King's Quest IV gets stuck in the middle of the game

andreas · 06 January 2007, 04:42

You can make Rosella jump 2 times to the west, then the night closes in: you get a beautiful "night" picture, captioned with "Darkness enfolds you", then the crown icon appears and there is no key possible to press, except for the right mouse button (menu).
Seems that the game tried to load something which it couldn't; hence loading of disk 3 gets stuck tight at track 14. It would be possible that it's a floppy emulation problem, as it DOES occur with the IPFs too.

It will be "quite" an effort to test this on real thing for me with no HD, as I will be required to transfer FOUR disks (3 game disks [4th is not needed at this stage] + save disk).

So could anyone please retest this on the miggy whether it works beyond this point? I'm fairly sure it will, as the disks ARE OK. Save-game disk is in the zone.
Thanks.

[edit] made a HD install with the original IPF disks - same problem!

PiCiJi · 06 January 2007, 15:40

sorry offtopic:

why you don't wait for the remake in the look of KQ5 or 6. I have played the remakes of KQ 1 - 3. I really hate the look of the original KQ 1 - 4.

andreas · 06 January 2007, 17:31

Blatant offtopic attempt.

I want the screenshots for HOL! Whether I'd like to play the remake instead, is another story

Tweeky · 06 January 2007, 19:54

while working on my King's Quest scans for HOL, i saw your posting and installed my original disks on HD on my Amiga 1200 and used your save disk. i have exactly the same problem "darkness enfolds you" with the crown icon. playing from disk is the same.
maybe a bug in the game?

andreas · 06 January 2007, 19:59

Thanks for doing that!

Yeah...Toni is about to suspect that too ... could be a bug in the game. Or maybe it was me who introduced that bug because I used save-state before, then shortly before that scene, I switched to "real" save-games, i. e. a disk?
I'm about to believe that, because saving a game in an "unstable" state of the game may lead to unpredictable results! And save-state really is not that stable yet, see also current sound issues when restoring a state (sorry Toni

)

Moreover: I installed the game from IPFs to a virtual HD (directory on Windows partition) using the installer on disk 1 and when restoring the save game, I noticed major sound screeching noise!
Could be an audio problem which I introduced by repeatedly saving and restoring from state files!

It will require "some" time, but it may be worth the trouble ... as there is nothing more annoying than an adventure game stuck right in the middle...

So I'll refrain from using save-states this time. Promised.

fisken uno · 07 January 2007, 01:35

This happened to me as well when I played thru KQ4 recently. It turns out that if I carry out the small quests in a different order (not ending with the one where you get the magic fruit for Rosella's father) the game does NOT freeze at the "darkness enfolds you" screen. So yes I guess it's a bug in the game.

Btw I DID play the game with WinUAE though, but could complete it successfully.

andreas · 07 January 2007, 14:01

Thanks!!
That's the best hint I've got so far!

So you're saying the order does matter...will try that thanks!

02 February 2007, 10:16

I actually had the exact same problem when I tried to play it on my A500 back in the day so it's definitely not a WinUAE bug.

killergorilla · 02 February 2007, 10:31

What's wrong with the 116 screenshots Belgarath added to HOL recently?

Paul · 02 February 2007, 11:09

As this is not a WinUAE bug.....thread moved to prb.games

andreas · 02 February 2007, 23:26

Thanks for the (reasonable) move Paul.-

Yes, Belgarath had to "reverse-engineer" the problem too when doing the shots; it's simple: do not even think of collecting the scarab BEFORE you have collected the fruit - this is likely to confuse the game completely.

amigappc · 19 October 2021, 21:59

15 years later, I say "f..k Facebook, long live forums!"

I have exact the same problem playing the game form HD install (not WHDLOAD) on real Amiga 1200.

Searching on Google I found this thread, and I will try your solution to get the fruit first, than visit the witches.

Thank you.

amigappc · 20 October 2021, 15:53

I confirm this hint works. If you take fruit then scarab, night falls later so you do not stuck when that message appears.

Great hint guys!

butfluffy · 21 October 2021, 17:36

reminds of some bugs in bethesda games like fallout 4 etc.
there are issues if you don't do some sidequests in a certain order. like events not triggering.

