, 04:19	#16
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Codetapper strikes again! Don't you love this board, MartinMerten? Dunno if you got my mail Codey, so I'll repeat my words: midterm break is nigh so i'll sit my arse then and do lots of icons Cheers!

22 June 2002, 13:19	#17
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	You are right. I love this board and appreciate the work of you all. :tup: So much work just for one game. I LOVE the amiga community

23 June 2002, 05:02	#19
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	And I just made a nice icon for it, which I just sent to Codetapper As soon as he gets it and updates the package, I'll post it here so you download it.

23 June 2002, 19:23	#20
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	Hey wow, thanks for your work. Now I really can enjoy this game again. I wish I would be so talented to make HDInstalls on my own. Hoy did you learn that codetapper ? Are there any tutorials ? Is it necessary to have knowledge in assembler programming ?

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