[Fixed] Abandoned Places 2 error

fiath · 16 December 2002, 00:53

Guys!

Damn it, you should have made at least AP2 info correct!

Black Pearl? Who is that? The cracker?

Abandoned Places 2 is by (almost) exactly the same team as Abandoned Places - i.e. ArtGame.

The founder of C.A.P.S. should know - he wrote the thing!

("Steve" Fabian)

CodyJarrett · 16 December 2002, 00:55

Changed!

fiath · 16 December 2002, 00:58

Wow, that was quick!

fiath · 16 December 2002, 00:59

Another thing:

The games (AP & AP2) are not ECS, they are strictly OCS, but both can detect extra memory and use it well. e.g. if you have extra memory at $c00000 the games shift down gfx data when needed, but if they are in chipram they are directly used (unless compressed as in AP2) etc.

Also the outer world, cities, trading, encounters, story cinematics at key points of the game etc are quite nicely done in AP1, I only see pictures from the first few *seconds* of the game.

Anyway...

CodyJarrett · 16 December 2002, 01:14

Changed to OCS...

I'll check out the screens next!

CodyJarrett · 16 December 2002, 01:21

BTW, it's not possible for us to play every game all the way through to get all the best shots!

Therefore, many games will have shots from the first sections of gameplay.

jmmijo · 16 December 2002, 01:21

This is fantastic, looks like the H.O.L. gets an almost real-time update

fiath · 16 December 2002, 01:36

I know

, it was just a message from István...

CodyJarrett · 16 December 2002, 01:39

Can you ask him if AB 1&2 were Amiga originals e.g. if they originated solely on the Amiga?

fiath · 16 December 2002, 02:44

No there were PC version AFAIK but were not released by ArtGame. Please wait though until I get a reply...

Twistin'Ghost · 16 December 2002, 03:13

Quote:

Originally posted by fiath
Another thing:

The games (AP & AP2) are not ECS, they are strictly OCS, but both can detect extra memory and use it well. e.g. if you have extra memory at $c00000 the games shift down gfx data when needed, but if they are in chipram they are directly used (unless compressed as in AP2) etc.

Do the games support/use 1-meg chipram? If so, that is only available on ECS+ class machines...

fiath · 16 December 2002, 09:41

Quote:

Originally posted by CodyJarrett
Can you ask him if AB 1&2 were Amiga originals e.g. if they originated solely on the Amiga?

From István:

Yes they were developed on the Amiga without any fancy hw or
cross-development systems like snasm or psy-q.
AP1 did have a pc port (quite lame compared to the original), and there was
an ST port planned, but cancelled by yours, IF

AP2 did not have any ports, since we finally fell out with the publisher for
good.
For more info just read the AP2 history excerpts on our site.

CodyJarrett · 16 December 2002, 09:49

Hurray! Both AB games listed as Amiga originals.

I'll add some more AB2 screens.

fiath · 16 December 2002, 16:23

Quote:

Originally posted by Twistin'Ghost
Do the games support/use 1-meg chipram? If so, that is only available on ECS+ class machines...

From IF:

"Yes they do.
But an ECS game means ECS is required in order to run, which is not true, since they were designed to run properly on OCS and take advantage of whatever features available. This is quite a difference. They are OCS damnit - please don't try to tell me how they work

"

Twistin'Ghost · 16 December 2002, 18:27

I guess there is a communication gap between the HOL classification of ECS and some other people. Hopefully this can be detailed in a future update of HOL.

For clarification, I will reiterate what I stated in IRC: the ECS class used in HOL is a generalisation of the class spec the game was aimed at. Since AB supports features of ECS (such as 1-meg), then it SUPPORTS features of that class. Hence ECS. As opposed to some old 1988 ST port that croaks at the presence of real fastmem or 1meg chip (or even fakefast mem), which takes no consideration towards any class machine other than, say stock OCS A500.

fiath · 16 December 2002, 18:33

What about the people with a plain 'ol A500 that want to know if a game works on it? I guess it depends on which direction you are looking at.

Games now usually have a "minimum requirements" and a "recommended"... Not that helps you any!

Surely "aimed at" is what the game was designed for? AP 1&2 was "designed for" OCS but with some extra bits.