06 January 2007, 04:42	#1
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	King's Quest IV gets stuck in the middle of the game You can make Rosella jump 2 times to the west, then the night closes in: you get a beautiful "night" picture, captioned with "Darkness enfolds you", then the crown icon appears and there is no key possible to press, except for the right mouse button (menu). Seems that the game tried to load something which it couldn't; hence loading of disk 3 gets stuck tight at track 14. It would be possible that it's a floppy emulation problem, as it DOES occur with the IPFs too. It will be "quite" an effort to test this on real thing for me with no HD, as I will be required to transfer FOUR disks (3 game disks [4th is not needed at this stage] + save disk). So could anyone please retest this on the miggy whether it works beyond this point? I'm fairly sure it will, as the disks ARE OK. Save-game disk is in the zone. Thanks. [edit] made a HD install with the original IPF disks - same problem! Last edited by andreas; 07 January 2007 at 14:01.

06 January 2007, 17:31	#3
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Blatant offtopic attempt. I want the screenshots for HOL! Whether I'd like to play the remake instead, is another story Last edited by andreas; 26 September 2007 at 21:45.

06 January 2007, 19:59	#5
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Thanks for doing that! Yeah...Toni is about to suspect that too ... could be a bug in the game. Or maybe it was me who introduced that bug because I used save-state before, then shortly before that scene, I switched to "real" save-games, i. e. a disk? I'm about to believe that, because saving a game in an "unstable" state of the game may lead to unpredictable results! And save-state really is not that stable yet, see also current sound issues when restoring a state (sorry Toni ) Moreover: I installed the game from IPFs to a virtual HD (directory on Windows partition) using the installer on disk 1 and when restoring the save game, I noticed major sound screeching noise! Could be an audio problem which I introduced by repeatedly saving and restoring from state files! It will require "some" time, but it may be worth the trouble ... as there is nothing more annoying than an adventure game stuck right in the middle... So I'll refrain from using save-states this time. Promised. Last edited by andreas; 06 January 2007 at 20:10.

02 February 2007, 23:26	#11
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Thanks for the (reasonable) move Paul.- Yes, Belgarath had to "reverse-engineer" the problem too when doing the shots; it's simple: do not even think of collecting the scarab BEFORE you have collected the fruit - this is likely to confuse the game completely. Last edited by andreas; 02 February 2007 at 23:31.

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06 January 2007, 15:40	#2
PiCiJi Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: germany Age: 45 Posts: 403	sorry offtopic: why you don't wait for the remake in the look of KQ5 or 6. I have played the remakes of KQ 1 - 3. I really hate the look of the original KQ 1 - 4.

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Tweeky Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 308	while working on my King's Quest scans for HOL, i saw your posting and installed my original disks on HD on my Amiga 1200 and used your save disk. i have exactly the same problem "darkness enfolds you" with the crown icon. playing from disk is the same. maybe a bug in the game?

07 January 2007, 01:35	#6
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	This happened to me as well when I played thru KQ4 recently. It turns out that if I carry out the small quests in a different order (not ending with the one where you get the magic fruit for Rosella's father) the game does NOT freeze at the "darkness enfolds you" screen. So yes I guess it's a bug in the game. Btw I DID play the game with WinUAE though, but could complete it successfully.

07 January 2007, 14:01	#7
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Thanks!! That's the best hint I've got so far! So you're saying the order does matter...will try that thanks!

02 February 2007, 10:16	#8
Gooberslot Posts: n/a	I actually had the exact same problem when I tried to play it on my A500 back in the day so it's definitely not a WinUAE bug.

02 February 2007, 10:31	#9
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	What's wrong with the 116 screenshots Belgarath added to HOL recently?

02 February 2007, 11:09	#10
Paul RIP Friends Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 2,157	As this is not a WinUAE bug.....thread moved to prb.games

19 October 2021, 21:59	#12
amigappc Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Universe Age: 47 Posts: 206	15 years later, I say "f..k Facebook, long live forums!" I have exact the same problem playing the game form HD install (not WHDLOAD) on real Amiga 1200. Searching on Google I found this thread, and I will try your solution to get the fruit first, than visit the witches. Thank you.

20 October 2021, 15:53	#13
amigappc Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Universe Age: 47 Posts: 206	I confirm this hint works. If you take fruit then scarab, night falls later so you do not stuck when that message appears. Great hint guys!

21 October 2021, 17:36	#14
butfluffy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: In the Hills Posts: 377	reminds of some bugs in bethesda games like fallout 4 etc. there are issues if you don't do some sidequests in a certain order. like events not triggering.

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