Arnie 2 Keeps randomly freezing with adf. - Page 2

Toni Wilen · 02 December 2016, 19:16

Ok, then it is guaranteed it depends what player does or what enemies do..

DamienD · 02 December 2016, 19:21

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Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Ok, then it is guaranteed it depends what player does or what enemies do..

Yeah sure, but just going what you're supposed to be doing in this game i.e. walking throughout the level, shooting / killing bad guys etc...

DamienD · 02 December 2016, 19:40

Ok, just tested with WinUAE v2.8.0 and it crashed also

...but good news; I think I know what's crashing this.

When testing I've been using "Keyboard Layout B". If I press <up arrow> then <down arrow> very quickly; freeze. Can replicate everytime

Edit: same thing happens if pressing <left arrow> then <right arrow> very quickly...

s2325 · 02 December 2016, 19:48

useless trivia: you can crash Doom 1 & 2 if you hold up or down in menus

Belgarath · 02 December 2016, 20:00

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Originally Posted by DamienD

Ok, just tested with WinUAE v2.8.0 and it crashed also

...but good news; I think I know what's crashing this.

When testing I've been using "Keyboard Layout B". If I press <up arrow> then <down arrow> very quickly; freeze. Can replicate everytime

Edit: same thing happens if pressing <left arrow> then <right arrow> very quickly...

Doesn't happen here at all. version I'm using is Arnie 2 (1993)(Zeppelin)[cr TRSI][t +22 GOD] CRC:70E4BD1E

DamienD · 02 December 2016, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Belgarath

Doesn't happen here at all. version I'm using is Arnie 2 (1993)(Zeppelin)[cr TRSI][t +22 GOD] CRC:70E4BD1E

I've tested all cracks Belgo; happens for me and ransom1122 with this .ADF also

Plus it happens with the .IPF and Arnie has reported it happening very soon into the game.

To be sure, just tested again using "Arnie 2 (1993)(Zeppelin)[cr TRSI][t +22 GOD].adf CRC:70E4BD1E". As soon as I change direction too quickly; freeze / guru

Anything special in your config?

Belgarath · 02 December 2016, 20:12

Trying to work it out now, it didn't freeze when CE was off, as soon as I turned CE on it froze after doing the cursor key waggle. But as already mentioned the game runs too fast if CE isn't on..

DamienD · 02 December 2016, 20:17

This surely doesn't happen on a real Amiga; well, I could be wrong.

It may just be a buggy game

Can anyone with a real A500 test? Just move your joystick quickly either "up / down" or "left / right" and see if it crashes / gurus...

Belgarath · 02 December 2016, 20:27

Well I think I've got it working on WinUAE...

Works with an A1200 config...or even an A500 config but with a 68020 cpu..

I've not tried it for long but it no longer crashes when doing the up/down left/right

Toni Wilen · 02 December 2016, 20:27

You may need modified joystick, it is possible game only gets confused if up/down state changes and also both up and down are active at the same time. This state is normally impossible when using any physical joystick or dpad.

Belgarath · 02 December 2016, 20:36

just played through entire first level, no freezing with a 68020 cpu selected.

DamienD · 02 December 2016, 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

You may need modified joystick, it is possible game only gets confused if up/down state changes and also both up and down are active at the same time. This state is normally impossible when using any physical joystick or dpad.

Ok, just plugged in my Xbox 360 wireless controllers...

...no matter how hard or how much I jerk / waggle my joystick / d-pad it will not freeze / crash

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Originally Posted by Belgarath

just played through entire first level, no freezing with a 68020 cpu selected.

Yeah all good Belgo but...

a) using the .IPF it won't load with a 68020 CPU selected.
b) using any of the cracks, it may not crash when waggling but there are obvious graphics issues when changing direction.

I guess if you want to play this game in WinUAE without freezing / crashes then you need to use a proper joystick and not keyboard emulation

Belgarath · 02 December 2016, 20:53

ipf does work with 68020 but not with CE on, the graphics issues I was getting sporadically regardless of config.

Just need to confirm ransom was using keyboard controls when it was crashing for him.

Horrendous game anyway, not worth the trouble

DamienD · 02 December 2016, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Belgarath

ipf does work with 68020 but not with CE on

...but as has been noted, you need "Cycle Exact" on or the game runs way too fast. I'd imagine, especially if using a 68020 CPU.

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Originally Posted by Belgarath

the graphics issues I was getting sporadically regardless of config.

No graphics issues here if using a standard OCS or ECS Agnus A500 configuration

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belgarath

Just need to confirm ransom was using keyboard controls when it was crashing for him.

Yeah; I'd assume he was and waggling too fast

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Originally Posted by Belgarath

Horrendous game anyway, not worth the trouble

Yup, totally agree

...wasted way too much time on this trying to figure out what's causing the issue

ransom1122 · 02 December 2016, 21:47

Yes I was using keyboard controls. What is the result? I can't play with keyboard?

