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AmigaOne - Pegasos - Shark PPC
No OS 4, no MorphOS. Nothing. When the hell will I be able to get my hands on some of this stuff? All I hear is more and more talk and product hyping, but nothing appears to be available.
I feel as though these companies are taking orders first to see what the response is before they even place their orders to produce these things. I have Mac OS X as my main development platform and was looking for another alternative OS to do some work on in parallel, but looks like it may have to be Linux if I don't see something soon. |
18 September 2002, 18:35 | #2 |
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I think these ompanies are taking the piss out of poor supporters like you, Oscar.
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18 September 2002, 20:29 | #3 |
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These companies suck. I want to develop apps under OS 4 or even MorphOS, but if I cannot do so, I thought I'd just stick with Linux.
I thought about programming for the native Amiga, but thought that manuals and information would be hard to come by. Although the NDK from Amiga inc may have all I really need. I need to print it all out to make sure. Luckily I work in an industry that has commercial Xerox and Oce' printers. 135 ppm and 266 ppm machines. |
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I just said how I feel about Amiga Inc. after all these years. I wil admit I exagerated and put everyone in the same sack! I shouldn't be saying nothing about the guys who make the Pegasos (which I like), or the others. Don't get mad Korodny |
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I don't usually agree on Korodny's views on new amiga hardware, especially on AmigaOne but there is a fact that Pegasos, or SharkPPC do not owe anyone anything, especially to those who bitch only for not being able to see the picture of the board. When nVidia develops a graphic board and names it GeForceMX 4 and if that board is as slow as previous year's GeForce 2 GTS that has half the ram, is that ok because they publish it professionally with photos and all?
I bash Amiga Inc mercilessly for they don't seem to succeed in their responsibility to represent the community and the name "Amiga" officially. But Elbox doesn't deny that they are just an euro-geek (whatever it is) company and they have been working a lot and risking a lot to present an AmigaOne alternative, in my opinion an alternative that has more Amiga essence in it. Pegasos is a completely different machine, not strictly amiga but again free people are designing and manufacturing it! PPC is old true, but what is the alternative? x86? I don't think so. If those machines fail, their creators will fail. We currently have no pegasos or sharkppc yet we're having fun wandering around an Amiga forum. |
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It's either AmigaOne+OS4 or no OS4 at all. It's that easy. Amiga Inc. uses the licensing fees from Eyetech (AmigaOne) to pay for the OS development. No AmigaOne - no OS4. And before you start another boring rant about how PPC hardware sucks, please explain me why you're using a Mac? You're just a whiner, that's it. And I pretty much have to agree with Burseg here: I'm not defending Amiga Inc. but clueless wannabees attacking "these companies" (Hyperion, Eyetech, Elbox) really annoy me. |
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1) No Amiga name attached to it. So no hard feelings and whining like "WHYDAFEG DOSNAE PLAY TURRICANE DREI?" 2) Firewire baby! This will be AWESOME for video developers like us. I hope Mediapoint RTG supports the firewire port! Just me two pence |
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For those who say that the PPC architecture is dying... that is quite possibly true. Nothing stays still for long. Intel are killing off the old x86 platform in favour of a new 64 bit processor series, incompatible with the x86 line. It should come as no great surprise to anybody. But until that technology appears at a reasonable price, it won't filter to the home desktop, and companies will keep producing for the mass market for the time being. If we wait to buy software for a platform that will never become obsolete... we're in for a long wait.
As to something being "Amiga hardware". Surely, the people who own the name, the patents and copyrights are entitled to call it an Amiga? Do you notice people saying that a Ford Escort isn't a Ford Escort because it bears no resemblence to the original 1960s version? Oh come on guys, that isn't how the world works. All this bickering and name calling sucks! |
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Why do anyone who liked the original ford escort should feel the need to buy, support or like the new ford escort? Because the name is ford escort? Well they might like it, as I may like pegasos but there is no such obligation (as I don't like A1).
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I totally agree with you Bursreg. While the two cars are totally different, they share the same name. This should in no way obligate people to continue buying them. What I was pointing out was the fact that it is a totally accepted practice in the motor industry. Nobody says that Ford etc are wrong in doing it... people just see it and get on with life. Why market a new brand name, when you can update the old one that has market recognition?
Too many people want time to stand still, or even worse... they want something new and better, but with everything old thrown in as well. Mentioning no names Akira! |
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Re AmigaOS being tied to a specific hardware. AmigaOne and OS4 were always going to be transitional. Compatibility had to be ensured for the existing PPC (603/4) Amiga cards. I have read nothing that says AmigaOS will forever use PPC.
I thought the ultimate plan was for the OS to merge with the DE and become scalable and platform-agnostic, using Tao's virtual processor technology. This is where Amiga-powered mobile phones start to make sense - digital convergence, with Amiga content on all the various devices. |
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I don't say that somebody should buy the AmigaOne just because it's labeled Amiga - that would be stupid. I just think that comments like the one from Akira are childish. @Akira: Quote:
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Maybe you're confusing it with Motionstudio? That's a non-linear DV editing suite. This one has Firewire support of course. Of course OS4 will support Firewire too. On your sound card, your ATI all-in-wonder, on a seperate PCI card or whereever else a FireWire port is included these days... |
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Well, maybe they won't be available next week (or next year, for that matter)? No matter how you twist it, Apple does suck as much as Amiga/Hyperion/Eyetech (both want to sell you PPC based computers right now) and you are as stupid as me (as we bought such a computer). |
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VHS sucks, but DV rocks, so if MSRTG supports DV, I could get KICKASS presentations NO other program can deliver! See my point? |
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