Citadel: WHDload

XDelusion · 07 July 2011, 06:06

Here's another game that I've tried various versions of, but have yet to get it to run on either my modified A600 or A1200 via WHDload.

Anyone ever have any success getting it to run? I used to love playing this on my old 500, even if I did have to size down the screen and turn most the graphical details off. Would be great to play this again now that I have the hardware to handle it in it's full Wolfenstein-esque glory.

s2325 · 07 July 2011, 06:16

There is remake of this game for Windows. Game is too slow on A500, A600, speed was not acceptable even in Amiga times.

Twiggy · 07 July 2011, 18:27

I read somewhere that using an older version of WHDload may work.

XDelusion · 09 July 2011, 05:35

I heard there was a Windows port, but I have an 060 and 030 that are just dying to give this a go! Things just are not as fun when done in Windows...

....I wonder why that is?

Anakirob · 12 July 2011, 11:16

060 should give you some pretty decent fullscreen action. I seem to recall I tried this one's WHDLoad install (from KG's pack) shortly after getting my first 030 and it worked ok for me.

Anyway, have you tried all the usual WHDLoad arguments such as NOVBRMOVE, etc.?

Jacques · 12 May 2020, 11:25

Hi Guys, just recently on PPA forum, we've found out that WHDLoad version of Citadel works signifficantly slower (less FPS) than the standard one.
User nostrum666 made comparison videos on his Amiga 1200 equipped with ACA1221 card:

Standard:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Aip...LjaVwAexj/view

WHDLoad:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Am5...HM8B7kEfc/view

He's using WHDLoad 18.2 and made sure nothing suspicious (like NoCache) is set in WHDLoad Citadel's icon tooltypes, nor WHDLoad.prefs.
The installer itself is quite old, dated 2012, though: http://www.whdload.de/games/Citadel.html

Any clue why there's so dramatic difference in performance?

AMike · 12 May 2020, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacques

Any clue why there's so dramatic difference in performance?

Has he tried to activate "cache" in the tooltypes? This speeds up most of the 3d shooter.

nostrum666 · 12 May 2020, 16:11

No, I hadn't. I'll try it.

Jacques · 13 May 2020, 19:57

Apparently "cache" in the tooltype made no difference, from what I got to know.

NeoHippie2016 · 13 May 2020, 20:01

Yes, i know, the speed of this game as WHDLoad installed is slow. Maybe open a report on Mantis Bug Tracker?

Jacques · 14 May 2020, 08:18

I see someone created Citadela report already, but the description really confuses me:
http://mantis.whdload.de/view.php?id=4654

There's no problem to run WHDLoad version of Citadela on 68000 or 68020, there's problem it runs visibly slow on 68020+ when compared with running it from diskettes.
I don't have account there, but could someone please add a comment in Mantis about the issue we're talking here, please?

viddi · 14 May 2020, 09:01

Tried real disks yesterday on my Amiga 1200 Vampire (!).
It´s still slow as hell.
Must be something else imo...

Jacques · 14 May 2020, 09:18

But it's even slower on WhdLoad then, I think, as 2 users reported same issue (+videos above).

rabidgerry · 15 May 2020, 13:05

I have an ACA1233n-40 for my Amiga 1200 and I also think the game should be a lot quicker with that accelerator card. I thought it was perhaps because I was used to playing the windows version. I love the game but cannot play it at that speed. Have not tried this "cache" in tool types. How should I try this to see it makes any difference for me?

Solo Kazuki · 15 May 2020, 13:15

HD installer for Citadel/Cytadela exists so You should try this version.
But i know it's not as easy in use as WHDLoad version and may have problems with working on better configs.

But it's true that WHDLoad version should be fixed. I suppose this version is too much degraded to use better configs.

rabidgerry · 15 May 2020, 13:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solo Kazuki

HD installer for Citadel/Cytadela exists so You should try this version.
But i know it's not as easy in use as WHDLoad version and may have problems with working on better configs.

But it's true that WHDLoad version should be fixed. I suppose this version is too much degraded to use better configs.

I do not have disks for the game though, the HD Installer requires the disks yes?

rabidgerry · 15 May 2020, 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMike

Has he tried to activate "cache" in the tooltypes? This speeds up most of the 3d shooter.

How do I try this?

Jacques · 15 May 2020, 19:51

Two Guys from PPA forum tried it, but it made no difference. Isn't "Cache" active by default anyway and only "NoCache" disables it?

rabidgerry · 15 May 2020, 23:04

I dunno, I'm just keen to try anythin to improve the game on my actual Amiga. Do I need the disks then to do a hd install?