DamienD · 02 December 2016, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122

Yes I was using keyboard controls. What is the result? I can't play with keyboard?

You can but if you waggle too fast i.e. press "<up arrow> then <down arrow>" or "<left arrow> then <right arrow>" too quickly it will crash in WinUAE...

...so no jerky movements when using keyboard as joystick emulation.

ransom1122 · 02 December 2016, 22:12

It is a tough game to play without jerking too fast

Its like playing for example quik n silva but slowly. Impossible? Some games are designed to play with quick jerking as they can get so frantic at times.

After I test this game on my real a500 & gotek I will see if it freezes.

So game must be buggy and keyboard control is Impossible? Correct??

DrBong · 02 December 2016, 22:22

Good detective work guys!

Out of curiosity, has anyone tested the WHDLoad version of Arnie 2 and found the same problems (incl. the graphical glitches) under emulation and/or real hardware?

DamienD · 02 December 2016, 22:23

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Originally Posted by ransom1122

After I test this game on my real a500 & gotek I will see if it freezes.

So game must be buggy and keyboard control is Impossible? Correct??

As Toni has mentioned this cannot happen on a real Amiga.

...and if using a joystick as opposed to keyboard it won't happen in WinUAE either. I've tested that using my Xbox 360 wireless controllers and no matter how hard I wiggle / jerk the game won't freeze / crash

ransom1122 · 02 December 2016, 22:46

Game works ok on real Amiga even with furious jerking.

Whdload on PC seems to work with jerking. But 1. Its too fast 2. Gfx glitches on main character.

While using a USB Joystick with winuae with Cycle Exact. Game works fine no gfx glitching. Speed is ok. And I can jerk all night long.

So looks like a definite keyboard issue with winuae. While a usb joystick is working if i change control back to keyboard it freezes. Not sure if this is something Toni can fix?

02 December 2016, 19:40	#23
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Ok, just tested with WinUAE v2.8.0 and it crashed also ...but good news; I think I know what's crashing this. When testing I've been using "Keyboard Layout B". If I press <up arrow> then <down arrow> very quickly; freeze. Can replicate everytime Edit: same thing happens if pressing <left arrow> then <right arrow> very quickly... Last edited by DamienD; 02 December 2016 at 19:47.

02 December 2016, 22:22	#38
DrBong HOL / AMR Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 2,632	Good detective work guys! Out of curiosity, has anyone tested the WHDLoad version of Arnie 2 and found the same problems (incl. the graphical glitches) under emulation and/or real hardware? Last edited by DrBong; 02 December 2016 at 22:38.

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02 December 2016, 19:16	#21
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Ok, then it is guaranteed it depends what player does or what enemies do..

02 December 2016, 19:48	#24
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	useless trivia: you can crash Doom 1 & 2 if you hold up or down in menus

02 December 2016, 20:12	#27
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,513	Trying to work it out now, it didn't freeze when CE was off, as soon as I turned CE on it froze after doing the cursor key waggle. But as already mentioned the game runs too fast if CE isn't on..

02 December 2016, 20:17	#28
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	This surely doesn't happen on a real Amiga; well, I could be wrong. It may just be a buggy game Can anyone with a real A500 test? Just move your joystick quickly either "up / down" or "left / right" and see if it crashes / gurus...

02 December 2016, 20:27	#29
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,513	Well I think I've got it working on WinUAE... Works with an A1200 config...or even an A500 config but with a 68020 cpu.. I've not tried it for long but it no longer crashes when doing the up/down left/right

02 December 2016, 20:36	#31
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,513	just played through entire first level, no freezing with a 68020 cpu selected.

02 December 2016, 20:53	#33
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,513	ipf does work with 68020 but not with CE on, the graphics issues I was getting sporadically regardless of config. Just need to confirm ransom was using keyboard controls when it was crashing for him. Horrendous game anyway, not worth the trouble

02 December 2016, 21:47	#35
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,813	Yes I was using keyboard controls. What is the result? I can't play with keyboard?

02 December 2016, 22:12	#37
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,813	It is a tough game to play without jerking too fast Its like playing for example quik n silva but slowly. Impossible? Some games are designed to play with quick jerking as they can get so frantic at times. After I test this game on my real a500 & gotek I will see if it freezes. So game must be buggy and keyboard control is Impossible? Correct??

02 December 2016, 22:46	#40
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,813	Game works ok on real Amiga even with furious jerking. Whdload on PC seems to work with jerking. But 1. Its too fast 2. Gfx glitches on main character. While using a USB Joystick with winuae with Cycle Exact. Game works fine no gfx glitching. Speed is ok. And I can jerk all night long. So looks like a definite keyboard issue with winuae. While a usb joystick is working if i change control back to keyboard it freezes. Not sure if this is something Toni can fix?

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