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Old 24 March 2018, 11:29   #61
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What does "suppressing the binary" means? You can get the nightly builds for every architecture from the AROS website. You don't have to pay a dime for it.
So you clam that because AROS is FOSS every derivative work must be FOSS as well, othewise it's a scam? Is MorphOS is a scam as well, since uses AROS components and yet they "gouge money"?
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Old 24 March 2018, 11:41   #62
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Ah, I see, AROS itself is still free, this Icaros is just a bundle of AROS + lots of other people's programs.

I assume the AROS licence allows that, but I doubt all the games etc. which are part of it were licenced for commercial exploitation.

And yet the site still claims "Icaros Desktop is a free operating system and won’t ask you for money."

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Old 24 March 2018, 11:48   #63
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You are constantly moving the goalpost. You started with "it's not FOSS", then went on to "suppressing the binary", and now this Most open source licenses explicitly allow commercial use, you can also sell shareware/freeware with the author's permission. Feel free to go through the software bundled in Icaros Desktop, and let us know if there's any "commercial exploitation" going on, so Paolone can remove it.
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Old 24 March 2018, 12:02   #64
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>Most open source licenses explicitly allow commercial use

Well, this is the main reason I don't use the GPL for any of my programs. If someone was profiting off my work like that I'd be mad as hell.

>Feel free to go through the software bundled in Icaros Desktop, and let us know if there's any "commercial exploitation" going on, so Paolone can remove it.

I can't see any list there of what is bundled, and am not paying $15 to find out. But judging by the screenshots page http://vmwaros.blogspot.com.au/p/screenshots.html there are parts of OS3.9 such as IconEdit.
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Old 25 March 2018, 11:41   #65
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But judging by the screenshots page http://vmwaros.blogspot.com.au/p/screenshots.html there are parts of OS3.9 such as IconEdit..

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Old 25 March 2018, 14:59   #66
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I see VMWare Player is clearly marked "Non-commercial use only" in that screenshot.
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Old 25 March 2018, 18:03   #67
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I don't get it. You can download Icaros Desktop 2.2.1 for free: here

The Release candidate for Version 2.2.2 is only available as an incentive to patrons. And of course to beta-testers who, I might think, get it for free.

So if you're neither a patron, nor a beta-tester, just wait for the official release.

Where's the problem again?
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Old 25 March 2018, 22:02   #68
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Just because an older version is still available for free, that doesn't give them the right to sell these programs in their new version.
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Old 25 March 2018, 22:27   #69
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They're not selling it and I think you know that.
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Of course they are selling it, just because they say "supporters" instead of "customers" doesn't change anything.
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Old 26 March 2018, 09:00   #71
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I see VMWare Player is clearly marked "Non-commercial use only" in that screenshot.
That's my screenshot of an old version of VMWare Player 6 Freeware posted only to show you that there is no OS3 operating system on Icaros
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Of course they are selling it, just because they say "supporters" instead of "customers" doesn't change anything.
Why do you care? You don't even like AROS.
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Old 29 March 2018, 13:23   #73
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Wow! So:

* Icaros is including AmigaOS 3.9 programs like IconEdit
* Icaros is a commercial OS
* .. built by a company with a non-commerical license of VMWare (based on a separate user's screenshot)
* Icaros is illegally selling other people's software
* You need to pay $15 to find out what's in Icaros
* FOSS projects aren't allowed to accept donations
* FOSS projects must supply daily binaries of unfinished work or they are "suppressing them" (can't expect open-source enthusiasts who want to trial alpha/beta softare to compile it themselves!!!!!111)

Keep it coming minuous, this is comedy gold.
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Old 30 March 2018, 05:13   #74
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@terminills:

Just because it's not something I personally use doesn't mean I shouldn't care at all, that would be a very self-centred way of thinking.

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>FOSS projects aren't allowed to accept donations

When did I ever say that!?

>Icaros is a commercial OS

Indeed. I don't see how this is a controversial point. "If you give us money we will let you have this product" is how selling works.

>FOSS projects must supply daily binaries of unfinished work or they are "suppressing them" (can't expect open-source enthusiasts who want to trial alpha/beta softare to compile it themselves!!!!!111)

AFAICT only binaries are available from the site; there doesn't seem to be source available for any version of Icaros. Therefore it can't be compiled by end users.

>Icaros is including AmigaOS 3.9 programs like IconEdit

It's a reasonable assumption to make that the screenshots of Icaros are showing what's in Icaros; if someone paid money for it on the assumption that these things were included and then found out that they weren't they would feel conned.

>You need to pay $15 to find out what's in Icaros

That does seem to be the case, for the new version, since the screenshots apparently bear no relation to what is actually in the package. I had a look at the manual, it mentions a couple of programs but there is certainly no complete list in there.
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... i think i should try to install this on my Vampired Amiga !
... will this work ?
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No IcarOS it's a Distro X86 (PC Windows), you can instead install AROS 68k, look at my video, the Vampire in my opinion it has little power to make it turn, on WinUAE runs perfectly

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... ahh ... ok ... now i see !
(have mistake some things)
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What would I do wrong?
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