Solo Kazuki · 15 May 2020, 23:32

Isn't available pre-installed version on Grandis?

07 July 2011, 06:06	#1
XDelusion Alien Breeder Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 276	Citadel: WHDload Here's another game that I've tried various versions of, but have yet to get it to run on either my modified A600 or A1200 via WHDload. Anyone ever have any success getting it to run? I used to love playing this on my old 500, even if I did have to size down the screen and turn most the graphical details off. Would be great to play this again now that I have the hardware to handle it in it's full Wolfenstein-esque glory.

14 May 2020, 08:18	#11
Jacques Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 202	I see someone created Citadela report already, but the description really confuses me: http://mantis.whdload.de/view.php?id=4654 There's no problem to run WHDLoad version of Citadela on 68000 or 68020, there's problem it runs visibly slow on 68020+ when compared with running it from diskettes. I don't have account there, but could someone please add a comment in Mantis about the issue we're talking here, please? Last edited by Jacques; 14 May 2020 at 08:35.

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07 July 2011, 06:16	#2
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	There is remake of this game for Windows. Game is too slow on A500, A600, speed was not acceptable even in Amiga times.

07 July 2011, 18:27	#3
Twiggy \m/ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Devon, U.K. Posts: 573	I read somewhere that using an older version of WHDload may work.

09 July 2011, 05:35	#4
XDelusion Alien Breeder Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 276	I heard there was a Windows port, but I have an 060 and 030 that are just dying to give this a go! Things just are not as fun when done in Windows... ....I wonder why that is?

12 July 2011, 11:16	#5
Anakirob Unregistered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tasmania Age: 42 Posts: 893	060 should give you some pretty decent fullscreen action. I seem to recall I tried this one's WHDLoad install (from KG's pack) shortly after getting my first 030 and it worked ok for me. Anyway, have you tried all the usual WHDLoad arguments such as NOVBRMOVE, etc.?

12 May 2020, 11:25	#6
Jacques Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 202	Hi Guys, just recently on PPA forum, we've found out that WHDLoad version of Citadel works signifficantly slower (less FPS) than the standard one. User nostrum666 made comparison videos on his Amiga 1200 equipped with ACA1221 card: Standard: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Aip...LjaVwAexj/view WHDLoad: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Am5...HM8B7kEfc/view He's using WHDLoad 18.2 and made sure nothing suspicious (like NoCache) is set in WHDLoad Citadel's icon tooltypes, nor WHDLoad.prefs. The installer itself is quite old, dated 2012, though: http://www.whdload.de/games/Citadel.html Any clue why there's so dramatic difference in performance?

12 May 2020, 16:11	#8
nostrum666 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Korzonek Posts: 1	No, I hadn't. I'll try it.

13 May 2020, 19:57	#9
Jacques Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 202	Apparently "cache" in the tooltype made no difference, from what I got to know.

13 May 2020, 20:01	#10
NeoHippie2016 Freak Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Gladbeck Age: 47 Posts: 580	Yes, i know, the speed of this game as WHDLoad installed is slow. Maybe open a report on Mantis Bug Tracker?

14 May 2020, 09:01	#12
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007	Tried real disks yesterday on my Amiga 1200 Vampire (!). It´s still slow as hell. Must be something else imo...

14 May 2020, 09:18	#13
Jacques Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 202	But it's even slower on WhdLoad then, I think, as 2 users reported same issue (+videos above).

15 May 2020, 13:05	#14
rabidgerry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Belfast Posts: 1,526	I have an ACA1233n-40 for my Amiga 1200 and I also think the game should be a lot quicker with that accelerator card. I thought it was perhaps because I was used to playing the windows version. I love the game but cannot play it at that speed. Have not tried this "cache" in tool types. How should I try this to see it makes any difference for me?

15 May 2020, 13:15	#15
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,302	HD installer for Citadel/Cytadela exists so You should try this version. But i know it's not as easy in use as WHDLoad version and may have problems with working on better configs. But it's true that WHDLoad version should be fixed. I suppose this version is too much degraded to use better configs.

15 May 2020, 19:51	#18
Jacques Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 202	Two Guys from PPA forum tried it, but it made no difference. Isn't "Cache" active by default anyway and only "NoCache" disables it?

15 May 2020, 23:04	#19
rabidgerry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Belfast Posts: 1,526	I dunno, I'm just keen to try anythin to improve the game on my actual Amiga. Do I need the disks then to do a hd install?

15 May 2020, 23:32	#20
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 1,302	Isn't available pre-installed version on Grandis?

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