I guess this is one of the situations where having one field for describing more than one thing gets complicated.

Anyway, keep István happy.

I have been going through HOL lately - very very nice! An invaluable resource!

Twistin'Ghost · 16 December 2002, 19:19

We have an ECS/AGA hardware category (for games that support either/both). Perhaps we need OCS/ECS, as well?

RCK · 16 December 2002, 19:37

or multiple linkable information for hardware...

Twistin'Ghost · 16 December 2002, 20:34

Yes, excellent idea! Would also serve the AmigaCD issue (ECS, AGA, etc.)

RCK · 16 December 2002, 20:40

haha :disgusted
do you want irc log about this discussion ?

16 December 2002, 00:53	#1
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	Abandoned Places 2 error Guys! Damn it, you should have made at least AP2 info correct! Black Pearl? Who is that? The cracker? Abandoned Places 2 is by (almost) exactly the same team as Abandoned Places - i.e. ArtGame. The founder of C.A.P.S. should know - he wrote the thing! ("Steve" Fabian)

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16 December 2002, 00:55	#2
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	Changed!

16 December 2002, 00:58	#3
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	Wow, that was quick!

16 December 2002, 00:59	#4
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	Another thing: The games (AP & AP2) are not ECS, they are strictly OCS, but both can detect extra memory and use it well. e.g. if you have extra memory at $c00000 the games shift down gfx data when needed, but if they are in chipram they are directly used (unless compressed as in AP2) etc. Also the outer world, cities, trading, encounters, story cinematics at key points of the game etc are quite nicely done in AP1, I only see pictures from the first few seconds of the game. Anyway...

16 December 2002, 01:14	#5
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	Changed to OCS... I'll check out the screens next!

16 December 2002, 01:21	#6
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	BTW, it's not possible for us to play every game all the way through to get all the best shots! Therefore, many games will have shots from the first sections of gameplay.

16 December 2002, 01:21	#7
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 62 Posts: 2,395	This is fantastic, looks like the H.O.L. gets an almost real-time update

16 December 2002, 01:36	#8
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	I know , it was just a message from István...

16 December 2002, 01:39	#9
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	Can you ask him if AB 1&2 were Amiga originals e.g. if they originated solely on the Amiga?

16 December 2002, 02:44	#10
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	No there were PC version AFAIK but were not released by ArtGame. Please wait though until I get a reply...

16 December 2002, 09:49	#13
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,160	Hurray! Both AB games listed as Amiga originals. I'll add some more AB2 screens.

16 December 2002, 18:27	#15
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	I guess there is a communication gap between the HOL classification of ECS and some other people. Hopefully this can be detailed in a future update of HOL. For clarification, I will reiterate what I stated in IRC: the ECS class used in HOL is a generalisation of the class spec the game was aimed at. Since AB supports features of ECS (such as 1-meg), then it SUPPORTS features of that class. Hence ECS. As opposed to some old 1988 ST port that croaks at the presence of real fastmem or 1meg chip (or even fakefast mem), which takes no consideration towards any class machine other than, say stock OCS A500.

16 December 2002, 18:33	#16
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	What about the people with a plain 'ol A500 that want to know if a game works on it? I guess it depends on which direction you are looking at. Games now usually have a "minimum requirements" and a "recommended"... Not that helps you any! Surely "aimed at" is what the game was designed for? AP 1&2 was "designed for" OCS but with some extra bits. I guess this is one of the situations where having one field for describing more than one thing gets complicated. Anyway, keep István happy. I have been going through HOL lately - very very nice! An invaluable resource!

16 December 2002, 19:19	#17
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	We have an ECS/AGA hardware category (for games that support either/both). Perhaps we need OCS/ECS, as well?

16 December 2002, 19:37	#18
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,084	or multiple linkable information for hardware...

16 December 2002, 20:34	#19
Twistin'Ghost Give up the ghost Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: U$A Age: 33 Posts: 4,662	Yes, excellent idea! Would also serve the AmigaCD issue (ECS, AGA, etc.)

16 December 2002, 20:40	#20
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,084	haha :disgusted do you want irc log about this discussion ?

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