Who were the best developers and where did they come from?

[vitux]

Originally Posted by fishyfish

Sorry, but Ive never understood the obsession some people have with someone's nationality. Patriotism is an evil concept that only serves to promote separation. Peoples nationality is dictated by......

The issue of nationalities,I NOT initiated. Please, View entire thread, started other.
Then. for what reason I can not quote Spanish production and quality?
why the "patriot" attacking me?
However, it is a utopia. The nationalities exist and finally each one takes for his side ( (except the Spanish, my compatriot is an example)

[Predseda]

Nobody mentioned Skull Army?

[vitux]

Originally Posted by Astrofra

Good 8bits titles made in France ? Oh oui
MGT, Bactron, Get Dexter, Sapiens (5000 BC?), Infernal Runner (Eric Chahi), Crazy Cars, Macadam Bumper, Bubble Ghost, Captain Blood ...

I do not want to bother the French and Germans. I know very well that there are great 16 bits games performed here. Unreal, Another World, Jim Power, Turrican, Protenis Tour 2.... I love

[vitux]

Originally Posted by SyX

Well, then we can say, that you don't lie, but you don't have a lot of idea.
Of course, Turrican I & II,

The 8-bit Turrican were ported by Probe Soft and Enigma Variations for zx Spectrum, both British.

[vitux]

Originally Posted by SyX

Well, then we can say, that you don't lie, but you don't have a lot of idea.

PD: You can find me this weekend in Retro Madrid defending the spanish software and buying books and new software and we can have a nice talk.

I still say that in 8 bits, especially ZX Spectrum,(the most sold in Europe) from about 84-91, Spain was the most productive, with many quality titles (a long distance from UK, logically)
there also some decent game Spanish 16 bits. Risky Woods, AMC, Vital Light,

Sure, in Japan also was Nintendo, Sega or X68000.
In USA, yes, plus the Atari was the C64, but the C64 games, most known and most were made in Europe.

Not true. Now is not the golden age. Except some exceptions like "Genesis: dawn of a new day" or "Carlos Michelis, yes and some more" the rest are crappy games or written in BASIC and is not comparable to the 80 professional quality and quantity.

I rather think that is hate-envy the success of others trying to destroy what harm this country, something very common here.

Madrid too far( not all live in Madrid) away and I have nothing to talk to you.

[Mrs Beanbag]

On the USA 8-bit side consider also Mattel Intellivision, some great games on that.

[desiv]

Originally Posted by Mrs Beanbag

On the USA 8-bit side consider also Mattel Intellivision, some great games on that.

You mean 16-bit side there...

desiv

[SyX]

Originally Posted by vitux

The 8-bit Turrican were ported by Probe Soft and Enigma Variations for zx Spectrum, both British.

First only Europe, now only speccy games (when everybody knows that speaking of Turrican in 8 bits is speaking of the C64 version), the next must be games made for people of your street

Originally Posted by vitux

Not true. Now is not the golden age. Except some exceptions like "Genesis: dawn of a new day" or "Carlos Michelis, yes and some more" the rest are crappy games or written in BASIC and is not comparable to the 80 professional quality and quantity.

Who is talking of 8 bits homebrew games (although the last games of Retro Works are at least so good than the best spanish games during the 80s and it's coded for ex-New Frontier people)? I'm talking that the actual spanish videogame industry is living nowdays the real golden years.

And in no moment i have said the spanish 8 bits games are shit; during the 80s, Spain had a meritorious third/fourth place (before/after Germany is only an opinion), after UK and France in Europe.

Originally Posted by vitux

I rather think that is hate-envy the success of others trying to destroy what harm this country, something very common here.

Madrid too far( not all live in Madrid) away and I have nothing to talk to you.

Because my opinion is different at yours, i'm an anti-patriotic or part of the spanish black legend, you are joke. But don't worry, i will not disturb you more, it's a waste of time.

[vitux]

Originally Posted by SyX

But don't worry, i will not disturb you more, it's a waste of time.

Compatriot, the spectrum was the biggest seller by far and therefore is where you can best get references.

Well again I think that the second market.

Same thing, still not golden age. A few small studies that sell the product to giant foreign companies.

At last, Hallelujah.

[gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by fishyfish

Occasionally a particular group will be good developers for a certain machine, but this says nothing other than the fact theyre a good development team, who could be from anywhere. What they develop speaks only of the individuals abilities and nothing of their nationality.

Well, I don't know if you don't reduce games too much to their technicalities. Wouldn't you say that French cinema is slightly different from Hollywood, for example? Of course, I see we're on a slippery slope there, risking to enforce stereotypes with feigned arguments.

If somebody would go and say that their [generic stuff] is better than any other [generic stuff] because it is theirs, that is patriotic and pretty much pathetic. No doubt about that.

[fishyfish]

@lordofchaos

Heh, 2nd time Ive paraphrased Bill Hicks in recent times, and both times I've had people respond, knowing where its come from. Nice to see he's still well known/regarded.

@Vitux

I was responding to the theme of the thread, not you
Reading it back now however and I mightve been a bit off the mark. First time around it seemed somewhat rampant with the patriotism, but reading it back now it seems more just on topic with the thread than excessively patriotic.

[vitux]

Originally Posted by fishyfish

@Vitux

I was responding to the theme of the thread, not you
Reading it back now however and I mightve been a bit off the mark. First time around it seemed somewhat rampant with the patriotism, but reading it back now it seems more just on topic with the thread than excessively patriotic.

Thank you. You are the one who understands me here
Viva Beam Software!
Viva El Hobbit!
Viva Exploding Fist!

[Mrs Beanbag]

Originally Posted by desiv

You mean 16-bit side there...

desiv

I knew that

But, you know, the 8-bit era...

[Hewitson]

Originally Posted by trydowave

I can't remember if Probe we're any good. They made Golden Axe and Outrun Europa which I really liked but I think they created the abomination that was Turtles the Arcade game. Possibly the worst conversion in gaming history.

It was a disgraceful conversion, but definitely not the worst. The worst conversions in gaming history are possibly Street Fighter 2 and Final Fight on the C64. Check them out, they are hilarious.

[MrX_Cuci]

Housemarque / Bloodhouse / Terramarque (all the same company)Graphics wise they delivered superb games. Elfmania, Stardust, even the later games in the DOS / Windows period are superb. Check out The Reap for instance.

[Hillsy_]

Originally Posted by MrX_Cuci

Housemarque / Bloodhouse / Terramarque (all the same company)Graphics wise they delivered superb games. Elfmania, Stardust, even the later games in the DOS / Windows period are superb. Check out The Reap for instance.

They did Super Stardust HD & Dead Nation too on the current gen consoles. Stardust was simple, but great.

[s2325]

Retro Gamer 122 should have info about developing Chaos Engine.

[Codetapper]

The only thing I want to see in Retro Gamer 122 is a follow up with Mark Cale, where someone at RG asks the question "why can't you release it as an ADF?"

[sokolovic]

Technically, i'd say that the best developpers were : Factor 5, Thalion and Neon/Keiko => all germans !

I'd also put Bullfrog, DMA design, Digitall Illusion, Housemarque, Magnetic Fields, Sensible Software (not technically but for the quality of their games).

[lordofchaos]

How do we quantify "The Best"?